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The church is filled with people whose hearts and minds devoted to Him. The Catholic Church is not the church, Jesus was speaking of. I know this because Jesus said His church would prevail. You, know even the gates of hell, could not destroy it.
Well, either the gates of Hades did not prevail, or it did prevail and Jesus is lying. You can't have it both ways.
But your church is dead. It is infested with homosexuals, even parishes that claim they are gay approving. Your pope is a socialist and he is not the first.
Your anger is not justified. It is not a sin to be a homosexual, it is a sin to do homosexual things. The Church makes this very clear. There is nothing wrong with welcoming sinners into the Church, but their sins are never endorsed. There is a ministry to help free people from the gay lifestyle. Courage International

Pope's are not socialists, they are bound to Catholic social teaching.
The seven principles of Catholic social teaching are:
  • Dignity of the Human Person.
  • Call to Family, Community and Participation.
  • Rights and Responsibilities.
  • Preferential Option for and with People who are Poor.
  • Dignity of Work and the Rights of Workers.
  • Solidarity.
  • Care for God's Creation.
This is not socialism. Conspiracies of a one world government or one world religion led by the Pope is for fanatical psychotic morons, A.K.A The Christian Taliban.

Along comes Michael Voris. I admit that he uses every opportunity to bash protestants, he also bashes the Catholic Church.
He is controversial, boldly admonishes many clerics, but he never bashes the Catholic Church.
Look at what Catholic students did at their Catholic schools. The Bishop loved the heresy so much, he graced the walls of a Cathedral with what is clearly Catholic heresy.
I don't know what they did. There has been dissent in every age, but that doesn't mean the Church is wrong. The Church is not an all powerful mind controlling policeman beating dissenters into submission, that's what anti-Catholics think. I see that lunacy every day.

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All that proves is that gay people are welcome, it does not prove that gay behavior is endorsed. Being surprised to find sinners in church is like being surprised to find sick people in a hospital. Maybe in your church each member is 100% holy and righteous every minute of every day, but Jesus came to save sinners.

2357 Homosexuality refers to relations between men or between women who experience an exclusive or predominant sexual attraction toward persons of the same sex. It has taken a great variety of forms through the centuries and in different cultures. Its psychological genesis remains largely unexplained. Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity,141 tradition has always declared that "homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered."142 They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved.

2358 The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not negligible. This inclination, which is objectively disordered, constitutes for most of them a trial. They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill God's will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord's Cross the difficulties they may encounter from their condition.

2359 Homosexual persons are called to chastity. By the virtues of self-mastery that teach them inner freedom, at times by the support of disinterested friendship, by prayer and sacramental grace, they can and should gradually and resolutely approach Christian perfection. Catechism of the Catholic Church
We don't shoot our wounded, and we don't condemn them to hell.
Pope Francis excommunicates Australian priest (for advocating female ordination and gay marriage)
None of the churches listed in your link have gay "marriages", or the priest would be excommunicated. I won't post a list of Protestant churches where they have gay weddings just to prove what everybody already knows. Why did the Pope interrupt his busy schedule to visit Angela Davis ??? (Apostolic Pentecostal Church), the clerk who refused to issue gay marriage licences and got fired)

The wheels are falling off your anti-Catholic bandwagon.
 
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If all you need is Jesus then why did you go to a man in a church to get baptized

Co_13:11 When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.

Than I grew up but some never do.

1Co 3:1 And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ.
1Co 3:2 I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able.
1Co 3:3 For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?
1Co 3:4 For while one saith, I am of Paul; and another, I am of Apollos; are ye not carnal?

When you stand before Christ on that day of judgement, will He still not be enough for you????
 

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Well, either the gates of Hades did not prevail, or it did prevail and Jesus is lying. You can't have it both ways.

Jesus is not lying, Hell will not prevail against His church, but yours, has being invaded since teh beginning,

Is the molesting of children by catholic priests, from God or teh devil????
 

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1) you have no church
2) it's from the devil.

But if I elaborate on sex scandals in all the churches, the thread will get closed. No other church has done her laundry in this area better than the Catholic Church, while Protestant churches are still struggling with it. Don't provoke me.
The reason you threw in this off-topic remark is because you can't refute my replies to Abiding Grace's anti-Catholic falsehoods. It's a red herring.

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1) you have no church
2) it's from the devil.

But if I elaborate on sex scandals in all the churches, the thread will get closed. No other church has done her laundry in this area better than the Catholic Church, while Protestant churches are still struggling with it. Don't provoke me.
The reason you threw in this off-topic remark is because you can't refute my replies to Abiding Grace's anti-Catholic falsehoods. It's a red herring

Yes kepha there is sex scandals in all the churchers,, why?? because none of them are from God and "HELL" has prevailed and evil is a part of it all. As for Church, you really should look it up and see what teh word really means, Who do you think your salvation is in, "Christ" or your church.?? We are called "Christians" because we belong to Christ, you cal yourselves "catholics" because you belong to teh catholic church. Are you so blind.
 
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Yes kepha there is sex scandals in all the churchers,, why?? because none of them are from God and "HELL" has prevailed and evil is a part of it all. As for Church, you really should look it up and see what teh word really means, Who do you think your salvation is in, "Christ" or your church.?? We are called "Christians" because we belong to Christ, you cal yourselves "catholics" because you belong to teh catholic church. Are you so blind.
Perhaps YOU should be elected Pope for all Christianity. Then it would be called mjrhealthianity, the one true church. But you would be the only one in it.
 

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Perhaps YOU should be elected Pope for all Christianity. Then it would be called mjrhealthianity, the one true church. But you would be the only one in it.
You are a catholic you defend your religion, i am a christian, I promote Christ, cant you see teh difference?? There was a reason why I started that topic, Why cant they call them selves christians..

Luk_16:13 No servant can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.

Which is it to be, Jesus or your religion???
 

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You are a catholic you defend your religion, i am a christian, I promote Christ, cant you see teh difference??
You promote your opinion of Christ. You have no supporting structure and refuse to submit to any authority more knowledgeable than yourself.
There was a reason why I started that topic, Why cant they call them selves christians..
We have been calling ourselves Christians for 2000 years. The Greek is Christianos. History shows Catholic and Christian are interchangeable.
"Where the Bishop appears, there let the people be, just as where Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church."
St. Ignatius of Antioch's letter to the Smyrneans, paragraph 8, of 106 A.D.,

"Christian is my name, and Catholic my surname. The one designates me, while the other makes me specific. Thus am I attested and set apart... When we are called Catholics it is by this appellation that our people are kept apart from any heretical name."
Saint Pacian of Barcelona, Letter to Sympronian, 375 A.D.

Luk_16:13 No servant can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.

Which is it to be, Jesus or your religion???
Your question is senseless.
1. Best One-Sentence Summary: I am convinced that the Catholic Church conforms much more closely to all of the biblical data, offers the only coherent view of the history of Christianity (i.e., Christian, apostolic Tradition), and possesses the most profound and sublime Christian morality, spirituality, social ethic, and philosophy.

2. Alternate: I am a Catholic because I sincerely believe, by virtue of much cumulative evidence, that Catholicism is true, and that the Catholic Church is the visible Church divinely-established by our Lord Jesus, against which the gates of hell cannot and will not prevail (Mt 16:18), thereby possessing an authority to which I feel bound in Christian duty to submit.

3. 2nd Alternate: I left Protestantism because it was seriously deficient in its interpretation of the Bible (e.g., "faith alone" and many other "Catholic" doctrines - see evidences below), inconsistently selective in its espousal of various Catholic Traditions (e.g., the Canon of the Bible), inadequate in its ecclesiology, lacking a sensible view of Christian history (e.g., "Scripture alone"), compromised morally (e.g., contraception, divorce), and unbiblically schismatic, anarchical, and relativistic. I don't therefore believe that Protestantism is all bad (not by a long shot), but these are some of the major deficiencies I eventually saw as fatal to the "theory" of Protestantism, over against Catholicism. All Catholics must regard baptized, Nicene, Chalcedonian Protestants as Christians.

4. Catholicism isn't formally divided and sectarian (Jn 17:20-23; Rom 16:17; 1 Cor 1:10-13).

5. Catholic unity makes Christianity and Jesus more believable to the world (Jn 17:23).

6. Catholicism, because of its unified, complete, fully supernatural Christian vision, mitigates against secularization and humanism.

7. Catholicism avoids an unbiblical individualism which undermines Christian community (e.g., 1 Cor 12:25-26).

8. Catholicism avoids theological relativism, by means of dogmatic certainty and the centrality of the papacy.

9. Catholicism avoids ecclesiological anarchism - one cannot merely jump to another denomination when some disciplinary measure or censure is called for.

10. Catholicism formally (although, sadly, not always in practice) prevents the theological relativism which leads to the uncertainties within the Protestant system among laypeople.

11. Catholicism rejects the "State Church," which has led to governments dominating Christianity rather than vice-versa.

12. Protestant State Churches greatly influenced the rise of nationalism, which mitigated against universal equality and Christian universalism (i.e., Catholicism).

13. Unified Catholic Christendom (before the 16th century) had not been plagued by the tragic religious wars which in turn led to the "Enlightenment," in which men rejected the hypocrisy of inter-Christian warfare and decided to become indifferent to religion rather than letting it guide their lives.

14. Catholicism retains the elements of mystery, supernatural, and the sacred in Christianity, thus opposing itself to secularization, where the sphere of the religious in life becomes greatly limited.

15. Protestant individualism led to the privatization of Christianity, whereby it is little respected in societal and political life, leaving the "public square" barren of Christian influence.

16. The secular false dichotomy of "church vs. world" has led committed orthodox Christians, by and large, to withdraw from politics, leaving a void filled by pagans, cynics, unscrupulous, and power-hungry. Catholicism offers a framework in which to approach the state and civic responsibility.

17. Protestantism leans too much on mere traditions of men (every denomination stems from one Founder's vision. As soon as two or more of these contradict each other, error is necessarily present).

18. Protestant churches (esp. evangelicals), are far too often guilty of putting their pastors on too high of a pedestal. In effect, every pastor becomes a "pope," to varying degrees (some are "super-popes"). Because of this, evangelical congregations often experience a severe crisis and/or split up when a pastor leaves, thus proving that their philosophy is overly man-centered, rather than God-centered.

19. Protestantism, due to lack of real authority and dogmatic structure, is tragically prone to accommodation to the spirit of the age, and moral faddism.
http://www.ourcatholicfaith.org/reasons.html
 
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You promote your opinion of Christ. You have no supporting structure and refuse to submit to any authority more knowledgeable than yourself.
I submit to Christ who beside God has the greatest authorityof all, who do you submit to???
Catholism has done nothing to promote Christianity, it promotes itself catholism, Even on this form, you promote Mary, you promote catholsim" us catholics believe", you promote division by doctirnes, your religion is the greatest heresy of all. Your priest molesting children are the symptom of teh disease that had infested teh churches of men, she has done her best to hide her shame but the wound has got so bad that now the world can see it.

1Co_6:16 What? know ye not that he which is joined to an harlot is one body? for two, saith he, shall be one flesh.

Rev_18:4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues

Your choosing
 
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20. Catholicism retains apostolic succession, necessary to know what is true Christian apostolic Tradition. It was the criterion of Christian truth used by the early Christians.

21. Many Protestants take a dim view towards Christian history in general, esp. the years from 313 (Constantine's conversion) to 1517 (Luther's arrival). This ignorance and hostility to Catholic Tradition leads to theological relativism, anti-Catholicism, and a constant, unnecessary process of "reinventing the wheel."

22. Protestantism from its inception was anti-Catholic, and remains so to this day (esp. evangelicalism). This is obviously wrong and unbiblical if Catholicism is indeed Christian (if it isn't, then - logically - neither is Protestantism, which inherited the bulk of its theology from Catholicism). The Catholic Church, on the other hand, is not anti-Protestant.

23. The Catholic Church accepts the authority of the great Ecumenical Councils (see, e.g., Acts 15) which defined and developed Christian doctrine (much of which Protestantism also accepts).

24. Most Protestants do not have bishops, a Christian office which is biblical (1 Tim 3:1-2) and which has existed from the earliest Christian history and Tradition.

25. Protestantism has no way of settling doctrinal issues definitively. At best, the individual Protestant can only take a head count of how many Protestant scholars, commentators, etc. take such-and-such a view on Doctrine X, Y, or Z. There is no unified Protestant Tradition.

26. Protestantism arose in 1517, and is a "Johnny-come-lately" in the history of Christianity. Therefore it cannot possibly be the "restoration" of "pure", "primitive" Christianity, since this is ruled out by the fact of its absurdly late appearance. Christianity must have historic continuity or it is not Christianity. Protestantism is necessarily a "parasite" of Catholicism, historically and doctrinally speaking.

27. The Protestant notion of the "invisible church" is also novel in the history of Christianity and foreign to the Bible (Mt 5:14; Mt 16:18), therefore untrue.

28. When Protestant theologians speak of the teaching of early Christianity (e.g., when refuting "cults"), they say "the Church taught . . ." (as it was then unified), but when they refer to the present they instinctively and inconsistently refrain from such terminology, since universal teaching authority now clearly resides only in the Catholic Church.

29. The Protestant principle of private judgment has created a milieu (esp. in Protestant America) in which (invariably) man-centered "cults" such as Jehovah's Witnesses, Mormonism, and Christian Science arise. The very notion that one can "start" a new, or "the true" Church is Protestant to the core.

30. The lack of a definitive teaching authority in Protestant (as with the Catholic magisterium) makes many individual Protestants think that they have a direct line to God, notwithstanding all of Christian Tradition and the history of biblical exegesis (a "Bible, Holy Spirit and me" mentality). Such people are generally under-educated theologically, unteachable, lack humility, and have no business making presumed "infallible" statements about the nature of Christianity.
 
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WHy do you hate protestnats they are teh children of your church, your brothers and sisters. There are people in this world, wheter you care or not, who belong to Christ, not your church or protestant churches. For they are only concerned with Gloryfying Christ, not men, nor women, neither are they concerned with mens doctrines , the ysimply want teh truth.
As teh disciples put it..

Joh 6:67 Then said Jesus unto the twelve, Will ye also go away?
Joh 6:68 Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life.
Joh 6:69 And we believe and are sure that thou art that Christ, the Son of the living God.

Son many have left Him to follow after men and His doctrines of teh devil.
 

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Well, either the gates of Hades did not prevail, or it did prevail and Jesus is lying. You can't have it both ways.
Your anger is not justified. It is not a sin to be a homosexual, it is a sin to do homosexual things. The Church makes this very clear. There is nothing wrong with welcoming sinners into the Church, but their sins are never endorsed. There is a ministry to help free people from the gay lifestyle. Courage International

Pope's are not socialists, they are bound to Catholic social teaching.
The seven principles of Catholic social teaching are:
  • Dignity of the Human Person.
  • Call to Family, Community and Participation.
  • Rights and Responsibilities.
  • Preferential Option for and with People who are Poor.
  • Dignity of Work and the Rights of Workers.
  • Solidarity.
  • Care for God's Creation.
This is not socialism. Conspiracies of a one world government or one world religion led by the Pope is for fanatical psychotic morons, A.K.A The Christian Taliban.

He is controversial, boldly admonishes many clerics, but he never bashes the Catholic Church.
I don't know what they did. There has been dissent in every age, but that doesn't mean the Church is wrong. The Church is not an all powerful mind controlling policeman beating dissenters into submission, that's what anti-Catholics think. I see that lunacy every day.

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I'm not angry at homosexuals, I'm angry about it being accepted by your church. It's not just a mere recognition that they are disordered, but that the church celebrates it. Liars, fornicators, adulterers, thiefs, and murderers do not have their sin celebrated I've no doubt I sit among them in church. Often I'm guilty of sin as well, but the Pastor calls sin... what it is, sin.

Unless Almighty God intervenes, your church is dead. So are protestants who entertain such sin. The is getting smaller and smaller. Only the true bride of Christ will remain. That church is for all who love and obey His words and have their hearts and minds fixed on Jesus, the author and perfecter of the faith.

 

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You promote your opinion of Christ. You have no supporting structure and refuse to submit to any authority more knowledgeable than yourself. We have been calling ourselves Christians for 2000 years. The Greek is Christianos. History shows Catholic and Christian are interchangeable.
"Where the Bishop appears, there let the people be, just as where Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church."
St. Ignatius of Antioch's letter to the Smyrneans, paragraph 8, of 106 A.D.,
"Christian is my name, and Catholic my surname. The one designates me, while the other makes me specific. Thus am I attested and set apart... When we are called Catholics it is by this appellation that our people are kept apart from any heretical name."
Saint Pacian of Barcelona, Letter to Sympronian, 375 A.D.
Just words. The early Apostles didn't teach most of what you have posted here.

Your question is senseless.
1. Best One-Sentence Summary: I am convinced that the Catholic Church conforms much more closely to all of the biblical data, offers the only coherent view of the history of Christianity (i.e., Christian, apostolic Tradition), and possesses the most profound and sublime Christian morality, spirituality, social ethic, and philosophy.

It does? Your Priests don't talk about sin anymore. They teach that God just loves everyone and rarely mention consequences. Even your Pope can't make a decision regarding divorced Catholics and communion. I'm praying for dubya and rooting for Cardinal Burke. Pope Francis won't take responsibility for his own words.

2. Alternate: I am a Catholic because I sincerely believe, by virtue of much cumulative evidence, that Catholicism is true, and that the Catholic Church is the visible Church divinely-established by our Lord Jesus, against which the gates of hell cannot and will not prevail (Mt 16:18), thereby possessing an authority to which I feel bound in Christian duty to submit.

Some people are still waiting for the Messiah, and they believe that every much as you Catholicism.
3. 2nd Alternate: I left Protestantism because it was seriously deficient in its interpretation of the Bible (e.g., "faith alone" and many other "Catholic" doctrines - see evidences below), inconsistently selective in its espousal of various Catholic Traditions (e.g., the Canon of the Bible), inadequate in its ecclesiology, lacking a sensible view of Christian history (e.g., "Scripture alone"), compromised morally (e.g., contraception, divorce), and unbiblically schismatic, anarchical, and relativistic. I don't therefore believe that Protestantism is all bad (not by a long shot), but these are some of the major deficiencies I eventually saw as fatal to the "theory" of Protestantism, over against Catholicism. All Catholics must regard baptized, Nicene, Chalcedonian Protestants as Christians.

Are you seriously talking about compromised morals? Forgive me, but your church says one thing, and does the other. No point in bringing up the destruction of countless children whose souls have been destroyed by Priests acting in the name of God. I have some first hand experience with that.

4. Catholicism isn't formally divided and sectarian (Jn 17:20-23; Rom 16:17; 1 Cor 1:10-13).
Perhaps you should reread John 17 and take in the context.

5. Catholic unity makes Christianity and Jesus more believable to the world (Jn 17:23).

Catholic unity? Where? Where is the unity between Cardinal Burke and Pope Francis? What unity is between Pope JPII and FR. Marcial Maciel Degollado? How about Pope Benedict.

6. Catholicism, because of its unified, complete, fully supernatural Christian vision, mitigates against secularization and humanism.

We have already dispensed with your claim of unity. That statistics say that you are completely in error. Your church is shrinking, thousands of parishes closed.
7. Catholicism avoids an unbiblical individualism which undermines Christian community (e.g., 1 Cor 12:25-26).

Now you are complaining about individualism? We are going to stand before the Lord as individuals. And, since I have no respect for the likes of Pope Leo X, you got what you asked for.

8. Catholicism avoids theological relativism, by means of dogmatic certainty and the centrality of the papacy.

Your dogmas are unbibical.

9. Catholicism avoids ecclesiological anarchism - one cannot merely jump to another denomination when some disciplinary measure or censure is called for.

Isn't this what Pope Francis is doing to Cardinal Burke? Or is it more like paying off victims of the church. Let me clarify, protestants have their own problems and our own errant responses are severely poor.

10. Catholicism formally (although, sadly, not always in practice) prevents the theological relativism which leads to the uncertainties within the Protestant system among laypeople.

Really? What do you call a church that has a rainbow flag leading to the altar? I call it a sinful travesty.

11. Catholicism rejects the "State Church," which has led to governments dominating Christianity rather than vice-versa.

Yes, where would we all be without the inquisitions on BOTH sides. Would you call that effective government?

12. Protestant State Churches greatly influenced the rise of nationalism, which mitigated against universal equality and Christian universalism (i.e., Catholicism).

Don't like the church of England? Me neither.

13. Unified Catholic Christendom (before the 16th century) had not been plagued by the tragic religious wars which in turn led to the "Enlightenment," in which men rejected the hypocrisy of inter-Christian warfare and decided to become indifferent to religion rather than letting it guide their lives.

And you think the Borgia's weren't involved in Christian warfare? How about Popes Stephen VI, Pope John XII, Pope Benedict IX, Pope Boniface VIII, Pope Urban VI, Pope Clement VII

14. Catholicism retains the elements of mystery, supernatural, and the sacred in Christianity, thus opposing itself to secularization, where the sphere of the religious in life becomes greatly limited.

Thank goodness, this is not true. Why aren't you out there trying to recruit people? Why do we need faith when we can have a mystery?

15. Protestant individualism led to the privatization of Christianity, whereby it is little respected in societal and political life, leaving the "public square" barren of Christian influence.

And you think the last 1500 years of sexual abuse regarding children, doesn't give people a warm fuzzy about the integrity of the Catholic Church.

16. The secular false dichotomy of "church vs. world" has led committed orthodox Christians, by and large, to withdraw from politics, leaving a void filled by pagans, cynics, unscrupulous, and power-hungry. Catholicism offers a framework in which to approach the state and civic responsibility.

This is simply not true. How many Catholic politicians are living in adultery and voting 'yea' on the destruction of babies in the womb? What kind of civic responsibility is this? Pope Leo X held every Catholic hostage to his greed and murdering ways.

17. Protestantism leans too much on mere traditions of men (every denomination stems from one Founder's vision. As soon as two or more of these contradict each other, error is necessarily present).

And you think that Pope Stephen VI and Pope Formosus didn't contradict each other?
Do you think that the Apostles Peter and Paul would agree with Pope John XII? Not a chance!

18. Protestant churches (esp. evangelicals), are far too often guilty of putting their pastors on too high of a pedestal. In effect, every pastor becomes a "pope," to varying degrees (some are "super-popes"). Because of this, evangelical congregations often experience a severe crisis and/or split up when a pastor leaves, thus proving that their philosophy is overly man-centered, rather than God-centered.

Remind me. Who started this? Who caused the schism? How about the SSPX? Define 'evangelical'.

19. Protestantism, due to lack of real authority and dogmatic structure, is tragically prone to accommodation to the spirit of the age, and moral faddism.
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20. Catholicism retains apostolic succession, necessary to know what is true Christian apostolic Tradition. It was the criterion of Christian truth used by the early Christians.

21. Many Protestants take a dim view towards Christian history in general, esp. the years from 313 (Constantine's conversion) to 1517 (Luther's arrival). This ignorance and hostility to Catholic Tradition leads to theological relativism, anti-Catholicism, and a constant, unnecessary process of "reinventing the wheel."

22. Protestantism from its inception was anti-Catholic, and remains so to this day (esp. evangelicalism). This is obviously wrong and unbiblical if Catholicism is indeed Christian (if it isn't, then - logically - neither is Protestantism, which inherited the bulk of its theology from Catholicism). The Catholic Church, on the other hand, is not anti-Protestant.

23. The Catholic Church accepts the authority of the great Ecumenical Councils (see, e.g., Acts 15) which defined and developed Christian doctrine (much of which Protestantism also accepts).

24. Most Protestants do not have bishops, a Christian office which is biblical (1 Tim 3:1-2) and which has existed from the earliest Christian history and Tradition.

25. Protestantism has no way of settling doctrinal issues definitively. At best, the individual Protestant can only take a head count of how many Protestant scholars, commentators, etc. take such-and-such a view on Doctrine X, Y, or Z. There is no unified Protestant Tradition.

26. Protestantism arose in 1517, and is a "Johnny-come-lately" in the history of Christianity. Therefore it cannot possibly be the "restoration" of "pure", "primitive" Christianity, since this is ruled out by the fact of its absurdly late appearance. Christianity must have historic continuity or it is not Christianity. Protestantism is necessarily a "parasite" of Catholicism, historically and doctrinally speaking.

27. The Protestant notion of the "invisible church" is also novel in the history of Christianity and foreign to the Bible (Mt 5:14; Mt 16:18), therefore untrue.

28. When Protestant theologians speak of the teaching of early Christianity (e.g., when refuting "cults"), they say "the Church taught . . ." (as it was then unified), but when they refer to the present they instinctively and inconsistently refrain from such terminology, since universal teaching authority now clearly resides only in the Catholic Church.

29. The Protestant principle of private judgment has created a milieu (esp. in Protestant America) in which (invariably) man-centered "cults" such as Jehovah's Witnesses, Mormonism, and Christian Science arise. The very notion that one can "start" a new, or "the true" Church is Protestant to the core.

30. The lack of a definitive teaching authority in Protestant (as with the Catholic magisterium) makes many individual Protestants think that they have a direct line to God, notwithstanding all of Christian Tradition and the history of biblical exegesis (a "Bible, Holy Spirit and me" mentality). Such people are generally under-educated theologically, unteachable, lack humility, and have no business making presumed "infallible" statements about the nature of Christianity.

Just more Catholic talking points. Most are patently UNTRUE.
 

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I'm not angry at homosexuals, I'm angry about it being accepted by your church. It's not just a mere recognition that they are disordered, but that the church celebrates it. Liars, fornicators, adulterers, thiefs, and murderers do not have their sin celebrated I've no doubt I sit among them in church. Often I'm guilty of sin as well, but the Pastor calls sin... what it is, sin.

Unless Almighty God intervenes, your church is dead. So are protestants who entertain such sin. The is getting smaller and smaller. Only the true bride of Christ will remain. That church is for all who love and obey His words and have their hearts and minds fixed on Jesus, the author and perfecter of the faith.
I can't make you read and understand my post. I clearly stated that homosexual behavor is not accepted. Your problem is not being able to tell the difference between being and doing so you go off on a rant.
 
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Just more Catholic talking points. Most are patently UNTRUE.
They are not meant for each and every single Protestant church, but they are generalizations that apply to a large % of Protestants....certainly not yours.

31. Evangelicalism's "techniques" of evangelism are often contrived and manipulative, certainly not directly derived from the text of the Bible. Some even resemble brainwashing to a degree.

32. The gospel preached by many evangelical Protestant evangelists and pastors is a truncated and abridged, individualistic and ear-tickling gospel, in effect merely "fire insurance" rather than the biblical gospel as proclaimed by the Apostles.

33. Evangelicalism often separates profound, life-transforming repentance and radical discipleship from its gospel message. The Lutheran Bonhoeffer called this "cheap grace."

34. The absence of the idea of submission to spiritual authority in Protestantism has leaked over into the civic arena, where the ideas of personal "freedom," "rights," and "choice" now dominate to such an extent that civic duty, communitarianism, and discipline are tragically neglected, to the detriment of a healthy society.

35. Catholicism retains the sense of the sacred, the sublime, the holy, and the beautiful in spirituality. The ideas of altar, and "sacred space" are preserved. Many Protestant churches are no more than "meeting halls" or "gymnasiums" or "barn"-type structures. Most Protestants' homes are more esthetically striking than their churches. Likewise, Protestants are often "addicted to mediocrity" in their appreciation of art, music, architecture, drama, the imagination, etc.

36. Protestantism has largely neglected the place of liturgy in worship (with notable exceptions such as Anglicanism and Lutheranism). This is the way Christians had always worshiped down through the centuries, and thus can't be so lightly dismissed.

37. Protestantism tends to oppose matter and spirit, favoring the latter, and is somewhat Gnostic or Docetic in this regard.

38. Catholicism upholds the "incarnational principle," wherein Jesus became flesh and thus raised flesh and matter to new spiritual heights.

39. Protestantism greatly limits or disbelieves in sacramentalism, which is simply the extension of the incarnational principle and the belief that matter can convey grace. Some sects (e.g., Baptists, many Pentecostals) reject all sacraments.

40. Protestants' excessive mistrust of the flesh ("carnality") often leads to (in evangelicalism or fundamentalism) an absurd legalism (no dancing, drinking, card-playing, rock music, etc.).
 
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41. Many Protestants tend to separate life into categories of "spiritual" and "carnal," as if God is not Lord of all of life. It forgets that all non-sinful endeavors are ultimately spiritual.

42. Protestantism has removed the Eucharist from the center and focus of Christian worship services. Some Protestants observe it only monthly, or even quarterly. This is against the Tradition of the early Church.

43. Most Protestants regard the Eucharist symbolically, which is contrary to universal Christian Tradition up to 1517, and the Bible (Mt 26:26-28;Jn 6:47-63; 1 Cor 10:14-22; 1 Cor 11:23-30), which hold to the Real Presence (another instance of the antipathy to matter).

44. Protestantism has virtually ceased to regard marriage as a sacrament, contrary to Christian Tradition and the Bible (Mt 19:4-5; 1 Cor 7:14; 1 Cor 7:39; Eph 5:25-33).

45. Protestantism has abolished the priesthood (Mt 18:18) and the sacrament of ordination, contrary to Christian Tradition and the Bible (Acts 6:6; Acts 14:22; 1 Tim 4:14; 2 Tim 1:6).

46. Catholicism retains the Pauline notion of the spiritual practicality of a celibate clergy (e.g., Mt 19:12, 1 Cor 7:8, 1 Cor 7:27, 1 Cor 7:32-33).

47. Protestantism has largely rejected the sacrament of confirmation (Acts 8:18, Heb 6:2-4), contrary to Christian Tradition and the Bible.

48. Many Protestants have denied infant baptism, contrary to Christian Tradition and the Bible (Acts 2:38-39; Acts 16:15; Acts 16:33; Acts 18:8;1 Cor 1:16; Col 2:11-12). Protestantism is divided into five major camps on the question of baptism.

49. The great majority of Protestants deny baptismal regeneration, contrary to Christian Tradition and the Bible (Mk 16:16; Jn 3:5; Acts 2:38;Acts 22:16; Rom 6:3-4; 1 Cor 6:11; Titus 3:5).
 
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Christians know there is only one God,
Christians Know that Jesus Christ is Lord of all
Christians know there is but one "church: that Jesus is building and that "He" alone is teh head.
Christians know they have one mediator betwween them and God, the man Jesus Christ who alone was given that right.
Christians know that salvation is through Christ alone, something no religion can do.
Christians Know they just need to speak and Jeus will hear them even God because of Christ we have access to God
Christians Know that Christ sent His Holy Spirit to all thsoe who believe so that they can know teh truth, because the truth is in Jesus Christ
Christians know that life is in Christ alone for He said that teh truth will set you free and He being teh truth is teh one who frees man.
Christian know there is no other way but Christ for as Jesus said

Joh 10:1 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber.
Joh 10:2 But he that entereth in by the door is the shepherd of the sheep.
Joh 10:3 To him the porter openeth; and the sheep hear his voice: and he calleth his own sheep by name, and leadeth them out.
Joh 10:4 And when he putteth forth his own sheep, he goeth before them, and the sheep follow him: for they know his voice.
Joh 10:5 And a stranger will they not follow, but will flee from him: for they know not the voice of strangers.

Christians cannot follow men, because Jesus is teh light of teh world and all who follow Him cannot walk in darkiness for they are children of the light.
 

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Co_13:11 When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.

Than I grew up but some never do.

1Co 3:1 And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ.
1Co 3:2 I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able.
1Co 3:3 For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?
1Co 3:4 For while one saith, I am of Paul; and another, I am of Apollos; are ye not carnal?

When you stand before Christ on that day of judgement, will He still not be enough for you????

Dear Sir,

You did what scripture says to do; repent and baptized... (Acts 2:38).

The person who baptized you did what scripture says to do; ....baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost (Matt. 28:19).

Are you now saying when you went to a man in a church to be baptized you were an ignorant child? You have now put away those childish things and you NOW realize you didn't need to get baptized by a man in a church?

Mary!