Can we rightly read into this following passage of scripture that Jesus had to make an offering once for all times for his own sin?
Hebrews 7:27 “Who needeth not daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifice, first for his own sins, and then for the people's: for this he did once, when he offered up himself.”
So you apply the
once to only half the verse?
The contrast here is that a priest with infirmities of his own flesh would have to do this over and over.
Exactly now read Heb 5:2KJV and explain to me Jesus’ weakness or infirmities in the AV
Hebrews 7:28a “For the law maketh men high priests which have infirmity; ...”
Such a priest could not sacrifice himself. His sacrifice of himself would have no lasting value, if any at all.
You are quoting scriptures that have the answer to his nature.
What is happening here is that we are making the mistake of thinking that it is the literal flesh that is something when in fact it is nothing but the shell which houses who we really are.
You now move away from Jesus Christ and his physical nature. The shell you refer to is the same shell that was changed still bearing the marks of nails.
You need to think this through some more.
Blemishes on our flesh are merely indicative of what our inner man is. That is why whatever we are on the inside will become visible on our outside (especially in terms of our conduct). Thus we may see a very attractive woman, but then if we would see her picking her nose and eating her own buggers or like a dog licking up her own vomit then suddenly she does not appear so attractive. Ekes!!!
Now you have taken us back to the flesh and Gal 5:24.
We need to discuss Romans 8 in greater detail to explain the difference between flesh and spirit.
Therefore, the principle behind 1 Peter 3:4 is what we need to put more into play to help us understand the relationship of the figurative flesh verses our inner man who is the spirit of who we really are as a person. We need to see that our bodies of flesh are mere superficial indicators of our true spiritual condition; nothing more and nothing less.
The flesh is not figurative it’s real and within its members is a law working.
You need to address the law working in his physical members.
Like I said – if Jesus lived to be an older man (like yourself :) ) he would eventually have died.
Now the question is how and why he would have died?
Answer this question and you will understand in part what Yahweh crucified His Son
It is always, I repeat, it is always the inner man that we are talking about and must deal with.
No, the inner man is the Spirit-Word working to overcome the propensities of our flesh nature as per Gal 5:24. Jesus can ask this of you Vengle because he is the ultimate example of crucifying his own carnal fleshly will and replacing it with the Spirit Will.
It is always the principle which I have posted numerous times now, as follows:
Matthew 23:26 “Thou blind Pharisee, cleanse first that which is within the cup and platter, that the outside of them may be clean also.”
The flesh cannot be cleansed Vengle for even Jesus was washed in his own blood – the washing of the word upon his nature could never change that nature, hence that nature must first be put to death – grave – resurrection (Gal 5:24). The atoning process by the blood is to affect a change of nature by removing the law of sin and death within its members.
When we are full of dead man’s bones within the best we achieve on the outside is a whitewashing that is quickly seen to be what it is because it is so subject to decay by the elements of life which attack it.
This is spoken of the Pharisees because they allowed their flesh nature to determine their walk. They could not listen to the Spirit Word because vipers do not have ears. If the Word of God cannot enter the mind and do its circumcising of the fleshly lusts, then we allow
sin to reign in our
mortal bodies obeying its lusts, we sin and then die Rom 6:23.
I could provide the verse links but I am sure you already know them!
Insight, do you see that you have your logic reversed when you said this (as shown in Veteran's posted quote
by you)?
"Don’t you know
that sin comes from the uncleanness of flesh (see
Mark 7:18,
19,
20,
21,
22,
23),"
The very scriptures you gave show it to be the other way around. You may have meant it the other way around. I do that sometimes with my thoughts. I call it dyslectic thoughts.
I hope you are grasping that in reality it is always a spiritual ailment in us. It is not our literal flesh.
Jesus in Mark 7 is showing you two things.
- The actual fallen flesh nature (corrupting and perishing) has a bias toward sin, because of the law of sin which leads to death in its physical members. The Law of sin which leads to death makes the nature unclean, because that nature is held under its dominion. (See how the Law of Moses treated death and our association with it)
- When the mind is governed by the flesh and its heed to 1 John 2:16 the mind becomes carnal or animal (you may spiritualise this mind as being fleshly, evil, self-pleasing etc.) In other words the intellect of the mind gives voice to its passions and lusts. (like your beautiful woman example above)
The desire starts from the feelings of the flesh nature and then moves into the mind where sin can be conceived; this could be followed through by an immoral action.
Let me ask you a question of Mark 7:18,19,20,21,22,23 - I need you to understand the above twofold understanding of human nature.
Jesus specifically states the following:
[sup]15[/sup]There is nothing from without a man, that entering into him can defile him: but the things which come out of him, those are they that defile the man.
Jesus is drawing your attention to your human nature the same nature he possessed.
[sup]16[/sup]If any man have ears to hear, let him hear.
He wants us to listen to him very carefully.
[sup]17[/sup]And when he was entered into the house from the people, his disciples asked him concerning the parable.
We ask him also!
[sup]18[/sup]And he saith unto them, Are ye so without understanding also? Do ye not perceive, that whatsoever thing from without entereth into the man, it cannot defile him;
Jesus is suggesting that temptation and defilement cannot be external to our nature and draws us to the physical aspect of eating food.
[sup]19[/sup]Because it entereth not into his heart (mind
), but into the belly, and goeth out into the draught, purging all meats?
See what Jesus does Vengle?
He is taking you to where the problem of sin is found – in the Mind of Man is the place of sin.
[sup]20[/sup]And he said, That which cometh out of the man, that defileth the man.
So connecting the heart and what comes out of the heart is the location of defilement.
[sup]21[/sup]For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders,
Ok, now we have come to fallen nature and its many desires; the flesh and its propensities to think evil thoughts as per Gen 6:5 is in direct reference to the flesh, actual flesh – not a shell as one cannot separate the flesh, from the its mind, they are one in the same.
Now here is the problem Vengle. Jesus presents you with a subtle teaching which few Christians understand.
Jesus has up until now
ONLY been speaking about the mind of man and how this mind (or thinking) is the place of defilement.
Why does Jesus go on to only list actions! Why actions of the flesh?
[sup]22[/sup]Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness:
A theft in the flesh starts where?
If one coverts something like a woman where does this action originate?
All of these i.e. wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness are revealed in the manifestation of flesh and Jesus states they begin in the mind and the move to action behaviour etc.
[sup]23[/sup]All these evil things come from within, and defile the man.
Jesus concludes for use that all of this “things” come from with our nature and originate from the propensities of the flesh formed into a thought and eventuate, if not crucified (Gal 5:24) in sin and death.
Jesus
never allowed his nature and its propensities to move from thought to action.
Hence we are told by Paul that while Jesus was in sin’s flesh (that is to say where sin hold flesh captive by the dominion of death working in its members) he put to death in himself the carnal mind never allowing it to voice its will.
But were these desires latent in the body of Jesus
Absolutely else he overcame nothing and his flesh would be like that of his nature post resurrection.
But this is not so!
Jesus was tempted (Heb 4:15) in every way possible and some but did sin find occasion in the Mind of Christ?
No it didn’t, and as such he was one with his Father in mind but in body he was subject to death, yes Vengle even the death of the cross.
This sin's flesh is just a pictorially used flesh to demonstrate the sick spirit as opposed to the healthy spirit we need.
You use the phrase sick spirit but in actual fact it is the carnal mind allowing sin to reign in our mortal bodies in thought and in action.
And what it boils down to is that God is making sure we care enough to cooperate with him in his helping us to heal spiritually
No Vengle – you still do not understand the flesh.
The flesh can NEVER be fixed, it can never be healed ! Impossible, absolutely evil, inherently vile and only good for death!
You must at all costs come to this understanding else you will never understand the work of Yahweh in the
son.
It is time for us now to consider Romans 8 – only there will you see the truth.
If you don’t mind Vengle, would you mind not responding (to everything) to this post though, I understand you will want too?
Mark 7 “may” still not be understood fully, so we need to discuss Romans 8 in much greater detail.
I will wait for acknowledgement before we begin Romans 8
In the Masters service
Insight
