Brunei

[Lady Crosstalk]

I would rather have a piece of chocolate cake !!

LOL

 

[Nancy]

My Grandma said that almost everyone gets to celibacy in the end and that it's way better than what the "foolish" young people do.



Definitely.

Amen! lol. I have never been more content than I am now! Paul was so correct to say it is better to remain single so as to serve the Lord much more freely ♥

 

[Butterfly]

I can relate to that Nancy, being married to a non believer meant that I wasn't really ' free ' to serve the Lord.
This was one of the positive when my marriage ended - I did experience freedom X
Rita

 

[Nancy]

I can relate to that Nancy, being married to a non believer meant that I wasn't really ' free ' to serve the Lord.
This was one of the positive when my marriage ended - I did experience freedom X
Rita

Romans 8:28
"And we know that in all things God works for the good have been called according to his purpose."

♥♥ I think in my email I sent you said Brexit instead of Brunei, lol...dunno where that came from!!!

Footnotes:

 

[Butterfly]

Romans 8:28
"And we know that in all things God works for the good have been called according to his purpose."

♥♥ I think in my email I sent you said Brexit instead of Brunei, lol...dunno where that came from!!!

Footnotes:

Lol, yes I know , but I wasn't sure if it was ' predictive text ' guessing the wrong word, mine does that all the time - figured you would find it xx
Rita

 

[Windmillcharge]

You cannot just switch off what you are attracted to on the inside, ALL of us have impulses within us that are still there when we become Christians. It doesn't make any of them right or okay, but we are a work in progress when we come to faith, what about all the many Christian men in ministry who ' choose ' to have affairs and act on thier inner sexual urge to have more than one sexual partner - I don't see anyone rejected them. Or the secret ' porn addicted ' Christians who sit in front of computers watching sexual deviant videos , while conveying to the outside world that they are just such good Christians. Or perhaps the ' loving husband in church, goes home and beats and oppresses his wife behind closed doors. Of course the easiest answer to give is ' well they can't be real Christians ' ( which is pedalled around this forum so much ).
We are ALL damaged in one way or another , that's why we need a saviour !
Anyway, sometimes you have to agree to disagree. Xxx
Rita

Where we agree is that there is right behaviour and there is wrong behaviour.
Sex out side of marriage, homosexuality, porn, theft etc etc etc are all wrong behaviour.

 

[Windmillcharge]

It is NOT a light switch, gay people can no more "change" their orientation than a straight person could. This is a broken world and, if a gay person becomes a child of God, they find that His grace is sufficient for them.

et the testimony of many lgbt is that they can change, the opposition to any way of enabling lgbt to change indicates that the 'fixed' nature is not true as does your sentence about the grace of God.

 

[Butterfly]

Where we agree is that there is right behaviour and there is wrong behaviour.
Sex out side of marriage, homosexuality, porn, theft etc etc etc are all wrong behaviour.

I am glad that you added theft, what about lying , hpyocracy, ect ect - the problem is that many Christians place some sin way above others and decide to be judge and jury, and condemn without coming to terms with reality that they themselves needed mercy, forgiveness and grace.
Jesus came to set captives free, yet how many are held captive because of the attitudes of those who are meant to lead people to Jesus, instead of building
Bridges we knock them down - this is where I do not agree with everyone here.
Not one person has addressed the issue I mentioned about the congress man you said ' he would see if his children could swim if they said they were Gay '
What a horrible attitude to have.
Rita

 

[Nancy]

et the testimony of many lgbt is that they can change, the opposition to any way of enabling lgbt to change indicates that the 'fixed' nature is not true as does your sentence about the grace of God.

I don't know where you get that "...many lgbt is that they CAN change but, you are so off here you have no idea Wind. Why would so many (younger especially), gays commit suicide? Why do you think so many try to be "normal" deny and push down all those very strong feelings and play the role of being straight? Could it be because they are trying to do what is in the bible and this world (Christian or not) as being "normal"? My brother is gay, he married a woman and had two boys. Of course, they are not together anymore but are friendly. He "came out" at almost the age of thirty as he was so very hidden in the back of the closet because of the treatment he knew he would receive from friends and family. I used to attend a Church in the 90's that actually had a ministry to gays coming out of the orientation they always had. It was titled "New Life". Most were men and the leader, who is gay was married to a woman I became friends with...she is a sweet and God fearing Christian, we used to have bible studies at their home. Her and I had deep talks about God and all things going on in oour lives. She once told me she thought she was not attractive enough for her husband because he had no interest in sex...as she blamed herself, it broke my heart. They are still together, yet it is more like they are roommates than husband and wife. Within 2 or 3 years of this ministry, one by one, they all walked away and one of them who I knew personally, from work ended up killing himself...I will never forget that as he was an awesome and sincere Christian...he just was not attracted to the opposite sex and was at a loss as to why God did not "make him straight", he was 27 years old and handsome as the day is long. NOBODY chooses this!!! It can be a horrible thing to realize that one is not the same as their friends in high school and beyond, many pray from pre-teen on for God to "make them properly straight". God does not do that BUT...His Grace IS sufficient for them to live celibate lives.
Pray for them!

 

[Windmillcharge]

BUT...His Grace IS sufficient for them to live celibate lives.

Ultimatly everything depends on God and his grace.
But where do you put your trust in God and his word or in what lgbt's tell you is there experience?
I don't want to decry or minimise that they do suffer and sadly many see suicide as there only way out.
But there is only one form of sex that is right and it doesn't matter how one argues, whether it is biblically or biologically. The human body is designed for hetrosexual sex. anything else is not normal

 

[Nancy]

Ultimatly everything depends on God and his grace.
But where do you put your trust in God and his word or in what lgbt's tell you is there experience?
I don't want to decry or minimise that they do suffer and sadly many see suicide as there only way out.
But there is only one form of sex that is right and it doesn't matter how one argues, whether it is biblically or biologically. The human body is designed for hetrosexual sex. anything else is not normal

Of course I agree that the human body is designed for hetro sexual relations. And of COURSE it is normal to THEM...but it is NOT "normal" for gays. There are so many assumptions from folks who have no idea yet, act as if it's something that they can turn this way or that and it is not. Therefore, to me, celibacy is their only choice unless they "fake" it, until they can't...and many do (eg: my brother). Then you have those who like to "experience" (mostly woman, IMO) being with the same sex for awhile until they miss their men. These types most surely have a choice. So, IMO, the answer is in Jesus and, how can they know how sufficient His grace is until they KNOW Him and stop identifying themselves by their orientation and start identifying as a Christ follower? We are a broken people on this earth, all starting at the Garden. Nothing is as it should be in this world full of despairing and hopeless lost people. PLEASE pray for them! Since I have known MANY gays in my lifetime and have gotten close to them, I have heard just about every story they have and they are all pretty much the same. The militant ones, like at their parades, are what the world sees on their TV screens and say awful things about. Most gays are not at all like them...they are people just like you and I, they hurt, they feel, bleed, cry
, they work, pay taxes, go to doctors and enjoy their family and friends-if they are not ousted from the family and friend group, that is. Is their sin any worse than the fornicators who, pretty much all of them have sexual relations BEFORE marriage or, they just live together without marriage. I have heard said, pertaining to men and women living together- "well at least it's the right sex!" Oh that burns me up as, their sin is just as offensive to God...oh yeah, what about adulterers? Quite a few in the pews of my Church and all is okay with that perpetual sin. A young man, coming into his puberty and realizing he is not attracted to girls can be a harrowing experience as they wait to find it is NOT a phase, so, into the closet of pretending with them for only God knows for how long before they either take their lives or decide to join something they hate and cannot beat, or try to fake it til you make it. My brother DID fake it for so long and finally could do it no more...so he "came out" to his wife and me. It was a horrible day indeed. So many were hurt and this is yet another "guilt" feeling he deals with...not to mention he has 2 (grown now) sons. And, one of them just told his mom that HE is gay (I kind of knew that when he was a child, how he held himself and just a feeling) my brother was devastated as he thought he would be blamed. His ex wife and he do get along fine but, the rest of her family I am not so sure what they think or say. So, IMHO, the only way one can be obedient to God and conquer this kind of sin is through Gods Grace and nothing else as, they do NOT change no matter how pious and prayerful they are. Some want to be normal so bad, they will convince their-selves that in time their attractions will fall into the proper place and all will be well with the opposite sex so...you can see how this is not a good idea as, too many are hurt in the process...children included. Gays, who are truly gay and not "bi" or experimental, must be celibate as that is the only choice God gives them. Nobody can convince me that God chooses to "zap" someones sexual orientation into "normal" as, nobody I know of, nor anybody that they all know of knows anybody who has miraculously been given a different orientation and, if one has claimed this...it is a lie and they are trying to fit a round peg into a square hole as, these things never last. This has been some of my experience with the gay world. There are decades old friendships (straight and gays) that slowly stopped calling me when I gave my whole life to Christ in the early 1990's. I pray for them.
God Bless,
nancy

 

[Nancy]

et the testimony of many lgbt is that they can change, the opposition to any way of enabling lgbt to change indicates that the 'fixed' nature is not true as does your sentence about the grace of God.

"Cofounder Michael Bussee left the group in 1979 and entered a relationship with another Exodus leader, Gary Cooper. Bussee would later admit, “I never saw one of our members or other Exodus leaders or other Exodus members become heterosexual, so deep down I knew that it wasn’t true.” <---this from an EX leader of the ministry named "Exodus" for "so called" ex-gays.
How the Leader of the Largest Ex-Gay Ministry Dismantled the Movement

 

[Nancy]

'Boy Erased' -- why conversion therapies and ex-gay ministries should be outlawed

 

[Butterfly]

I can't watch it Nancy, it really gets to me. I have seen previews x

 

[Nancy]

I can't watch it Nancy, it really gets to me. I have seen previews x

Yes, there is the one rape scene, that would be tough for many to watch. And, some language that is strong. But, it is only one of many "restorative therapy" stories out there, and none of them are pretty. That is why I believe that celibacy is the only choice for a gay person if they are to follow His words and commands and precepts.
Until one understands His grace, they will never be free