Yes Eve first. Do you have a point to make? What is it?Eve first...Tong2020 said: ↑
It is Adam who chose to disobey God
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Yes Eve first. Do you have a point to make? What is it?Eve first...Tong2020 said: ↑
It is Adam who chose to disobey God
Yes Eve first. Do you have a point to make? What is it?
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If that is your understanding of Calvinism then you have definitely got it wrong.How can God punish anyone for being chosen to go to hell?
Oh. Sorry about that then.yes, you mentioned Adam, and left out the main person, Eve!Tong2020 said: ↑
Yes Eve first. Do you have a point to make? What is it?
Oh. Sorry about that then.
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1 Corinthians 15:22....As in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive.Its hard, I will admit. But what do you do with those verses that say its true? The answer is it is rationalized away to say, "God didn't mean it the way the Bible says!" I believe he meant what he said!
What we can take comfort in is that God only knows who is chosen. Even a "filthy rapper" like DMX can be chosen from the foundations of the world. So it is not for us to proclaim... God has that privilege. If God said he foreordained some to damnation, who am I to argue?
Did I say anything unbiblical?No problem, we just need to keep it Biblical.
God is in the Salvation business not the damnation business
Did I say anything unbiblical?
If I say for example, Paul preached Jesus Christ.
Peter first, you might say.
Is that unbiblical?
Was that really your point in saying that Eve first chose to disobey God?
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And you did not clarify what is unbiblical in what I said. Well,.... don’t bother. Let’s just drop this.my point is the Bible's point, simple
Let me guess. He created it for those who will choose to offend Him?so why did He create hell, where the majority of the human race is going to end up?
Let me guess. He created it for those who will choose to offend Him?
What’s your guess?
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Does not say there why God created hell.I don't guess, here are the words of Jesus, "“Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels" (Matthew 25:41)Tong2020 said: ↑
Let me guess. He created it for those who will choose to offend Him?
What’s your guess?
You seem to misunderstand the concept of "divine foreknowledge", which is NOT having information about someone or some event ahead of time. Divine Foreknowledge is God's having a relationship with someone that began in the past.Do you even understand what is being said? Why were they ordained to condemnation? Because God arbitrarily decided this, or because God saw in His divine foreknowledge that they would never repent of their evil ways? God does NOT arbitrarily consign anyone to Hell. They bring damnation on themselves. At the same time, God gives all repeated opportunities to repent.
People will choose destruction...they will create it themselves....just as Judas didso why did He create hell, where the majority of the human race is going to end up?
Romans 9:19-24How can God punish anyone for being chosen to go to hell?
How can God punish anyone for being chosen to go to hell?
If Jesus only died for His sheep;
My answer is not in alignment with Calvinism, but would like to take a crack at it.How can God punish anyone for being chosen to go to hell?
Those "not chosen" to be with God, are "not chosen", they are "rejected".