Can We Honor Jesus Christ Through His Mother Mary? a debate

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It's only "foolish" when you have no answer . . .
Yes you should know.

I know which Church Breadoflife chooses. Which Church do you choose?


I think she like us christians choose Jesus over men and His doctrines, because He is enough since He is all and in all. Church has nothing on Jesus,

Cant save anyone
Doesnt have the truth because He is teh truth
Has no life because life is only in him
Cant forgive any one because that is given to JEesus and God.
And Christ is the Head of His church and those who belong to Him will have no man between Him and them because they love Him and He must be first above all.

Isaiah 30:1Woe to the rebellious children, saith the Lord, that take counsel, but not of me; and that cover with a covering, but not of my spirit, that they may add sin to sin:

YEs we take counsel from Christ not men who you just proclaimed are all sinners, God is not deaf neithert is Christ that whyy we talk to them, they can hear. Not like the naughty children

Hey Mary i asked dad for a lolly wont give me one, can you ask Him for me.

If Christ is not enough for you now He will never be enough, If He is not first He may as well be last.
 
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I agree. We should avoid a factious man after a first and second warning. This passage mirrors Matthew 18:17 which goes on to say we should let The Church decide.

I know which Church Breadoflife chooses. Which Church do you choose?

The church is filled with people whose hearts and minds devoted to Him. The Catholic Church is not the church, Jesus was speaking of. I know this because Jesus said His church would prevail. You, know even the gates of hell, could not destroy it.

But your church is dead. It is infested with homosexuals, even parishes that claim they are gay approving. Your pope is a socialist and he is not the first.

Along comes Michael Voris. I admit that he uses every opportunity to bash protestants, he also bashes the Catholic Church.

Look at what Catholic students did at their Catholic schools. The Bishop loved the heresy so much, he graced the walls of a Cathedral with what is clearly Catholic heresy.

 

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Yes you should know.




I think she like us christians choose Jesus over men and His doctrines, because He is enough since He is all and in all. Church has nothing on Jesus,

Cant save anyone
Doesnt have the truth because He is teh truth
Has no life because life is only in him
Cant forgive any one because that is given to JEesus and God.
And Christ is the Head of His church and those who belong to Him will have no man between Him and them because they love Him and He must be first above all.



YEs we take counsel from Christ not men who you just proclaimed are all sinners, God is not deaf neithert is Christ that whyy we talk to them, they can hear. Not like the naughty children

Hey Mary i asked dad for a lolly wont give me one, can you ask Him for me.

If Christ is not enough for you now He will never be enough, If He is not first He may as well be last.

Yes, Jesus is enough. He is preeminent.

 

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The church is filled with people whose hearts and minds devoted to Him. The Catholic Church is not the church, Jesus was speaking of. I know this because Jesus said His church would prevail. You, know even the gates of hell, could not destroy it.

But your church is dead. It is infested with homosexuals, even parishes that claim they are gay approving. Your pope is a socialist and he is not the first.

Along comes Michael Voris. I admit that he uses every opportunity to bash protestants, he also bashes the Catholic Church.

Look at what Catholic students did at their Catholic schools. The Bishop loved the heresy so much, he graced the walls of a Cathedral with what is clearly Catholic heresy.

You are right. All the Christian Churches in the world are filled with people whose hearts and minds are devoted to him, have homosexuals in them, some are gay approving and some even have socialist leaders or worse.

There is even one diocese of the Catholic Church in California that has allowed their students to grace their walls of a Cathedral with heresy. I'm sure there are some Protestant churches that have done the same.

You interjected your opinion into this conversation but you didn't answer the question. I get it...Your anti- Catholic. What you wrote is simply boring, repeated rhetoric that i can read anywhere. With all due respect...Your like a broken record.

Can you answer the question: Which church do you choose?

Respectfully...Mary
 

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You are right. All the Christian Churches in the world are filled with people whose hearts and minds are devoted to him, have homosexuals in them, some are gay approving and some even have socialist leaders or worse.

There is even one diocese of the Catholic Church in California that has allowed their students to grace their walls of a Cathedral with heresy. I'm sure there are some Protestant churches that have done the same.

You interjected your opinion into this conversation but you didn't answer the question. I get it...Your anti- Catholic. What you wrote is simply boring, repeated rhetoric that i can read anywhere. With all due respect...Your like a broken record.

Can you answer the question: Which church do you choose?

Respectfully...Mary

I choose the Church that Jesus Christ founded. It is filled with people who seek to adore and honor Him completely. I simply do not believe that the Catholic Church is that church.

Think James White, Jeff Durbin, John MacArthur, Phillip Johnson, Fred Butler, and of course the Apostle Paul.

I think that you will agree that Jeff Durbin does a great job on explaining the relationship of faith to works.


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So leats not play the deviils advocate, and make it clear not to deceive the people, that the "ecclesia" that He is creating is not the same as "mens" churches that teh catholic church is only one of with all her offspring teh protestant religions. I choose Jesus, as He made it quiet clear,

Mat 20:25 But Jesus called them unto him, and said, Ye know that the princes of the Gentiles exercise dominion over them, and they that are great exercise authority upon them.
Mat 20:26 But it shall not be so among you

Just to make sure you didnt miss itt

Mat 20:26 But it shall not be so among you

Luk_16:13 No servant can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.

So ill serve Christ, he is sufficient for me, Who do you choose Jesus or your church??? whom will you serve, who is it you will Love and who is it you will despise. Its one or teh other. Can your church save you???
 
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Who do you choose Jesus or your church???

I still don't understand your insistence that if a person is a member of a Christian church, he hasn't chosen Jesus. Is that what you are saying?
 

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I still don't understand your insistence that if a person is a member of a Christian church, he hasn't chosen Jesus. Is that what you are saying?
Have you read about the wheat and teh tares, how one looks like teh other, but not till the harvest will the tares be removed. Do you think that just because one goes to church it makes them a christian, One is a christian when one follows christ, wwe are eithe runder Him or under a religion. either Christ is your head or the pastor of a church. We must choose whom we serve.
 

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Your anti- Catholic
Big difference between anti catholic and anti catholism. Catholics like to make it all about them, but its not, its about teh religion which oposses Chri8st which by all ruling makes it.. il let you figures that part out.
 

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Have you read about the wheat and teh tares, how one looks like teh other, but not till the harvest will the tares be removed. Do you think that just because one goes to church it makes them a christian, One is a christian when one follows christ, wwe are eithe runder Him or under a religion. either Christ is your head or the pastor of a church. We must choose whom we serve.

I agree about the wheat and the tares. But, no, I don't think "that just because one goes to church it makes them a christian".

You said: "either Christ is your head or the pastor of a church". No, not true. The pastor of the church I attend is not "another Christ", I don't worship the pastor and he would be appalled if someone tried to do that. God has appointed elders to spiritually shepherd His people and the church began in the book of Acts. You quote many Bible verses, praise the Lord that you do that, but how about all the verses which talk about the church? No, I'm not listing them. The church of God isn't only spiritual (the wheat), it is physical (wheat and tares).
 

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The church of God isn't only spiritual
Oh but it is, have you ever wondered why Jesus never spoke of pastors or prophets, it is because He came to change everything. No more carnal mens religions now only to be spiritual, why do you think it says,

Rom 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
Rom 8:15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
Rom 8:16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:

Its because of what happened at pentecost. Jesus doesnt need church, that is a man made institution that keeps men from God, always has and always will.

Mat 20:25 But Jesus called them unto him, and said, Ye know that the princes of the Gentiles exercise dominion over them, and they that are great exercise authority upon them.
Mat 20:26 But it shall not be so among you: but whosoever will be great among you, let him be your minister;

See God gave us a king to rule and rein over us but just as teh Jews rejected God to rule over them men have rejected Christ

1Sa_10:19 And ye have this day rejected your God, who himself saved you out of all your adversities and your tribulations; and ye have said unto him, Nay, but set a king over us. Now therefore present yourselves before the LORD by your tribes, and by your thousands.

There is only one way to Heaven, it is Jesus, not religion, not church none of that can save anyone,

Joh_14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me

and

Joh 10:1 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber.
Joh 10:2 But he that entereth in by the door is the shepherd of the sheep.
Joh 10:3 To him the porter openeth; and the sheep hear his voice: and he calleth his own sheep by name, and leadeth them out.
Joh 10:4 And when he putteth forth his own sheep, he goeth before them, and the sheep follow him: for they know his voice.
Joh 10:5 And a stranger will they not follow, but will flee from him: for they know not the voice of strangers.

So which way are you going to go in. You must choose who will be head over you, now and when the trouble comes, for no man will be able to help you in the day of sorrows.
 

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Oh but it is, have you ever wondered why Jesus never spoke of pastors or prophets, it is because He came to change everything. No more carnal mens religions now only to be spiritual, why do you think it says,

Rom 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
Rom 8:15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
Rom 8:16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:

Its because of what happened at pentecost. Jesus doesnt need church, that is a man made institution that keeps men from God, always has and always will.

Mat 20:25 But Jesus called them unto him, and said, Ye know that the princes of the Gentiles exercise dominion over them, and they that are great exercise authority upon them.
Mat 20:26 But it shall not be so among you: but whosoever will be great among you, let him be your minister;

See God gave us a king to rule and rein over us but just as teh Jews rejected God to rule over them men have rejected Christ

1Sa_10:19 And ye have this day rejected your God, who himself saved you out of all your adversities and your tribulations; and ye have said unto him, Nay, but set a king over us. Now therefore present yourselves before the LORD by your tribes, and by your thousands.

There is only one way to Heaven, it is Jesus, not religion, not church none of that can save anyone,

Joh_14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me

and

Joh 10:1 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber.
Joh 10:2 But he that entereth in by the door is the shepherd of the sheep.
Joh 10:3 To him the porter openeth; and the sheep hear his voice: and he calleth his own sheep by name, and leadeth them out.
Joh 10:4 And when he putteth forth his own sheep, he goeth before them, and the sheep follow him: for they know his voice.
Joh 10:5 And a stranger will they not follow, but will flee from him: for they know not the voice of strangers.

So which way are you going to go in. You must choose who will be head over you, now and when the trouble comes, for no man will be able to help you in the day of sorrows.

Thanks for the exhortation and the great scripture quotes.

No verse you quoted even hints that Christians are not to gather together to: worship God, pray corporately, fellowship with other Christians, hear the Word preached, and participate in the table of the Lord (communion).

I guess we disagree.
 

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I choose the Church that Jesus Christ founded. It is filled with people who seek to adore and honor Him completely. I simply do not believe that the Catholic Church is that church.

Think James White, Jeff Durbin, John MacArthur, Phillip Johnson, Fred Butler, and of course the Apostle Paul.

I think that you will agree that Jeff Durbin does a great job on explaining the relationship of faith to works.


God Bless.
Which Church is that?
 

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Yes you should know.

I think she like us christians choose Jesus over men and His doctrines, because He is enough since He is all and in all. Church has nothing on Jesus,

Cant save anyone
Doesnt have the truth because He is teh truth
Has no life because life is only in him
Cant forgive any one because that is given to JEesus and God.
And Christ is the Head of His church and those who belong to Him will have no man between Him and them because they love Him and He must be first above all.

YEs we take counsel from Christ not men who you just proclaimed are all sinners, God is not deaf neithert is Christ that whyy we talk to them, they can hear. Not like the naughty children

Hey Mary i asked dad for a lolly wont give me one, can you ask Him for me.

If Christ is not enough for you now He will never be enough, If He is not first He may as well be last.
Who baptized you?
 

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Who baptized you?
Long Story, Guess you missed it. Was born and raised a "catholic" baptised as an infant, did, confession communion was evn an altart boy one or twice, even got married in a catholic church, my 3 children where also baptised there, than in 1979 I found Jesus and became a christian, Before that all i did was do what mum did, had no idea who Jesus was. AS for baptim it accounted to nough, for simply a child is not capable of making teh decision, tha tis only something an older person can do. Might be nice tradition but accounts bfor nought in God kingdom.

Than I was baptised in a christian church, in teh midle of winter, was able to because I Knew Christ and could make teh informed decision to do so, but I really dont belive it meant much, becaue you see te hdeisciples where the first to be properly baptised at pentcost,

Luk_3:16 John answered, saying unto them all, I indeed baptize you with water; but one mightier than I cometh, the latchet of whose shoes I am not worthy to unloose: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost and with fire:

and pentecost

This is tue baptism, being made sons of God thorugh receiving the Holy Spirit.

Act 11:15 And as I began to speak, the Holy Ghost fell on them, as on us at the beginning.
Act 11:16 Then remembered I the word of the Lord, how that he said, John indeed baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost.
Act 11:17 Forasmuch then as God gave them the like gift as he did unto us, who believed on the Lord Jesus Christ; what was I, that I could withstand God?

Jesus changed everything but men prefer the old flehy religion to teh Holy Spirit and JEsus, who was given to rule and reign over us. King of King Lord of Lords.

Rom 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
Rom 8:8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
 

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Long Story, Guess you missed it. Was born and raised a "catholic" baptised as an infant, did, confession communion was evn an altart boy one or twice, even got married in a catholic church, my 3 children where also baptised there, than in 1979 I found Jesus and became a christian, Before that all i did was do what mum did, had no idea who Jesus was. AS for baptim it accounted to nough, for simply a child is not capable of making teh decision, tha tis only something an older person can do. Might be nice tradition but accounts bfor nought in God kingdom.

Than I was baptised in a christian church, in teh midle of winter, was able to because I Knew Christ and could make teh informed decision to do so, but I really dont belive it meant much, becaue you see te hdeisciples where the first to be properly baptised at pentcost,

Luk_3:16 John answered, saying unto them all, I indeed baptize you with water; but one mightier than I cometh, the latchet of whose shoes I am not worthy to unloose: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost and with fire:

and pentecost

This is tue baptism, being made sons of God thorugh receiving the Holy Spirit.

Act 11:15 And as I began to speak, the Holy Ghost fell on them, as on us at the beginning.
Act 11:16 Then remembered I the word of the Lord, how that he said, John indeed baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost.
Act 11:17 Forasmuch then as God gave them the like gift as he did unto us, who believed on the Lord Jesus Christ; what was I, that I could withstand God?

Jesus changed everything but men prefer the old flehy religion to teh Holy Spirit and JEsus, who was given to rule and reign over us. King of King Lord of Lords.

Rom 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
Rom 8:8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
If all you need is Jesus then why did you go to a man in a church to get baptized?