Can you be pro-choice and still be a Christian?

[amadeus]

I'm a little cynical on this topic. I looked up some figures not so long ago, (but pre-covid) and it seems there are around as many deaths around the world by hunger and hunger related causes as there are by abortion. It seems to me that Americans, who are the wealthiest nation on Earth, with over a million millionaires, don't want to talk about hunger deaths, only abortion deaths. As I search my all too human nature, I know I find it similarly all too easy to condemn those who sin in different ways than me. Ideally, there would be neither hunger deaths nor abortion deaths, but this moral equivalence in preventable deaths seems to have escaped America, and failing ethical explanations to the contrary, I am tempted to think that the difference is because those millionaires and wanna-be-millionaires find it cheap to condemn abortion, whereas it would be expensive to end hunger and it might even have an impact on their swollen bank balances.

Best wishes, 2RM.

Would you blame only those millionaires and the wanna-be's for the short comings of Americans?

"For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;" Rom 3:23

 

[LTJMP14]

In saying all this, in today's world, the pro-life battle has been loss, I believe the majority has spoken in many countries and have gotten what they want legalized.

This is nothing new though. People have lived their own ways all throughout history. Just because something becomes legal, it doesn't mean it's the Lord's way.

Could you imagine, all that's going on today, was probably legal to the Philistines and Babylonian's world and much more probably was legal also...

The prolife battle is not lost, for that is part of the battle for souls, and that battle will not end until God returns to exact judgment on those that rejected HIM.

 

[LTJMP14]

Another one of your many misunderstandings and errors of translation.

But since I seem to be "prohibited" from responding in other threads to your errors, the high level statement will simply have to do.

Enjoy your very hollow victory because its the only way you can achieve one.

How does communicating with others on this forum have anything to do with victory or defeat in your mind? Does it have anything to do with your superiority complex?

 

[ChristisGod]

Another one of your many misunderstandings and errors of translation.

But since I seem to be "prohibited" from responding in other threads to your errors, the high level statement will simply have to do.

Enjoy your very hollow victory because its the only way you can achieve one.

Yes you rebuttals are so profound. Ad Hominems are what people do that cannot give a cogent response. You seem to be a specialist in that field since every post is a personal attack. You never discuss the scriptures in question and when you do on rare occasions its your opinion which is eisegesis which is not an apologetic.

hope this helps !!!

 

[Truman]

I believe that you may disagree with me, and that I'll defend your right to do so.
Turn it around, and I have the right to disagree with you.
At some point, each one of us has to draw a line.
I draw it between the born and the unborn.
I have earned the right to say this.

 

[An Apologetic Sheepdog]

Yes you rebuttals are so profound. Ad Hominems are what people do that cannot give a cogent response. You seem to be a specialist in that field since every post is a personal attack. You never discuss the scriptures in question and when you do on rare occasions its your opinion which is eisegesis which is not an apologetic.

That's not correct and we both know it.

 

[Josho]

Call it what it is: murder. Someone who calls themself Christian and believes it is okay to murder an innocent human being is a liar, imo not a Christian.

We are all created Imago Dei, and no murderer will inherit the kingdom of God. What did Jesus say about a millstone tied around the neck of those that harm the little ones?

I believe it is possible for some Christians to be genuinely ignorant or deceived about this topic though.

But yes it is murder.


Then again what's your view? Is supporting the act equal to commiting the act?

 

[2ndRateMind]

Would you blame only those millionaires and the wanna-be's for the short comings of Americans?

No, only the Republicans among them.

Best wishes, 2RM.

 

[Truman]

We should all consider being libertarians...IMHO.

 

[Josho]

I believe it is possible for some Christians to be genuinely ignorant or deceived about this topic though.

There is a whole lot of deception out there about when life starts, some genuinely believe that it doesn't start until the baby is born.

If a Christian has this wrong belief, do they go to Hell? I don't think so. I don't think it's a belief that effects a Christian's salvation.

 

[Mantis]

Before I was a Christian I really didn’t give a thought to abortion. Since becoming a Christian I had a very vividly real dream where my deceased grandmother was crying and was very distraught that I had caused an abortion. Well come to find out that a one night stand that I had with someone (pre Christian days) ended up with her pregnancy which she terminated without my knowledge. I didn’t know I had impregnated her and I didn’t know she had an abortion. That baby’s death is one me. God sent my own deceased grandmother to let me know how much he cares for the unborn. I have given lots of money to anti abortion outfits like the ones that show a sonogram of the baby to mothers. To know how much my stupid decisions effected others lives was very convicting. My past is my past and that’s not me anymore. I am reborn. And I can definitely say that you cannot support abortion and know the heart of God. Maybe a new Christian that doesn’t really know Gods heart may pro abortion but I just see it as a horrible spiritual crime. A spiritual crime that people don’t realize how much it hurts God’s heart.

Now don’t get me wrong, everyone is redeemable. If anyone has had an abortion don’t feel like there is no hope. God can forgive you, he still loves you and I believe he can give you a chance to see your child in heaven.

 

[David H.]

No, only the Republicans among them.

Best wishes, 2RM.

Capitalism has done more to end world hunger and lead to the feeding of the current population boom Than communism has ever done. All You have to do is look at what happened in the communist states in the last century to see this and the mass killings done in these countries.

 

[Josho]

The prolife battle is not lost, for that is part of the battle for souls, and that battle will not end until God returns to exact judgment on those that rejected HIM.

Ah yes this is correct, but I was referring to the pro-life battle against abortions and euthanasia, which we both know is murder.

 

[ChristisGod]

That's not correct and we both know it.

It’s 100% true. You just demonstrated it in this thread just as you have done numerous times in the Holy Spirit thread

 

[LTJMP14]

I believe it is possible for some Christians to be genuinely ignorant or deceived about this topic though.

But yes it is murder.


Then again what's your view? Is supporting the act equal to commiting the act?

You tell me.

Your question evokes memories of photographs I first saw as a child, when I was too young to truly understand why none of those men in the crowd did anything to stop the lynching of that young black man. The photograph showed them all as they proudly gathered around for a group photo with a dead black man hanging from a tree.

Now I understand: they all supported the murder of someone they hated simply because of the color of his skin. Those that stood around and watched are as guilty as those that put the noose around that young man's neck and those that yanked that rope until that man was high off the ground.

Can abortion be forgiven? Jesus said one sin only is unpardonable. But that's not the question here. The question here is: Can you be one among the crowd supporting the murder of the unborn and still be a Christian?

 

[Truman]

I believe abortion is murder. Having said that, I believe that if we keep trying to force our way of thinking, however righteous, on others, we're going to end up fighting and killing each other. So I reluctantly support freedom of choice. I can't believe I'm saying this.

 

[LTJMP14]

I believe abortion is murder. Having said that, I believe that if we keep trying to force our way of thinking, however righteous, on others, we're going to end up fighting and killing each other. So I reluctantly support freedom of choice. I can't believe I'm saying this.

It's a contradiction, what you said. Why not allow men the freedom of choice to murder one another if it's permissible to have the freedom of choice to murder the unborn?

 

[Truman]

If you can put the jack back in the box, go for it.
We need a compromise (no, I'm not saying a Christian should compromise their beliefs) that we all can live with.
Otherwise, we will see a civil war.
The way things are going, it's not going to make a difference what any of us think.
It is my contention that there are forces that are turning us against each other.
When one is standing in the woods, they can't see the shape of the forest.

 

[Grailhunter]

Can you support pro-choice and abortion and still be a Christian?

I would say that its possible to be a Christian who is saved and be severely wrong on worldview issues. But I could be wrong.

There are a lot of Christians who don't have biblical values. Are all of them not saved?

If not, please explain. I realize the road is narrow but isn't salvation based on the belief in the salvation of Christ and His Lordship and not on having the correct worldview?

I believe abortion is a grave sin, one of the defining moral issues of our time. But I think its possible for someone to hold the wrong view but they simply haven't developed a biblical worldview and be ignorant of its importance.

What do you think?

Can you be pro-choice and still be a Christian? Absolutely!
Can you be a Christian and find yourself in hell? Absolutely!

You say that there are a lot of Christians who don't have biblical values.
What do you call a Christian that does not have biblical values? Hell bound!

 

[David H.]

If you can put the jack back in the box, go for it.
We need a compromise (no, I'm not saying a Christian should compromise their beliefs) that we all can live with.
Otherwise, we will see a civil war.
The way things are going, it's not going to make a difference what any of us think.
It is my contention that there are forces that are turning us against each other.
When one is standing in the woods, they can't see the shape of the forest.

what we need is a nationwide revival. watch the second video I posted on this post....
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