What is Daniel's overspreading of abominations that makes desolate from the beginning of the Kingdom of God that came to earth with Christ until the end of time when Christ shall come again?
Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.
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What is Daniel's overspreading of abominations that makes desolate from the beginning of the Kingdom of God that came to earth with Christ until the end of time when Christ shall come again?
Which is why I fight against this man-made doctrine called Preterism.
David in NJ
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David in NJ
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How many weeks did GOD Say was determined to:
To finish the transgression,
To make an end of sins,
To make reconciliation for iniquity,
To bring in everlasting righteousness,
To seal up vision and prophecy,
And to anoint the Most Holy.
Let me clear up something here Truth7t7. Yes, I do believe great tribulation Christ said His church must endure as they/we proclaim the Gospel of the Kingdom of God through Christ unto all the nations of the world began when Christ came to earth with the Kingdom of God. But that does not mean that the church of Old did not have great tribulation for their faithfulness to God also. The difference is that great tribulation that comes through faith before Christ was directed to the faithful in the congregation of Old Covenant Israel, but now great tribulation is to faithful saints throughout the whole world, or wherever the faithful church is found.
`God (the Father)....may send Jesus Christ, who was preached to you before, whom heaven must receive until the times of restoration of all things, of which God has spoken by the mouth of all His holy ptophets since the world began.` (Acts 3: 20 & 21)
The very first event of the times of restoration is the Lord with His body enthroned on His own throne in the highest.
`To him who overcomes I will grant to sit with me on my throne..` (Rev. 3: 21)
Note the `all things` begins with visible rulership in the highest. The Lord made rulership positions for Himself. he gave man and an angel opportunity to reveal their inability to rule righteously
`For by Him all things were created whether thrones.... for Him.` (Col. 1: 16)
Jesus revealed that fact in His word.
`God (the Father)....may send Jesus Christ, who was preached to you before, whom heaven must receive until the times of restoration of all things, of which God has spoken by the mouth of all His holy ptophets since the world began.` (Acts 3: 20 & 21)
The very first event of the times of restoration is the Lord with His body enthroned on His own throne in the highest.
`To him who overcomes I will grant to sit with me on my throne..` (Rev. 3: 21)
Note the `all things` begins with visible rulership in the highest. The Lord made rulership positions for Himself. he gave man and an angel opportunity to reveal their inability to rule righteously
`For by Him all things were created whether thrones.... for Him.` (Col. 1: 16)
That's because I know what the Bible says Daniel's AOD represents. You, OTOH appear to be clueless about what Daniel meant.
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Scripture interprets itself, and the abomination that makes desolate will be placed/set up by evil human hands in the sanctuary in the most strongholds, they will worship and promote this false god with gold, silver, precious stones and pleasant things and "Set Up" strongly suggest a statue/figure representing this false god , and it has absolutely nothing to do with your claim above taking place over a 2,000 year period and waiting as the scripture in context below clearly shows
RWB your claim is completely blown out of the water as the scripture below "Clearly Shows" in context, will you continue your teachings after you've been clearly shown?
They will (place/set up) the abomination that maketh desolate, before your eyes, clear, simple, easy to understand
Daniel 9:27KJV
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
Daniel 11:31 & 38-39KJV
31 And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate.
38 But in his estate shall he honour the God of forces: and a god whom his fathers knew not shall he honour with gold, and silver, and with precious stones, and pleasant things.
39 Thus shall he do in the most strong holds with a strange god, whom he shall acknowledge and increase with glory: and he shall cause them to rule over many, and shall divide the land for gain.
Daniel 12:11KJ
11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.
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Repeating the prophetic words of Daniel without understanding the meaning of AOD is a waste of time. It is written "(whoso readeth, let him understand"). You read but still appear to be without understanding for what Daniel's AOD is!
Where can we read the AOD Daniel writes of "will be placed by evil human hands in the sanctuary"?
Great tribulation is not a single event; it comes to faithful saints in different ways at different times throughout the ages beginning when Christ came to earth with the Kingdom of God. When days of great tribulation come to faithful saints of Christ, it is cut short otherwise none of the elect of God would be left alive to build the Kingdom of God in heaven as the Gospel is proclaimed. IOW great tribulation comes to a faithful disciple of Christ, but through the power of God the days of any great tribulation shall be shortened and not endure forever.
Matthew 24:22 (KJV) And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
I would think the third woe is Satan's coming down to earth in Revelation 13:12.
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Thank you for those beautiful scripture verses.
However, there is no pre-trib rapture mentioned in any of them.
#1 TRUTH and 7 Reasons why the Church/Body of Christ goes thru the Great Tribulation = JESUS Said we must.
John 16:33
"These things I have spoken to you, that in Me you may have peace. In the world you will have tribulation; but be of good cheer, I have overcome the world.”
Pay full attention to what the LORD desires for His Bride:
a.) Stay with your Husband = "In ME you have Peace"
b.) "I have Overcome the world"
The LORD always Speaks Truth and here in John 16:33 JESUS is laying the foundation for the Great Tribulation that His Bride must go thru. For CHRIST calls for us to resist evil and to Overcome satan even as HE Overcame = Revelation
Rev 2:7 - “He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.
To him who overcomes I will give to eat from the tree of life, which is in the midst of the Paradise of God.” ’
Rev 2:11 - “He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.
He who overcomes shall not be hurt by the second death.” ’
Rev 2:17 - “He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.
To him who overcomes I will give some of the hidden manna to eat. And I will give him a white stone, and on the stone a new name written which no one knows except him who receives it.”
Rev 2:26-29 And he who overcomes, and keeps My works until the end, to him I will give power over the nations—
‘He shall rule them with a rod of iron;
They shall be dashed to pieces like the potter’s vessels’—
as I also have received from My Father; and I will give him the morning star.
“He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.” ’
Rev 3:5-6 "He who overcomes shall be clothed in white garments, and I will not blot out his name from the Book of Life;
but I will confess his name before My Father and before His angels."
“He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.”
Rev 3:11-13 "Behold, I am coming quickly! Hold fast what you have, that no one may take your crown.
He who overcomes, I will make him a pillar in the temple of My God, and he shall go out no more. I will write on him the name of My God and the name of the city of My God, the New Jerusalem, which comes down out of heaven from My God. And I will write on him My new name.
“He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.” ’
Rev 3:20-22 "Behold, I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and dine with him, and he with Me.
To him who overcomes I will grant to sit with Me on My throne, as I also overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne."
“He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.” ’
Can you "hear" what the SPIRIT is Saying.........You need to in order to be an Overcomer just as JESUS Overcame
SHALOM in the Truth
David in NJ
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May we all come together in submitting unto the Lord Jesus Christ and the Holy Scriptures in:
"fighting against man-made doctrines"
We are Saved by His Grace and we are to live under Grace and Truth showing Love and Mercy.
i have not "arrived" but am still learning and seeking to abide in Christ = some days better then others = John 15:4
Abide in Me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.
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