Catholics; Do You Believe This?

[Taken]

No salvation outside of the Catholic Church?

Correct.

This DOESN'T mean, however, that only "card-carrying" members of the Catholic Church will be saved.
This was explained in Paragraph 847.

* Your reference to those who have not heard, Paragraph 847, is irrelevant to the Point.

Many People, outside of the Catholic Church have HEARD.
Many People, outside of the Catholic Church BELIEVE.
Many People, outside of the Catholic Church Have Become FORGIVEN, SAVED and BAPTIZED in the Holy Spirit.

So AGAIN, Does your Catholic Church teach;
A man outside of the Catholic Church, who IS FORGIVEN, SAVED, BAPTIZED in the Holy Spirit.........IS NOT;
FORGIVEN or
SAVED or
BAPTIZED
In the Holy Spirit......BECAUSE That man IS outside of the Catholic Church?

 

[BreadOfLife]

You can accuse all day long.
You can uplift yourself all day long.

2 Sam 22:
[2] And he said, The LORD is my rock, and my fortress, and my deliverer;
[3] The God of my rock; in him will I trust: he is my shield, and the horn of my salvation, my high tower, and my refuge, my saviour; thou savest me from violence.
[32] For who is God, save the LORD? and who is a rock, save our God?
[47] The LORD liveth; and blessed be my rock; and exalted be the God of the rock of my salvation.
2Sam.23
[3] The God of Israel said, the Rock of Israel spake to me, He that ruleth over men must be just, ruling in the fear of God.

1 Cor 10:
[4] And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.

God is the Rock.
LORD is the Rock.
Lord God Almighty is the Rock of Salvation.
Jesus is the Word of God.
God is the Word of God.
Christ is the Spiritual Rock.
Christ is the Rock of His Church.
Christ’s Church is built upon;
Jesus IS the Christ, the Son of the Living God.

Everything that is Created, Made, Established, Saved, Spiritually Built IS Spiritually Built UPON THE ONE:
ROCK Lord Jesus, ROCK God, ROCK Christ Almighty

Christ’s Church is BUILT upon.
Rock Lord Jesus
Rock God
Rock Christ Almighty

Jesus IS the Christ
Son of the Living God

Your rock Peter, is your choice, just as any man who chooses to establish their spiritual faith upon the created rather than the creator.

I’ll stick with The Lord God Almighty IS MY ROCK!

This reposnse smacks of the spoiled child who will NOT hear the truth over his repeated denials...
Or, better yet - those 3 monkeys . . .

As I showed you before from the Word of God -
- Jesus is the ROCK in very specific instances (1 Cor 10:, 1 Peter 2:7-8).
- Abraham is the ROCK in a very specific instance (Isa. 51:1-2).
- Peter is the ROCK in a very specific instance (Matt. 16:18).

And ALL of your denials won't change that fact . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

No salvation outside of the Catholic Church?

* Your reference to those who have not heard, Paragraph 847, is irrelevant to the Point.

Many People, outside of the Catholic Church have HEARD.
Many People, outside of the Catholic Church BELIEVE.
Many People, outside of the Catholic Church Have Become FORGIVEN, SAVED and BAPTIZED in the Holy Spirit.

So AGAIN, Does your Catholic Church teach;
A man outside of the Catholic Church, who IS FORGIVEN, SAVED, BAPTIZED in the Holy Spirit.........IS NOT;
FORGIVEN or
SAVED or
BAPTIZED
In the Holy Spirit......BECAUSE That man IS outside of the Catholic Church?

I'll give you JESUS'S answer:

Luke 10:16
Whoever listens to YOU listens to ME. Whoever rejects YOU rejects ME. And whoever rejects ME rejects the ONE who sent ME."

If you have a problem with that - take it up with HIM . . .

 

[Taken]

This reposnse smacks of the spoiled child who will NOT hear the truth over his repeated denials...
Or, better yet - those 3 monkeys . . .

As I showed you before from the Word of God -
- Jesus is the ROCK in very specific instances (1 Cor 10:, 1 Peter 2:7-8).
- Abraham is the ROCK in a very specific instance (Isa. 51:1-2).
- Peter is the ROCK in a very specific instance (Matt. 16:18).

And ALL of your denials won't change that fact . . .

My denials Are Against YOUR words, YOUR accusations, YOUR bragging, YOUR teaching, which is perfectly okay, since Gods Word says nothing whatsoever, to Follow, Believe IN, Trust IN, YOU!

MY ROCK, fortress, savior IS; Christ the Lord God Almighty
and Christ’s Church, of which I am a member, IS built upon that ROCK.

YOUR Blindness, Deafness, Blathering, Church, rocks, stones, pebbles, sand and YOUR father..is of no consequence to me.

 

[Taken]

I'll give you JESUS'S answer:

Luke 10:16
Whoever listens to YOU listens to ME. Whoever rejects YOU rejects ME. And whoever rejects ME rejects the ONE who sent ME."

If you have a problem with that - take it up with HIM . . .

LOL...
No surprise. DEFLECTION!

YOU are not an APOSTLE.

 

[Taken]

@BreadOfLife

You avoided answering....

So AGAIN, Does your Catholic Church teach;
A man outside of the Catholic Church, who IS FORGIVEN, SAVED, BAPTIZED in the Holy Spirit.........IS NOT;
FORGIVEN or
SAVED or
BAPTIZED
In the Holy Spirit......BECAUSE That man IS outside of the Catholic Church?

 

[farouk]

You can accuse all day long.
You can uplift yourself all day long.

2 Sam 22:
[2] And he said, The LORD is my rock, and my fortress, and my deliverer;
[3] The God of my rock; in him will I trust: he is my shield, and the horn of my salvation, my high tower, and my refuge, my saviour; thou savest me from violence.
[32] For who is God, save the LORD? and who is a rock, save our God?
[47] The LORD liveth; and blessed be my rock; and exalted be the God of the rock of my salvation.
2Sam.23
[3] The God of Israel said, the Rock of Israel spake to me, He that ruleth over men must be just, ruling in the fear of God.

1 Cor 10:
[4] And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.

God is the Rock.
LORD is the Rock.
Lord God Almighty is the Rock of Salvation.
Jesus is the Word of God.
God is the Word of God.
Christ is the Spiritual Rock.
Christ is the Rock of His Church.
Christ’s Church is built upon;
Jesus IS the Christ, the Son of the Living God.

Everything that is Created, Made, Established, Saved, Spiritually Built IS Spiritually Built UPON THE ONE:
ROCK Lord Jesus, ROCK God, ROCK Christ Almighty

Christ’s Church is BUILT upon.
Rock Lord Jesus
Rock God
Rock Christ Almighty

Jesus IS the Christ
Son of the Living God

Your rock Peter, is your choice, just as any man who chooses to establish their spiritual faith upon the created rather than the creator.

I’ll stick with The Lord God Almighty IS MY ROCK!

@Taken Great passage there from 2 Samuel 22...

 

[BreadOfLife]

@BreadOfLife
You avoided answering....
So AGAIN, Does your Catholic Church teach;
A man outside of the Catholic Church, who IS FORGIVEN, SAVED, BAPTIZED in the Holy Spirit.........IS NOT;
FORGIVEN or
SAVED or
BAPTIZED
In the Holy Spirit......BECAUSE That man IS outside of the Catholic Church?

I ALREADY answered your question with the words of the Lord in Luke 10:16. When you reject His Church - you reject HIM and the ONE who sent Him
Like I said before - if this is a problem for you - thn YOU need to take it up with HIM.

You kee[ referring to someone whoo is "forgiven, saved,Baptized in the Holy Spirit" - but you completely IGNORE the words of Jesus.
You cannot reject Him and be "forgiven, saved,Baptized in the Holy Spirit".

Those who reject Him and yet claim to be "forgiven, saved,Baptized in the Holy Spirit" are the ones spoken of in Matt. 7:21-23 - so take warning . . .
Matt. 7:21-23
“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but ONLY the one who DOES THE WILL OF MY FATHER who is in heaven. Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’

Good luck with that.

 

[BreadOfLife]

My denials Are Against YOUR words, YOUR accusations, YOUR bragging, YOUR teaching, which is perfectly okay, since Gods Word says nothing whatsoever, to Follow, Believe IN, Trust IN, YOU!

MY ROCK, fortress, savior IS; Christ the Lord God Almighty
and Christ’s Church, of which I am a member, IS built upon that ROCK.

YOUR Blindness, Deafness, Blathering, Church, rocks, stones, pebbles, sand and YOUR father..is of no consequence to me.

No - you deny the very Word of God (Isa. 51:1-2, Matt. 10:16).
YOUR denials are of Christ Himself, per Luke 10:16.

You're a TEXTBOOK example of this . . .

 

[Taken]

I ALREADY answered your question with the words of the Lord in Luke 10:16. When you reject His Church - you reject HIM and the ONE who sent Him

Oh good grief....I was not asking YOU FOR a Scripture!
I was ASKING specifically about YOUR Catholic Church Teaching.
You know....that Catechism Manuel for TEACHING CATHOLICS?

You kee[ referring to someone whoo is "forgiven, saved,Baptized in the Holy Spirit" - but you completely IGNORE the words of Jesus.
You cannot reject Him and be "forgiven, saved,Baptized in the Holy Spirit".

Having trouble keeping on point of the conversation?
Are you UNAWARE Catholics and Protestants have differing methods and rituals for Baptisms?

Try again answering from the Catholic Church’s Position...
Can a person OUTSIDE of the Catholic Church, WITHOUT a Catholic Priest, ACCORDING TO THE CATHOLIC’S CHURCH position, BE Baptized with the Holy Spirit?

 

[amigo de christo]

 

[Taken]

No - you deny the very Word of God (Isa. 51:1-2, Matt. 10:16).
YOUR denials are of Christ Himself, per Luke 10:16.

You're a TEXTBOOK example of this . . .

And AS USUAL you DEFLECT off point.
I was NOT discussing the Word of God.
I was ASKING YOU about YOUR Catholic Church’s Position.

Sheesh!

 

[amigo de christo]

So much for the papacy . cause i sure didnt see peter tell cornlious to kneel and kiss HIS RING

 

[Taken]

So much for the papacy . cause i sure didnt see peter tell cornlious to kneel and kiss HIS RING

That’s a funky thing. Knowing the History of the prominence and importance of a “man” KINGS Ring, KINGS Crown, KINGS Cloak, KINGS Throne, KINGS, queen....etc.
Mimicking all the same things OF men OF the world, under the guise of Religion.
Weird.

 

[amigo de christo]

That’s a funky thing. Knowing the History of the prominence and importance of a “man” KINGS Ring, KINGS Crown, KINGS Cloak, KINGS Throne, KINGS, queen....etc.
Mimicking all the same things OF men OF the world, under the guise of Religion.
Weird.

EXACTLY MY FRIEND . And the lambs will flee such a place .

 

[Philip James]

But again, I do not find confessing their belief For them.

Heya Taken,

We confess the Faith of the Church and ask our Father to grant our children the supernatural Faith that comes with the Baptism of the Holy Spirit..

'will our Father not give good things to His children if we ask? '
.
'this promise is for you and your children'

What a preciuos gift..

Pax et Bonum

 

[Taken]

Heya Taken,

We confess the Faith of the Church and ask our Father to grant our children the supernatural Faith that comes with the Baptism of the Holy Spirit..

'will our Father not give good things to His children if we ask? '
.
'this promise is for you and your children'

What a preciuos gift..

Pax et Bonum

Hi Philip~

I do believe God will give individuals their own hearts desire.
However, I do not believe one can decide an others hearts desire.
If that ^ were the case, how easily mankind could solve the worlds spiritual chaos.
Diplomacy round tables among nations that endlessly try to solve spiritual differences with political solutions, would be nil.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Philip James]

Hi Philip~

I do believe God will give individuals their own hearts desire.
However, I do not believe one can decide an others hearts desire.
If that ^ were the case, how easily mankind could solve the worlds spiritual chaos.
Diplomacy round tables among nations that endlessly try to solve spiritual differences with political solutions, would be nil.

Glory to God,
Taken

Ah brother, to be raised in the household of God is precious indeed, but that does not guatlruntee one wont squander their inheritance and wander off the reservation...

Thank God we have a merciful Shephard who searches for those who are lost..

Pax et Bonum

 

[BreadOfLife]

Oh good grief....I was not asking YOU FOR a Scripture!
I was ASKING specifically about YOUR Catholic Church Teaching.
You know....that Catechism Manuel for TEACHING CATHOLICS?
Having trouble keeping on point of the conversation?
Are you UNAWARE Catholics and Protestants have differing methods and rituals for Baptisms?
Try again answering from the Catholic Church’s Position...
Can a person OUTSIDE of the Catholic Church, WITHOUT a Catholic Priest, ACCORDING TO THE CATHOLIC’S CHURCH position, BE Baptized with the Holy Spirit?

And AS USUAL you DEFLECT off point.
I was NOT discussing the Word of God.
I was ASKING YOU about YOUR Catholic Church’s Position.
Sheesh!

The Scriptures reflect the teachings of the Church.
That's the WHOLE point of the Catrchoism, Einstein.

Virtuallu EVERY paragraph in the Catechism is backed up with verse after verse of Scripture.
Leave it to YOU to miss that fact . . .

 

[Taken]

The Scriptures reflect the teachings of the Church.
That's the WHOLE point of the Catrchoism, Einstein.

Virtuallu EVERY paragraph in the Catechism is backed up with verse after verse of Scripture.
Leave it to YOU to miss that fact . . .

Yet again, deflecting.
Very simple question and still can not answer.
Not surprised.