Can we know the day and hour of Jesus' return?

[The Light]

On the other hand once the resurrection/rapture happens...and then the treaty is in effect...we can count the days till Jesus physical coming to earth as told about in Rev 19.

This is incorrect. The rapture has absolutely nothing to with a treaty being in effect.

The 7 year covenant with many is what begins the final week. The rapture of the Church will occur after the week begins and before the great tribulation.

 

[CrowCross]

IMO, it is absurd that there could be this time marker, a Pretrib rapture in this case, that then begins the countdown to the hour and day of His return.

We don't know the day or hour. of Jesus' return at the resurrection/rapture event.

If that scenario was possible, Jesus would not have said no man knows the day or the hour.

That's right we don't know the day or hour of the resurrection/rapture event.

It would make Him a liar and a false prophet,

No, It would mean we don't know the day or hour of the resurrection/rapture event.

When you begin with a false premise then try and use that false premise to prove the point

No, it simply points out that we don't know the day or hour of the resurrection/rapture event.

 

[CrowCross]

The 70th week begins and Jesus ministers 3.5 years and then is cut off. That leaves 3.5 years.

I confirmed this with Daniel 12 which says there is time, times and a half until all is complete

Show how this confirms.
What is the day of the first week and what day did Jesus start His ministry.

All you have done is thrown out numbers...then made a claim.

 

[CrowCross]

This is incorrect. The rapture has absolutely nothing to with a treaty being in effect.

No...2nd Thes 2 says the gathering...the departure...rapture...restrainer removed happens prior to the treaty.

The 7 year covenant with many is what begins the final week. The rapture of the Church will occur after the week begins and before the great tribulation.

Where is your verses that explain this???????

 

[TribulationSigns]

That seems to be a nasty thing to say about another christian.

Not if its the truth. Yes, the pretribulation rapture doctrine is false and is NOT gospel.

 

[TribulationSigns]

Tell that to the Essenes Jews.

Huh? That is a strange appeal to the Essenes, because it does absolutely nothing to prove your interpretation of Revelation.

Yes, the Qumran community associated by many scholars with the Essenes used a 364-day solar calendar. But their calendar was a sectarian practice, not a divine command telling Christians how to interpret the numbers in Revelation.

More importantly, you have not answered my actual argument. Where does Revelation itself say that its “1,260 days,” “42 months,” or “time, times, and half a time” must be converted into 3½ literal solar years and inserted into a prophetic calendar? Simply pointing to the Essenes doesn't establish that.

You're committing a basic category error: an ancient Jewish sect having a calendar does not prove that John's apocalyptic numbers are intended as a literal chronological timetable.

And there is another problem with your argument: even the identification of the Qumran community with the Essenes is a scholarly conclusion, not an indisputable fact. The Library of Congress notes that many scholars make that identification while others argue that the evidence is insufficient to attribute all the sectarian material to one group.

So if you want to establish that Revelation teaches 3½ literal years, don't appeal to the Essenes. Show it from Revelation. Demonstrate from the text itself that John intended these numbers as a literal calendar calculation rather than apocalyptic symbolism.

Until you can do that, “Tell that to the Essenes” isn't an argument. It's a distraction from the exegetical question.

Scripture must govern the interpretation—not the Essenes, not a prophetic chart, and not a doctrinal system imposed upon the text.

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