Can you separate yourself from your doctrines? - Who are you really?

[St. SteVen]

What if the fundamentalist beliefs are true?

I would rather be wrong than be a fundamentalist.
I consider myself to be a recovering evangelical.

What if the 5 solars are a true reflection of scripture?

I think you meant "solas".
(I only have two sons) - LOL

If the five solas are true, then Luther nailed it.

What then of your believes?

I'll have to apologize to God for having such a high regard for His character.

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[Wick Stick]

If what we believe DOES define who we are, then the logical corollary is, when someone rejects our beliefs, they are rejecting us.

That's why it's better to define oneself in terms of WHO we trust, rather than WHAT we believe.

Draw your horses!

It started so well...

 

[St. SteVen]

If what we believe DOES define who we are, then the logical corollary is, when someone rejects our beliefs, they are rejecting us.

BINGO!

 

[St. SteVen]

Lambano said:
If what we believe DOES define who we are, then the logical corollary is, when someone rejects our beliefs, they are rejecting us.

That's why it's better to define oneself in terms of WHO we trust, rather than WHAT we believe.

Agree.
- Not doctrine
- Not denomination
- Not church
- Not a religious leader
- Not the Bible
- Not your pet translation
- Only God as known personally to you

If they blow the planet out from under our feet....

... if you have Jesus, you have everything.

 

[Lambano]

That's why it's better to define oneself in terms of WHO we trust, rather than WHAT we believe.

But WHO we trust is defined by WHAT we believe about the one whom we trust. The two are intertwined like lovers on a park bench.

 

[Windmill Charge]

I'll have to apologize to God for having such a high regard for His character.

A fine ambition, but one that is hopeless if your doctrine of universalism is incorrect.

There is a delicate balance in scripture between the rigid judgement of God and the Loving, Merciful, Grace of God.

We see the judgement in Acts5:1-11 where a husband and wife lied about what they were giving and in judgement died.

We see the mercy of God in Jesus's dealing with the repentant thief on the cross.

It is not enough to have a sincere belief about God, if that belief is wrong.

 

[St. SteVen]

St. SteVen said:
I'll have to apologize to God for having such a high regard for His character.

A fine ambition, but one that is hopeless if your doctrine of universalism is incorrect.

Universalism isn't a salvation issue. At least not for me.
No one is saved by any of the three doctrines of the final judgement.

There is a delicate balance in scripture between the rigid judgement of God and the Loving, Merciful, Grace of God.

We see the judgement in Acts5:1-11 where a husband and wife lied about what they were giving and in judgement died.

We see the mercy of God in Jesus's dealing with the repentant thief on the cross.

Not sure if "delicate" is the right word.
There is a smiling savagery in the two-faced god that Christianity has embraced.

It is not enough to have a sincere belief about God, if that belief is wrong.

Who will be saved then? Since there is no consensus on what the "right" beliefs are. ???

Would you surrender your own beliefs in the cause of doctrinal unity?

This is a follow-up to the previous topic: Unity of the faith - at what cost? Link below. Probably the biggest roadblock to Christian doctrinal unity is holding on to the freedom we have to determine our own beliefs. Would you surrender your own beliefs in the cause of Christian doctrinal...

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[Jack]

Stevie started 24 consecutive threads in this forum. I can't find even one where Stevie confessed that Jesus is God, Hell is everlasting or the Bible is the Word of God.

 

[St. SteVen]

24?
Closer to 300.

 

[Jack]

24?
Closer to 300.

Even WORSE!

 

[Jack]

"I can't find even one where Stevie confessed that Jesus is God, Hell is everlasting or the Bible is the Word of God."

 

[Windmill Charge]

two-faced god that Christianity has embraced

In what way is God two faced?

 

[St. SteVen]

In what way is God two faced?

Loving heavenly Father and an angry unbridled fury

 

[Windmill Charge]

Loving heavenly Father and an angry unbridled fury

Thank you for answering.

Why do you assume that these are constantly present at the same time and why do you assume that God is incapable of loving someone while also be angry with the actions of someone else.

If God is both Just and loving, there will come a point when the need for justice will over rule his love.
Romans 2:4 shows that God is willing to wait for the effect of his love to influence people, but it also shows that this patience will one day end and that there will be judgement and punishment.

 

[St. SteVen]

Why do you assume that these are constantly present at the same time and why do you assume that God is incapable of loving someone while also be angry with the actions of someone else.

Does God love those who do what He wants and hate those who don't?

If God is both Just and loving, there will come a point when the need for justice will over rule his love.
Romans 2:4 shows that God is willing to wait for the effect of his love to influence people, but it also shows that this patience will one day end and that there will be judgement and punishment.

Overrule His love? That should NEVER happen.

 

[rockytopva]

Same set of doctrine.... Great variety of senior pastor... The question... What is formed in the hearts of the leadership?

My little children, of whom I travail in birth again until Christ be formed in you... - Galatians 4:19

My aggravation is that you can have a wonderful set of religious dogma... And wonderful and terrible people under the same set of rules. When I got saved as a teenager I entered into a Pentecostal Holiness church very much alive. Our preacher was once an evangelist. The song leader and choir were excellent. We had a wonderful youth group who would travel all the time. The people would shout, run the aisles, speak in tongues, and live a wonderful life at home as well. I thought... Oh my! I am going to stay in this state of existence until Gabriel blows his horn and I be called up to glory.

Well... Things did not work out that way. Our Senior Pastor retired and they got a plain and ordinary type of guy. I can't remember the last time we had revival. He bought radio equipment during Covid and expected everyone to listen to his plain and ordinary messages in their car. When I passed by the place to another church Sunday I only saw two cars in the parking lot.

So who am I denominational wise? How about aggravated!

 

[quietthinker]

Can you separate yourself from your doctrines? - Who are you really?​

You mean I gotta give up Greek thinking? hmmm, that's a tough ask.
Which do you suggest is a good way to see (think) things? Chinese, Australian Aboriginal?
Seems like the Hebrew doctrine (thinking) was kill them before they kill us (survival of the fittest was definitely in their genes) in spite of that lovely law, don't kill. Even marching around a City for a week till the walls fell down didn't shock them or stop them from going in and slaughtering men, women, children....and babies with their swords. (I guess what goes around comes around)
Do the others do better?

 

[soberxp]

I may have my own understanding of doctrines, or even formed my own doctrinal framework, but it’s hard to share with anyone—due to differences in linguistic expressions and cultural perceptions.

I wish someone could understand me, yet it seems so unattainable.

Why should I change my way of thinking for others?

However, when it comes to the boundaries of right and wrong, I believe all answers can only be found in God.

It’s just that I haven’t had the chance yet.

 

[Windmill Charge]

Does God love those who do what He wants and hate those who don't?

You know the standard theological answer to this.
That God has a general love for All mankind, seen in his provission of life etc for all and that God hates sin, which if not repented of will lead to judgement.

Overrule His love? That should NEVER happen.

Where did you find that belief?

 

[quietthinker]

I may have my own understanding of doctrines, or even formed my own doctrinal framework, but it’s hard to share with anyone—due to differences in linguistic expressions and cultural perceptions.

I wish someone could understand me, yet it seems so unattainable.

Why should I change my way of thinking for others?

However, when it comes to the boundaries of right and wrong, I believe all answers can only be found in God.

It’s just that I haven’t had the chance yet.

how's the baby?