Are you a cessationist or a continuationist? Which of the two doctrines do you consider to be true? Do miracles and the gifts of The Holy Spirit still happen after the apostolic age?
Cessationism vs continuationism
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Helen
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I believe that the Holy Spirit is "alive and well" in the lives of 'believers who believe' TODAY!! :) I don't consider it "a doctrine'...I consider it a normal part of the Christian life.
By Grace....
What about the cases of the non-believers who are healed by the "so-called" Christian faith-healers? I've seen atheists and Muslims being healed by Christian preachers who prayed over them.
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True. Many people have been healed that were not believers.
Many missionaries preached healing and masses were healed...that later on, led them to be believers. Are you saying that for some reason they shouldn't be??
I prayed healing for my babies and children...long before they became "believers."
God honours His Word.
Well thats the Gospel so why wouldnt they get healed if a believer prayed for them
prashanthd
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Mark 16
15 And he said unto them,Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
A few centuries back, protestant missionaries who were American and the British came to our region and preached the Gospel. Unlike the time of Lord Jesus' disciples, there were no miracles such as casting out of demons or spiritual healing. Instead, there was better education and medical facilities when compared to what was there earlier.
God doesn't stop us to take care of our health with exercise and also medicine.
John 5
17 But Jesus answered them,My Father worketh hitherto, and I work.
John 14
16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
Although no miracles happened with them, God The Father, God The Son and God The Spirit were actively working or else we would not have been Christians today. I have always been amazed by the miracles done by Lord Jesus and His disciples during the times of the Bible. I also believe that God would pour out His Spirit during the last days(if the last days are the present), and I also know that they are always as amazing as ever to show his glory and not like the ones which are done in the neighboring lanes these days.
I am not the first one to believe this, there are many in the world and would continue to be, until we see the glory of God.
All glory to God.
15 And he said unto them,Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
A few centuries back, protestant missionaries who were American and the British came to our region and preached the Gospel. Unlike the time of Lord Jesus' disciples, there were no miracles such as casting out of demons or spiritual healing. Instead, there was better education and medical facilities when compared to what was there earlier.
God doesn't stop us to take care of our health with exercise and also medicine.
John 5
17 But Jesus answered them,My Father worketh hitherto, and I work.
John 14
16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
Although no miracles happened with them, God The Father, God The Son and God The Spirit were actively working or else we would not have been Christians today. I have always been amazed by the miracles done by Lord Jesus and His disciples during the times of the Bible. I also believe that God would pour out His Spirit during the last days(if the last days are the present), and I also know that they are always as amazing as ever to show his glory and not like the ones which are done in the neighboring lanes these days.
I am not the first one to believe this, there are many in the world and would continue to be, until we see the glory of God.
All glory to God.
prashanthd
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aspen
“"The harvest is plentiful but the workers are few
Material manifestations of spiritual reality still happen. Miracles are all around us.
All material things are miracles because they reflect the spiritual.
Just like the material bulk of trees is actually carbon collected from thin air......all atoms are manifestations of spirit
All material things are miracles because they reflect the spiritual.
Just like the material bulk of trees is actually carbon collected from thin air......all atoms are manifestations of spirit
ScottA
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Not big on 'isms...so I had to look them up.
But it would appear to be a ridiculous question - of course the gifts of the Holy Spirit continue...these are the days of which it is written: "I will pour out My spirit on all flesh."
:) This may inform this thread prior to sisters and brothers launching their vote.
Question: "Is cessationism biblical? What is a cessationist?"
Answer: Cessationism is the view that the “miracle gifts” of tongues and healing have ceased—that the end of the apostolic age brought about a cessation of the miracles associated with that age. Most cessationists believe that, while God can and still does perform miracles today, the Holy Spirit no longer uses individuals to perform miraculous signs. .....
Question: "What is continuationism? What is a continuationist?"
Answer: Continuationism is the belief that all the spiritual gifts, including healings, tongues, and miracles, are still in operation today, just as they were in the days of the early church. A continuationist believes that the spiritual gifts have “continued” unabated since the Day of Pentecost and that the demonstration of “signs, wonders, and miracles” (2 Corinthians 12:12), as witnessed in the apostolic era, should be a hallmark of today’s church as well......
Christian Apologetics is the defense of Christian doctrine, but the term doesn't even hold true across denominations that call themselves Christian. When you get down to eternal considerations, its the proclamation of the gospel that has real power to save, while self justification of belief is an exercise in vanity that proves nothing and convinces no one of anything but the appologist's ability to argue. Overcoming intellectual barriers to truth does not convince of truth, but it's more challenging than a urination contest and at least as messy.
prashanthd
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I haven't done that. It would be nice if the writer of the OP would provide his definition of the words. I might guess at their meaning, but I really do not know.
Thank you for that. I had only read the OP without reading all of the posts after that.
Guess what? I am a tongue talker from way back, but not from before it ceased. Unless I am way out of order tongue talking has not ceased. I do not believe that I am.
I pray each to the Lord. Sometimes I pray in English, but I always pray in an unknown tongue because I don't want to leave out anything important due to of my own poor memory.
I pray each to the Lord. Sometimes I pray in English, but I always pray in an unknown tongue because I don't want to leave out anything important due to of my own poor memory.
ScottA
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Cool. Tongues is the official sign of Christ's church, that of the body receiving words by the spirit of God, just as Peter came to know that Jesus is the Son of God. Such gifts were to be evident throughout the church age.
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prashanthd,
I agree with you. In my view, this topic should be located in the Christian Theology Forum.
Oz
not at all - here you say Peter alone which is correct but elsewhere you say 'all flesh' - even witch doctors and red indian medicine men babel in tongues and perform miracles of healing and also hypnotists - but it is not understood or properly grasped and understood that even Jesus could not perform miracles or healing and when He did it goes unnoticed that He said 'go thy faith has made they whole' = physician heal thyself - twinc
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