Can Priests Forgive Sin?

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amigo de christo

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I'm not asking to confess your sins-I ask- Are you sure re YOUR salvation?
JOHANN you are asking A DIRE GOOD QUESTION . IT IS a question that any lamb ought to ask .
For many priests , many who cliam to be leaders , THEY THE ONES DECIEVING THE PEOPLE
and the people are and have been trained into the idea TOUCH NOT GODS ANNOINTED . RATHER JUST SIT UNDER THEM .
NOT THIS LAMB . NEVER . LET GOD BE TRUE but every man a LIAR . I WILL STICK TO THIS and by the grace of GOD
MAY I STICK TO THAT TILL THE LAST BREATH EBBS out these lungs . MEN must always be tested .
HOW SO . AGAINST THE WORD and WORDS OF GOD . LET GOD BE TRUE . LET GOD BE TRUE and all men TESTED PEROID .
 

amigo de christo

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Do you tell people your saved @Johann. If you wish to discuss then perhaps that is better than being rude by probing into peoples private lives.
I am saved devin . CAUSE I know HE WHO DOES SAVE .
But my question is this . I ask this question to all that has breath , to all who even cliams to KNOW
JESUS . DO we follow JESUS or have we been following a jesus . one created by men and their doctrines .
Cause i gotta be honest , a created jesus cant save squat . TIME we follow the JESUS THAT CREATED
and let us not follow the created jesus of men and their doctrines .
 
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amigo de christo

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I remember you once asked me my age or birthdate here somewhere, which was also rude and prying into personal information publicly on a forum so I wouldn't expect you to understand @amigo de christo. Perhaps these private issues some people respect, while with others you must use proper boundaries.
Its not rude to ask the question . now if me asking someone when their birthday is offends them . WELL THEN i wont ask the person .
What i dont get is , how can it be rude to ask someone the question that johann asked .
ITS either YOU KNOW you are saved or not . TRUTH is its a good way to be able to witness back to someone
about JESUS and HOW YOU KNOW you are . just trying to help devin .
 
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Johann

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Do you tell people your saved @Johann. If you wish to discuss then perhaps that is better than being rude by probing into peoples private lives.
@dev553344 you are evasive-I have all the Scripture references re the assurance of YOUR and MY salvation-Present Tense.

Don't tell me I am intruding on peoples private lives-I don't know you, and you don't know me.

Assurance of Eternal Life
Written by Mike Gendron.


Are you aware of one of the greatest truths revealed in the Bible? Did you know it is possible for you to know right here and now, with absolute certainty, that the moment you die, you can enjoy the presence of God forever. God wants you to know that salvation can be secured by His faithfulness and power to all who trust the Savior Jesus Christ. The apostle John, under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit revealed this wonderful truth as the purpose for one of his letters, "I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God so that you may know that you have eternal life." (1 John 5:13) Anyone who repents from trusting in things that cannot save them (Hebrews 6:1) and puts all their trust in Jesus will never face the condemnation of God 's wrath. Jesus said, I tell you the truth, whoever hears my word and believes Him who sent me has eternal life and will not be condemned, he has crossed over from death to life" (John 5:24).

All believers have a special relationship with God. To all who have received Christ, "to those who believed in His name, He gave the right to become children of God---children not born of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband's will, but born of God." (John 1:12,13). The relationship God the Father has with His children is an eternal relationship (John 8:35). It is permanent. Nothing will ever separate His children from His love (Romans 8:35-39). Our heavenly Father will discipline His children (Hebrews 12:10-11), but He will never condemn them. In a way it is similar to the unchanging relationship we have with our earthly parents. Nothing we could ever do will change who our parents are.

Most people go through life hoping they will go to heaven when they die. They hope, after living a good enough life, they will receive favor from God and a place in His Kingdom. Roman Catholics are taught they receive salvation through water baptism, but they can lose it in an instant by committing a mortal sin. Only by confessing the sin to a priest and doing penance can they be justified again. This cycle is often repeated hundreds of times in a Catholic's life.

Those who depend on their personal righteousness, performing good works, or adhering to a religious system, can never be assured of salvation. They will never know if they have ever done enough. It seems absurd to put your faith in what you can do instead of what God has done. Those who believe God's word know that "salvation by grace" means to trust solely in the source of grace --- Jesus Christ. When salvation depends on God there is no chance for failure. A wonderful acronym for G-R-A-C-E is God's Riches At Christ's Expense. Whenever man is involved in attaining and preserving salvation there can be no assurance.

We have assurance through the Father. Some believe it is possible to walk away from God or renounce your faith and lose your salvation? Jesus said no one has the power to do so. "I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish . . . My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all, no one can snatch them out of my Father's hand" (John 10:28-29). The Father has the power to assure the life Jesus gives is everlasting, not temporal or perishable.

We have assurance through Jesus Christ. Christians are often accused of being self-righteous and boastful because they know for sure they are going to heaven. The accusers fail to understand it is not what man does for God that qualifies him for heaven, but what God has done for man. God made His holy and perfect Son become sin for us, so we could become the righteousness of God in Christ (2 Corinthians 5:21). "We have been made holy through the sacrifice of the body of Jesus Christ, once for all...by one sacrifice he has made perfect forever those who are being made holy" (Hebrews 10:10,14).

The Catholic Church teaches that mortal sin results in the loss of eternal life. John refuted this teaching in his first epistle when he encouraged believers not to sin. "But if anybody does sin, we have one who speaks to the Father in our defense---Jesus Christ, the Righteous One. He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins" (1 John 2:1-2). This comforting truth is also revealed in Hebrews 7:25, "He (Jesus) is able to save completely those who come to God through Him, because He always lives to intercede for them.

We also have assurance through the Holy Spirit. Many skeptics refuse to believe that a repentant sinner can simply believe the Gospel and be assured of eternal life? Yet the Apostle Paul could not make it any more clear, "You also were included in Christ when you heard the word of truth, the Gospel of your salvation. having believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit, who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance (Ephesians 1:13-14). The moment anyone understands and believes the Gospel, they are sealed and indwelt by the Holy Spirit, who guarantees they will be co-heirs with Christ (Romans 8:17).

We have assurance through God's promises. The gift of salvation is secured forever by the faithfulness of God. He promises never to take back the gifts He has given. "God's gifts and His call are irrevocable" (Romans 11:29). His "promise comes by faith , so that it may be by grace and may be guaranteed" to those who have the faith (Romans 4:16). "And if by grace, then it is no longer by works, if it were, grace would no longer be grace" (Romans 11:6). Paul is making it crystal clear that salvation can only be assured when a repentant sinner receives it as a gift of God's grace. Anyone who believes that salvation can be earned nullifies God's grace. Whenever man is involved in attaining and preserving his salvation, there can be no assurance.


This may be your first exposure to the great biblical truth of eternal security. If you want to be certain of your salvation, then put aside any teaching, experience or feeling that opposes the Word of God. You will never have the subjective feeling of assurance until you comprehend and believe the objective truth of the Gospel. Once you do, you will be more certain of living eternally in heaven than one more day on earth.
 
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More false teacher stuff my Mike Gendron. OK, @Johann I'll leave you to it. And by the way there are plenty of other scriptures that say that salvation is not a guarantee.
 

amigo de christo

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I think the conversation went right over some peoples head. Lets recount: I tell @Johann that I don't tell people I'm saved because I feel it would be blasphemous. @Johann then asks me if I'm saved.

Let's see @amigo de christo is @Johann mocking me?
How is telling someone you are saved blasphemous . Lest perhaps one is still trusting in their own ability .
Many were raised in instiutions that taught us we cannot KNOW we are saved .
And i dont mean just necessarily the RCC . i see this mindset has grown within many places as well .
But allow me some parting words . IF one does not know they are saved , THEN WHAT ARE they truly trusting in .
CAUSE I KNOW JESUS saves . In truth the only way i know one can be saved IS BY HIM .
This is not an accusation . Not in the least .
But the question remains , IF we cannot know we are saved till the end , THEN WHO ON EARTH WERE we TRUSTING IN TO save us .
Our selves ..............
As for me i have but one simple teaching . TRUST IN CHRIST JESUS ALONE for salvation .
And let us make sure ITS THE TRUE CHRIST JESUS and not rather what men might have tried to sell to us as JESUS .
 

Johann

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More false teacher stuff my Mike Gendron. OK, @Johann I'll leave you to it. And by the way there are plenty of other scriptures that say that salvation is not a guarantee.
Mike Gendron is biblically sound-but since you call him "false" and that salvation is NOT a guarantee--we are all fallible and even heretics can quote Scriptures-that's why a online Forum is a perfect "escape" for those playing lip service.

You're on your own.
 
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amigo de christo

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my best guess is the man warns out against the dangers of the RCC and its doctrines .
IF so , Praise be to GOD .
And now for a simple reminder .
Men will do as men will do in this world and the religious do as they do . But lambs do as JESUS said to do .
Men will defend to the end the apple of their eye .
For many the apple of their eye is their religoins institution , or anything that agrees with their own mindset .
For the lambs the apple of their EYE IS GOD , IS CHRIST , IS HIS EVERY WORD .
Be blessed everyone . CHOOSE YE THIS DAY WHOM YE GONNA SERVE
but as for me and the lambs , ITS HE WHO SAVED US and can keep us from falling , CHRIST JESUS and the bible
is our meat .
What a man loveth is what he will sit under and embrace . for many this is the doctrines and precepts of men .
For lambs IT JESUS CHRIST and their doctrine IS EVERY WORD OF GOD . they feast on them bibles and they love the TRUTH dearly .
 

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A question comes to mind: If I know that you are forgiven, and I say, "You are forgiven," then am I forgiving you, or is the Lord forgiving you?
Neither. Jesus told his apostles that God would endow them with the ability to recognize or identify those already forgiven.
 

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The reason I brought this up, is that Jesus would say, "Your sins are forgiven," if memory serves. Was he then forgiving the sin, or did he just know that the Father in heaven had forgiven the sin?
In the case of Jesus, the Father gave the Son the authority to forgive sins.
 

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We've established that Jesus Himself had authority on earth to forgive sins; see Mark 2:1-12 and synoptic parallels. Then the question becomes, has Jesus delegated the same authority to His representatives on earth until He comes back? The Catholics I've talked to say that Matthew 16:13-20, “I also say to you that you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build My church; and the gates of Hades will not overpower it. I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; and whatever you bind on earth shall have been bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall have been loosed in heaven” does indicate that the Christ, the Son of the Living God has delegated that authority.

Are there alternative ways to interpret Matthew 16:18-19?
Yes, the verb tense alerts the reader that supernatural discernment has been granted to them. That is, the Apostles have the ability to know what has "already been" loosed in heaven. They don't get to decide what can be loosed. They are given to know what heaven has loosed.
 

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Good discussion. I would back up and say that at no point does the NT refer to a Christian minister as a priest. There are only two offices described in the NT. A deacon and an elder sometimes called an overseer. Christ is our high priest and he makes intercession. Rome claims that the Levitical priesthood is continued in the NT in their sacramental system. It’s a system without a perfect savior who can save perfectly. That is the real problem here. The moment you open the door to a Christian minister to operate as a priest you have already lost the biblical argument. As to auricular confession there is nothing wrong with such a practice. It’s not required to be sure but is recommended. Cf Jam 5:16.
 
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I thought if you confessed to the Lord your sins, and asked Him to forgive you, that faith is what you have to believe He has done so.Romans 10:9-11 " 9That if you confess with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. 10For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved. 11As the Scripture says, "Anyone who trusts in him will never be put to shame."

I know what you mean dev, but faith is all we have. He has promised. For us not to receive that promise after repentance and confession to Him, it shows a lack of faith in us. I struggle with it too.