Brunei

[bbyrd009]

I had never heard of that word, so I typed it in to google, so many things come up about it- but I am not sure I really got what it was !!! Lol
Are you addressing my son , not sure I understand what pit he is digging for others - sorry I am bit confused ( doesn't take much !! )
Rita

Ah, forgot that homosexual believers...appropriated that one already, sorry.

I mean homospiritual in the possibly Scriptural sense, taking prophets gone a'whoring--who surely were not being condemned for going in to actual prostitutes--into consideration...um, like someone maybe cloistered so to speak among those who share a certain set of beliefs--who has been separated from the flock iow, although the flock definition will of course vary there too, but the point is someone who is restricted to gathering their spiritual knowledge from one "tree" or even "well" I guess, rather than stay in one house while you a there and eat what they feed you, perhaps

 

[Butterfly]

Well that's as clear as mud to me - sorry, need to think about what you have said , but just not sure it's not going way over my head !! Lol
Rita

 

[Taken]

Well it wasn't really about the celebrities, they were just mentioned in the news report, I don't follow them either.

Celebrities were mentioned, and I commented to that point.

So can I take it that you would never boycot anything , even if it was in defence of something you felt strongly about ?

You can take that as I expressed. If there is A Company or Person I deside I do not want to do business with, for the reason I decide, I don't do business with them, but I don't feel the need to influence others to not do business with them.

So, just out of interest , and this is off topic. Would you ever go on strike over anything ?

No. Only once was I involved with a union that was advocating a strike, and I elected to
Quit the union and not support their position.

Did you agree with the recent government shut down over in the US - that cost a lot of people money didn't it , but it was for a cause.
Rita

I have no problem with a government shut-down.

And who are these people that you mention, a shut down cost them?

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Butterfly]

And who are these people that you mention, a shut down cost them?

Glory to God,
Taken

Thanks for your responses x
Didn't people go without their income ?

 

[Taken]

Thanks for your responses x
Didn't people go without their income ?

No. They were furloughed. Off work with pay.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Butterfly]

No. They were furloughed. Off work with pay.

Glory to God,
Taken

Yes, but they still went without money while it was on lockdown - many struggled while it happened, so many had to go without because of the decision.
Rita

 

[Taken]

Yes, but they still went without money

You agree Yes, they were paid...
"But" you then disagree and say they were not paid...???

You do not make sense.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Butterfly]

You agree Yes, they were paid...
"But" you then disagree and say they were not paid...???

You do not make sense.

Glory to God,
Taken

I should have said ' they went without while there was a shutdown ' they would not get paid until the lockdown was lifted. I understand it went on for some time - they still had rent, food to buy, and bills to pay, without their wages , some would have gone without during the lockdown.

 

[Taken]

I should have said ' they went without while there was a shutdown ' they would not get paid until the lockdown was lifted. I understand it went on for some time - they still had rent, food to buy, and bills to pay, without their wages , some would have gone without during the lockdown.

I got that from your first comment, and told you, they are on furlough, (which means do not GO TO WORK, and they DO GET PAID.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[marks]

I found it interesting to read the article about Gearoge Cloony, Elton John, and the UN backing a boycotte of hotels owned by the country. I wondered how and where you stand with regards to the issues that have led to this boycotte.
The reason is the laws that have been passed in the country , under sharia law, to hold homosexuals to account and legally be allowed to stone and kill them. To me this is barbaric - but I have seen so many really strong reactions to the homosexual issue on different forums overs the years. One of the leaders in the USA stated that if his son or daughter were gay he would take them out to a lake and ' see if they could swim ' ( actually heard him say that in an interview )
So would you follow the boycotte if you had the money to stay at the wealthy hotels that they own ?
I would , definately without a doubt, and personally I think the leader who stated he would kill his son or daughter ( in a round about way ) should have been held to account for that statement. I understand other people have come out and agreed with him for his comments - do you really think someone deserves to lose their life because of their sexuality ?
This is a question that my son put to me earlier in the week - how would respond to him if he asked you ?
Rita

Hi Rita,

I don't think I would boycott a company due to barbaric beliefs and practices for a few reasons.

One is that I don't see my withholding of my business as a means to change the hearts of those I disagree with.

Another is that I think I would harm innocent parties who rely on the income generated by their evil employers.

Which is right on the heels of the next . . . I believe that there are many such instances of not only state sponsored terrorism, but corporate sponsored recklessness, willingly throwing away people's lives and wellbeing for more cash. Who to even boycott? Bayer? And everything they own? The are the ones perpetuating the whole "round up" fiasco.

And then the main reason of all . . . if there is a place that it makes sense to do business, and there is nothing about being there that trips me into sin, then my presence is an opportunity for God to work through me to serve God's love to those there. And maybe that CAN lead to changed hearts!

Much love!
mark

 

[Butterfly]

I got that from your first comment, and told you, they are on furlough, (which means do not GO TO WORK, and they DO GET PAID.

Glory to God,
Taken

That wasn't what we were seeing or hearing , so I am not sure it

I got that from your first comment, and told you, they are on furlough, (which means do not GO TO WORK, and they DO GET PAID.

Glory to God,
Taken

I understand that federal employees did not get their pay cheques until the lockdown was over. !!!!!!
So, that is what I was basing my comments on. I believe others did get paid ( was it congress that got their pay cheques ! )
Rita

 

[Butterfly]

Hi Rita,

I don't think I would boycott a company due to barbaric beliefs and practices for a few reasons.

One is that I don't see my withholding of my business as a means to change the hearts of those I disagree with.

Another is that I think I would harm innocent parties who rely on the income generated by their evil employers.

Which is right on the heels of the next . . . I believe that there are many such instances of not only state sponsored terrorism, but corporate sponsored recklessness, willingly throwing away people's lives and wellbeing for more cash. Who to even boycott? Bayer? And everything they own? The are the ones perpetuating the whole "round up" fiasco.

And then the main reason of all . . . if there is a place that it makes sense to do business, and there is nothing about being there that trips me into sin, then my presence is an opportunity for God to work through me to serve God's love to those there. And maybe that CAN lead to changed hearts!

Much love!
mark

Thank you so much for addressing my actual questions - much appreciated.I will respond later as I have to go to work and have run out of time now x
Rita

 

[Taken]

That wasn't what we were seeing or hearing , so I am not sure it

I understand that federal employees did not get their pay cheques until the lockdown was over. !!!!!!
So, that is what I was basing my comments on. I believe others did get paid ( was it congress that got their pay cheques ! )
Rita

That wasn't what we were seeing or hearing , so I am not sure it

I understand that federal employees did not get their pay cheques until the lockdown was over. !!!!!!
So, that is what I was basing my comments on. I believe others did get paid ( was it congress that got their pay cheques ! )
Rita

Some employees and elected officials get paid during the shut-down, some get paid when the shut-down is resolved.

The Rules are pre-set, for individual situations. Just as there are Rules for individual Pay-periods, being weekly, monthly, bi-monthly pay-periods.

Some continue to work, during furloughs, some are on pre-scheduled leave, some are in the middle of retiring, some were pre-scheduled for over-time, some accepted unemployment pay, some stayed home without pay, some have direct deposit and a whole host of other individual situations.
All are fully aware, when Congress comes to an impass of agreement, their jobs and schedules may be negatively affected, just as people outside of the Government employ, may regularly lose their jobs due to reduction of force, closing of business, negotiation factors, poor performance, retirement, taking an authorized or unauthorized leave of absence, etc.

It is Congresses JOB to work together and resolve issues, when they don't, they are fully aware of the Presidents options to not be held hostage by Congresses lack of resolving issues, which includes partial or full shut-down of the Government.

Will federal employees receive Pay due them. Yes.
Will all federal employees receive Pay during a Partial Government shut-down?
No.
Are all federal employees aware of their individual status?
Yes.
Do non-federal employees face similar circumstances?
Not exactly.
Typically Releasing a federal Employee from Employment; is far and few between.
Releasing a non-government Employee from Employment; occurs regularly.

Typical Rate of hourly pay between Govt employee and non-Gov't employee including benefits;

High school diploma or less;
...Govt' employee $20.00 more per hour
Some College
....Govt' employee $20.00 more per hour
Bachelors Degree
....Govt' employee $18.00 more per hour
Masters Degree
....Govt' employee $5.00 more per hour
PhD
....Govt' employee $18.00 less per hour

Personally I'm not too broken up about any Govt Employee who has to be off work, wait for their pay, because Congress doesn't do it's Job.

Nor do I believe Govt Employees pay scale should be higher than the average non-Govt employees.
Remember ~ Govt Employees ARE SERVANTS of the People.

And a tid bit...Congressmen have scheduled obligations in DC sessions for about 1/2 a year, compared to an average non-government employee working a full year; AND receive a BASE (beginning Pay, not including the ridiculous PERKS) of 3 Times More of an Average working NON-Govt employee.

Nope, I am not concerned with Govt employees (SERVANTS) poor planning, because they have to WAIT to get paid for not working.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Windmillcharge]

I have different views - I believe Jesus died for the whole of mankind, that's not to say we will not stand before him, and I believe in refiners fire.
I believe God is a fair and just God, where as I think his people can be unfair in thier judgements.
We judge on what we think we know about a person, God judges on what he knows , and his knowledge is so much more.
The King of Brunei is the one that owns the hotels - so I guess people think that if the boycott enough of his hotels and refuse to stay there that it may have an impact - not sure it will achieve that as he is proberbly too rich to even notice !

Just one thing, if a gay person comes to faith and accepts forgiveness, he / she would still be gay !
Rita

All I would disagree with is your last sentence. Being gay is a choice so an obedient Christian would be a hetrosexual Christian.

 

[Butterfly]

All I would disagree with is your last sentence. Being gay is a choice so an obedient Christian would be a hetrosexual Christian.

You cannot just switch off what you are attracted to on the inside, ALL of us have impulses within us that are still there when we become Christians. It doesn't make any of them right or okay, but we are a work in progress when we come to faith, what about all the many Christian men in ministry who ' choose ' to have affairs and act on thier inner sexual urge to have more than one sexual partner - I don't see anyone rejected them. Or the secret ' porn addicted ' Christians who sit in front of computers watching sexual deviant videos , while conveying to the outside world that they are just such good Christians. Or perhaps the ' loving husband in church, goes home and beats and oppresses his wife behind closed doors. Of course the easiest answer to give is ' well they can't be real Christians ' ( which is pedalled around this forum so much ).
We are ALL damaged in one way or another , that's why we need a saviour !
Anyway, sometimes you have to agree to disagree. Xxx
Rita

 

[Butterfly]

Some employees and elected officials get paid during the shut-down, some get paid when the shut-down is resolved.

The Rules are pre-set, for individual situations. Just as there are Rules for individual Pay-periods, being weekly, monthly, bi-monthly pay-periods.

Some continue to work, during furloughs, some are on pre-scheduled leave, some are in the middle of retiring, some were pre-scheduled for over-time, some accepted unemployment pay, some stayed home without pay, some have direct deposit and a whole host of other individual situations.
All are fully aware, when Congress comes to an impass of agreement, their jobs and schedules may be negatively affected, just as people outside of the Government employ, may regularly lose their jobs due to reduction of force, closing of business, negotiation factors, poor performance, retirement, taking an authorized or unauthorized leave of absence, etc.

It is Congresses JOB to work together and resolve issues, when they don't, they are fully aware of the Presidents options to not be held hostage by Congresses lack of resolving issues, which includes partial or full shut-down of the Government.

Will federal employees receive Pay due them. Yes.
Will all federal employees receive Pay during a Partial Government shut-down?
No.
Are all federal employees aware of their individual status?
Yes.
Do non-federal employees face similar circumstances?
Not exactly.
Typically Releasing a federal Employee from Employment; is far and few between.
Releasing a non-government Employee from Employment; occurs regularly.

Typical Rate of hourly pay between Govt employee and non-Gov't employee including benefits;

High school diploma or less;
...Govt' employee $20.00 more per hour
Some College
....Govt' employee $20.00 more per hour
Bachelors Degree
....Govt' employee $18.00 more per hour
Masters Degree
....Govt' employee $5.00 more per hour
PhD
....Govt' employee $18.00 less per hour

Personally I'm not too broken up about any Govt Employee who has to be off work, wait for their pay, because Congress doesn't do it's Job.

Nor do I believe Govt Employees pay scale should be higher than the average non-Govt employees.
Remember ~ Govt Employees ARE SERVANTS of the People.

And a tid bit...Congressmen have scheduled obligations in DC sessions for about 1/2 a year, compared to an average non-government employee working a full year; AND receive a BASE (beginning Pay, not including the ridiculous PERKS) of 3 Times More of an Average working NON-Govt employee.

Nope, I am not concerned with Govt employees (SERVANTS) poor planning, because they have to WAIT to get paid for not working.

Glory to God,
Taken

Thanks for the info, obviously we only the basic side of the shutdown .
Your compassion for your fellow human beings just oozes out of your post Taken !! Lol ( it's proberbly in line with my compassion for much of the government in the UK right now , obviously for other reasons !!
Just one thing though, Jesus said ' feed the hungry ' he doesn't say ' feed the hungry unless they earn way above what you earn ! ( slightly tongue in cheek comment - so don't take it too seriously X )
Rita

 

[Butterfly]

Hi Rita,

I don't think I would boycott a company due to barbaric beliefs and practices for a few reasons.

One is that I don't see my withholding of my business as a means to change the hearts of those I disagree with.

Another is that I think I would harm innocent parties who rely on the income generated by their evil employers.

Which is right on the heels of the next . . . I believe that there are many such instances of not only state sponsored terrorism, but corporate sponsored recklessness, willingly throwing away people's lives and wellbeing for more cash. Who to even boycott? Bayer? And everything they own? The are the ones perpetuating the whole "round up" fiasco.

And then the main reason of all . . . if there is a place that it makes sense to do business, and there is nothing about being there that trips me into sin, then my presence is an opportunity for God to work through me to serve God's love to those there. And maybe that CAN lead to changed hearts!

Much love!
mark

Hi Mark,
I get where you are coming from - I said I would boycott, but in reality it's so easy to say that when you know that the choice is not right in front of you. There are many boycotts and I have never felt any reason to join in with them, but have often wondered if it's more a case of ' how much do I really care about the issue ' !!!
I work in the care sector, but the home I work in is very much part of the corporate world and very much about profit and gain, I hate that side of it. Many have left in poprotest over the years, but it hasn't changed a single thing. We have often joked about going on strike, how we would love to - just to show the people higher up that without the ' frontline workers ' they would not have a business - but none of us would have the guts to actually do it becasue we care about the residents.
I guess there are just things that happen that drive us to want to do something because we disagree with what is going on, it's a human reaction- but maybe that's when we need to take a step back and remember that ultimately We need to seek out what God wants us to do - after all the true battle , and the real enemies are within the spiritual realm that we cannot actually see.
When you think back to how Christian people have responded in order to bring about change- Rosa parks, Martin Luther King, George muller, suffragettes - to name only a few.
I do think that marching and making a stand can and does achieve things some times, we had that happen over here back in the 80's - Maggie Thatcher had set a new Poll tax which didn't work in a fair way, everyone was outraged and eventually too to the streets, if I remember right there were riots as well. In the end she had to change it , she had to listen to the people. Sadly it doesn't always work that way !!
Rita

 

[Taken]

Thanks for the info, obviously we only the basic side of the shutdown .
Your compassion for your fellow human beings just oozes out of your post Taken !! Lol ( it's proberbly in line with my compassion for much of the government in the UK right now , obviously for other reasons !!
Just one thing though, Jesus said ' feed the hungry ' he doesn't say ' feed the hungry unless they earn way above what you earn ! ( slightly tongue in cheek comment - so don't take it too seriously X )
Rita

The Government is an institution.
Men are created Living terrestrials.
I can have compassion for men, without consideration of a Government institution.

Jesus' message about GIVING/FEEDING can be taken TWO WAYS.
Secularity:
Stuff an others stomach, with a temporary Fix, LIKE was the Manna men gathered in the Dessert for 40 years, and still they shall Die.
OR
Spiritually;
Feed a man the Word of God, and should the man EAT THAT, ^^, he shall LIVE....Forever.

Goverments are LIKENED to:
Ananias and his wife Sapphira (Acts 5).
The Government does not SELL what it owns, but rather TAXES the PEOPLE under the Color of Law, proclaiming intent to Distribute the Collections to "FEED" (the stomachs) of the Poor.
LIKE Ananias and Sapphira TAKES A PORTION of the "Collections" for Themselves, then "qualifies" whom the Government determines is Worthy to Receive.

Jesus taught Charity, and to give Charity as a Cheerful Giver.
Jesus taught to FEED the Poor in Spiirt.

I am NOT a Cheerful Giver by Compelled Taxiation, for the Government to Scrape off a Portion for themselves and dole out Scraps to Whom They determine is worthy.

AND FYI, the US Constitution does NOT provide authority for the Government to engage in such activity....with the EXCEPTION of Temporary Assistance FOR: Military Widows and Military Children, Whose husband and father were Killed, while serving in the Military.

The Lord Blesses me greatly, to have hard-times and He is with me through them; and with times of Abundance that I can give to others in need; and with His Spirit that I can speak His Word, that others may also be inclined to hear, believe and become Converted.

Compassion for a man having hard-times?
Sure.
A man employed by the Government with guaranteed Relief ... eh ... the Government is their "savior".
A man without God ... IMO is the one who is in need of being FED, thee Spiritual Savior.

FEED the HUNGRY.
IMO, translates to FEED, the Word of God, to those "WILLING" (hungry) to Hear.

God Bless,
Taken

 

[Butterfly]

The Government is an institution.
Men are created Living terrestrials.
I can have compassion for men, without consideration of a Government institution.

Jesus' message about GIVING/FEEDING can be taken TWO WAYS.
Secularity:
Stuff an others stomach, with a temporary Fix, LIKE was the Manna men gathered in the Dessert for 40 years, and still they shall Die.
OR
Spiritually;
Feed a man the Word of God, and should the man EAT THAT, ^^, he shall LIVE....Forever.

Goverments are LIKENED to:
Ananias and his wife Sapphira (Acts 5).
The Government does not SELL what it owns, but rather TAXES the PEOPLE under the Color of Law, proclaiming intent to Distribute the Collections to "FEED" (the stomachs) of the Poor.
LIKE Ananias and Sapphira TAKES A PORTION of the "Collections" for Themselves, then "qualifies" whom the Government determines is Worthy to Receive.

Jesus taught Charity, and to give Charity as a Cheerful Giver.
Jesus taught to FEED the Poor in Spiirt.

I am NOT a Cheerful Giver by Compelled Taxiation, for the Government to Scrape off a Portion for themselves and dole out Scraps to Whom They determine is worthy.

AND FYI, the US Constitution does NOT provide authority for the Government to engage in such activity....with the EXCEPTION of Temporary Assistance FOR: Military Widows and Military Children, Whose husband and father were Killed, while serving in the Military.

The Lord Blesses me greatly, to have hard-times and He is with me through them; and with times of Abundance that I can give to others in need; and with His Spirit that I can speak His Word, that others may also be inclined to hear, believe and become Converted.

Compassion for a man having hard-times?
Sure.
A man employed by the Government with guaranteed Relief ... eh ... the Government is their "savior".
A man without God ... IMO is the one who is in need of being FED, thee Spiritual Savior.

FEED the HUNGRY.
IMO, translates to FEED, the Word of God, to those "WILLING" (hungry) to Hear.

God Bless,
Taken

Thanks Taken , would you believe I have just been reading similar things about 'what Jesus actual meant ' so i am grateful for what you posted about the hungry ect
Rita x

 

[Taken]

Thanks Taken , would you believe I have just been reading similar things about 'what Jesus actual meant ' so i am grateful for what you posted about the hungry ect
Rita x

It's a BIG Picture in All of Scripture.

A Spiritual God, teaching men (FIRST) According to what a NATURAL man can understand.

Natural men understand; what makes sense to their carnal mind, and what their natural eyes can See.

God is trying to Transform natural men into Spiritual men.
Which means,
Reading what makes sense to a mans mind, and eyes...is Natural.
And what the same words mean, according to God...is Spiritual.

Some people can ONLY remain in the Secular.
Some people can BECOME Transformed by God....but FAIL to take advantage of Understanding in the Spritual sense.
Some people Do BECOME Transformed by God...and FOCUS intently on Understanding in the Spiritual sense, as IS Gods Understanding.

We can comprehend satan himself "KNOWS" the Scriptures. He or any man with an excellent memory could memorize the entire Bible....but (satan) and many men have not been Transformed IN Christ, to have ACCESS to the Spiritual Understanding of the KNOWLEDGE given in Scripture.

BEING "Transformed" / "Converted", certainly gives a man the Gift of Eternal Life (ie a quickened spirit)....However equally as Great, is Receiving of the Gift of the Holy Spirit...
That Gives a man A DIRECT PIPE LINE, to Thee Lord God.

The focus of Teaching, and the focus of men Learning and Doing, IS Conversion and IS PRAYER from the man TO GOD...A good thing to emphasize.

By Observing what is Taught and Commonly Done....IS openly revealed...OF WHAT Men ARE PRAYING FOR...
Health, Wealth, Win ball games, Win the Lottery, A new house, A new car, A raise at work, for the physically sick, for peace, for, for, for.....

Personally I believe the ONE THING, to pray for ABOVE all other things;
IS Gods Spiritual Understanding of His own Word.

^ THAT is a Lesson that I find GLARING when considering;
1) God created an Everlasting Throne in Jerusalem.
2) God placed upon that Throne a king, named David, of the House of David.
3) God sent us His Son, who took upon himself the likeness as a man, and the seed of the House of David.
(And BTW, taught us HOW TO BE, in the Sons Likeness, and also take upon us, the seed of the HOUSE of David, via a promise to Abraham.)
4) AND THE ALL TIME GREAT, "one-liners"

1 Samuel 13:
[14] But now thy kingdom shall not continue: the LORD hath sought him a man after his own heart, and the LORD hath commanded him to be captain over his people, because thou hast not kept that which the LORD commanded thee.

Acts 13:
[22] And when he had removed him, he raised up unto them David to be their king; to whom also he gave testimony, and said, I have found David the son of Jesse, a man after mine own heart, which shall fulfil all my will.

A man After Gods Own Heart; IS a Man who is Prepared to fulfill Gods WILL.

Who can fulfill Gods WILL, less they KNOW and UNDERSTAND What Gods WILL IS (according to Gods Understanding) ?

The WHOLE purpose of the Lord God Circumcising A mans HEART, (during Conversion), is precisely so a man has a PURE PLACE for the Spirit of God to Dwell within the man and TRUTH of Gods Word to Dwell within the mans (new born again spirit in his new heart) and the man have 24-7 ACCESS to communicate (mans new spirit to Gods Spirit) and SEEK, and Hear, and Learn the Spiritual Understanding OF Gods Words of Knowledge and Truth.

Point Being...

We KNOW communication with the Lord is VIA Prayer...But HOW MANY are asking for material THINGS, and Interpreting Gods Word according to (their MIND and Philosophies of Men)
... rather than ASKING God FOR Gods Spiritual Understanding OF His OWN Word?

Matt 16
[17] And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.


Glory to God,
Taken