Hiddenthings
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LOL, medieval "sorcery" or "witchcraft," comparing to modern-day pharmaceuticals.
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Christadelphians, the Devil and Satan
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Hiddenthings
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It’s frustrating when you want the text to say something, but it doesn’t. In those moments, it's best to let the text guide you toward the truth, rather than trying to make it say what you want.
It's all rather sad really that your world view is tainted by the false teaching and you prescribe natural illness to the work of some fiticous fallen angel. Its strong delusion of the worst kind because it distracts from the real enemy.
"In their case, the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelievers, to keep them from seeing the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God." (ESV)
Blind minds! The worst kind, eyes that can't see and ears that can't hear...unrestrained human nature running wild!
It's all rather sad really that your world view is tainted by the false teaching and you prescribe natural illness to the work of some fiticous fallen angel. Its strong delusion of the worst kind because it distracts from the real enemy.
"In their case, the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelievers, to keep them from seeing the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God." (ESV)
Blind minds! The worst kind, eyes that can't see and ears that can't hear...unrestrained human nature running wild!
soberxp
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Hiddenthings
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I have a lower sore back called a pars defect, which is a small break or fracture in the bone that connects the facet joints
Am I possessed?
From my birth?
The devil has his disciples just as the Messiah (the prophesied seed / descendant of the woman) has his.
Hiddenthings
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Hiddenthings
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Hiddenthings
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Who was the "seed of the serpent"...the first who manifested the carnal mind?
How does Scripture portray him?
soberxp
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The parable of the sower,
13:18 Hear ye therefore the parable of the sower.
13:24 Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field:
13:25 But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way.
13:26 But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also.
13:28 He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up?
13:29 But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them.
Hiddenthings
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The question was - who is the first person in the Bible to come from the seed of the serpent? And how does the Bible use him to represent the carnal fleshly mind?
soberxp
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3:6
And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.
Hello Trevor, Sorry for the late reply. I think the problem is, Israel's elders never had jurisdiction over all the nations of the earth as the elohim in Psalm 82:6 did. In Exodus 21:6, depending how it's translated, they are brought before "God", not earthly rulers. When you look how elohim is generally used, there is always a supernatural association.
Hiddenthings
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They were both covered and lived out obedient lives offering sacrifices and teaching their children to do likewise.
Who was the first person to become the seed of the serpent?
“When he came to the other side, to the region of the Gadarenes, two demon-possessed men coming from the tombs met him. They were extremely violent, do that no one was able to pass that way. They cried out, ‘Son of God, leave us alone! Have you come here to torment us before the time?’
And a large herd of pigs was feeding in the distance. Then the demons begged him, ‘If you drive us out, send us into the herd of pigs.’
And he said, ‘Go!’So they came out and went into the pigs, and the herd rushed down the steep slope and into the lake and drowned in the water.”
(Matthew 8:28-32, NET)
The demons are human nature? No. That’s a big blow to the Christadelphian position which equates demons with human nature.
The demons are a disease? Diseases don’t speak and they aren’t afraid of being tormented. Spirits, real beings, do and are. Another big blow to the Christadelphian position.
Readers, you are neither pagan nor insane for understanding that spirits are real beings; not human nature, nor diseases. You have nothing to fear from demons / spirits / real beings speaking wickedly about you and against you.
And a large herd of pigs was feeding in the distance. Then the demons begged him, ‘If you drive us out, send us into the herd of pigs.’
And he said, ‘Go!’So they came out and went into the pigs, and the herd rushed down the steep slope and into the lake and drowned in the water.”
(Matthew 8:28-32, NET)
The demons are human nature? No. That’s a big blow to the Christadelphian position which equates demons with human nature.
The demons are a disease? Diseases don’t speak and they aren’t afraid of being tormented. Spirits, real beings, do and are. Another big blow to the Christadelphian position.
Readers, you are neither pagan nor insane for understanding that spirits are real beings; not human nature, nor diseases. You have nothing to fear from demons / spirits / real beings speaking wickedly about you and against you.
“And it came about while we were going to the place of prayer that a certain servant girl have a sooth-saying spirit met us, who was bringing-about a large profit to her masters telling-fortunes. This one, while closely-following Paul and us was crying out, ‘These men are slaves of the Most-High God who are proclaiming to you a way of salvation!‘ And she was doing this for many days.
And Paul, having been greatly-annoyed, and having turned to the spirit, said, ‘I command you in the name of Jesus Christ to depart from her!’ And it went out at that very hour.’”
(Acts 16:16-18, NET)
The spirit is human nature? No. Paul didn’t command human nature to depart from the woman. The spirit is a disease? No. Paul spoke to the spirit, not to her, commanding it to come out of her; and it did.
And Paul, having been greatly-annoyed, and having turned to the spirit, said, ‘I command you in the name of Jesus Christ to depart from her!’ And it went out at that very hour.’”
(Acts 16:16-18, NET)
The spirit is human nature? No. Paul didn’t command human nature to depart from the woman. The spirit is a disease? No. Paul spoke to the spirit, not to her, commanding it to come out of her; and it did.
“God was performing extraordinary miracles by Paul’s hands, so that when even handkerchiefs or aprons that had touched his body were brought to the sick, their diseases left them and the evil spirits went out of them.
But some itinerant Jewish exorcists tried to invoke the name of the Lord Jesus over those who were possessed by evil spirits, saying, ‘I sternly warn you by Jesus whom Paul preaches.’ (Now seven sons of a man named Sceva, a Jewish high priest were doing this.)
But the evil spirit replied to them, ‘I know about Jesus and I am acquainted with Paul, but who are you?’ Then the man who was possessed by the evil spirit jumped on them and beat them into submission. He prevailed against them so that they fled from that house naked and wounded.
This became known to all who lived in Ephesus, both Jews and Greeks; fear came over them all, and the name of the Lord Jesus was praised. Many of those who believed came forawrd, confessing and making their deeds known. Large numbers of those who had practiced magic collected their books and burned them in the presence of everyone. When the value of the books was added up, it was found to total 50,000 silver coins. In this way the word of the Lord continued to grow in power and to prevail.”
(Acts 19:11-20, NET)
The evil spirit wasn’t human nature, nor was it a disease. It was a demon. And it wasn’t driven out of the possessed man by the exorcists - Jews who didn’t believe that Jesus is the Messiah, Son of the living God. It spoke to the sons of Sceva through the mouth of the man and then soundly thrashed them through the actions of the man.
Remember the close connection made in scripture between “word,” “spirit,” and “mind”.
Always remember when speaking to a Christadelphian how they define the word “demon”.
But some itinerant Jewish exorcists tried to invoke the name of the Lord Jesus over those who were possessed by evil spirits, saying, ‘I sternly warn you by Jesus whom Paul preaches.’ (Now seven sons of a man named Sceva, a Jewish high priest were doing this.)
But the evil spirit replied to them, ‘I know about Jesus and I am acquainted with Paul, but who are you?’ Then the man who was possessed by the evil spirit jumped on them and beat them into submission. He prevailed against them so that they fled from that house naked and wounded.
This became known to all who lived in Ephesus, both Jews and Greeks; fear came over them all, and the name of the Lord Jesus was praised. Many of those who believed came forawrd, confessing and making their deeds known. Large numbers of those who had practiced magic collected their books and burned them in the presence of everyone. When the value of the books was added up, it was found to total 50,000 silver coins. In this way the word of the Lord continued to grow in power and to prevail.”
(Acts 19:11-20, NET)
The evil spirit wasn’t human nature, nor was it a disease. It was a demon. And it wasn’t driven out of the possessed man by the exorcists - Jews who didn’t believe that Jesus is the Messiah, Son of the living God. It spoke to the sons of Sceva through the mouth of the man and then soundly thrashed them through the actions of the man.
Remember the close connection made in scripture between “word,” “spirit,” and “mind”.
Always remember when speaking to a Christadelphian how they define the word “demon”.
What are you up against when you speak with a Christadelphian about their dogma concerning Satan and demons? The same thing you are up against when you speak with Catholics about their dogma concerning Mary.
Just as a Catholic cannot remain a Catholic apart from their dogma concerning Mary, a Christadelphian cannot remain a Christadelphian apart from their dogma on Satan and demons.
When you are speaking with a Catholic or a Christadelphian about their respective dogmas, remember that you aren’t asking them to change their minds about a doctrine; you’re asking them to abandon their respective groups. It’s not simply a teaching challenge; it’s an identity challenge.
P.S.
Don’t be frustrated by it. Don’t be surprised though when they become even more deeply entrenched. You can’t reason them out of their self-identity.
Just as a Catholic cannot remain a Catholic apart from their dogma concerning Mary, a Christadelphian cannot remain a Christadelphian apart from their dogma on Satan and demons.
When you are speaking with a Catholic or a Christadelphian about their respective dogmas, remember that you aren’t asking them to change their minds about a doctrine; you’re asking them to abandon their respective groups. It’s not simply a teaching challenge; it’s an identity challenge.
P.S.
Don’t be frustrated by it. Don’t be surprised though when they become even more deeply entrenched. You can’t reason them out of their self-identity.
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