Christadelphians, the Devil and Satan

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Matthias

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A word of advice to my readers. Consult scripture, Bible dictionaries, Bible commentaries, Church history, etc.

The Christadelphians can’t budge on their dogma. Decide for yourselves but don’t be sucked in by “It doesn’t agree with us so it is ______ and you are ______.” (Fill in the blank with the polemic.)

I’ve met many Christadelphians who stand on and by their dogma but refrain from acting as their loudest voice in this thread has. He’s not representative of the Christadelphians whom I’ve engaged with amicably over the years. There’s something about him personally that is “off” and, in light of my good experiences with the Christadelphians, I’ve expressed my opinion on why that is.

It would be a mistake to think that his actions are representative of the Christadelphians.

Compare and contrast his attitude with that of the other Christadelphian who has contributed to this thread. Night and day difference. The other Christadelphian, in his words and in his actions, is representative of Christadelphians in my experience.
 

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A word of advice to my readers. Consult scripture, Bible dictionaries, Bible commentaries, Church history, etc.

The Christadelphians can’t budge on their dogma. Decide for yourselves but don’t be sucked in by “It doesn’t agree with us so it is ______ and you are ______.” (Fill in the blank with the polemic.)

I’ve met many Christadelphians who stand on and by their dogma but refrain from acting as their loudest voice in this thread has. He’s not representative of the Christadelphians whom I’ve engaged with amicably over the years. There’s something about him personally that is “off” and, in light of my good experiences with the Christadelphians, I’ve expressed my opinion on why that is.

It would be a mistake to think that his actions are representative of the Christadelphians.

Compare and contrast his attitude with that of the other Christadelphian who has contributed to this thread. Night and day difference. The other Christadelphian, in his words and in his actions, is representative of Christadelphians in my experience.
You appear desperate Matthias? Special pleading will not prove your monster's existence. Go back and deal with the evidence.
 

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Daniel 10:13

The prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me twenty-one days, but Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me, for I was left there with the kings of Persia

It took the angel 21 days to influence the political realm in order to align the Persian empire’s policies with Yahweh’s purpose, something Daniel had been fervently praying for. At the start of this period, Daniel had turned to God in mourning, fasting, and prayer for the restoration of his people (v2–3). Although Daniel's prayers were heard immediately, he was unaware of the angelic activity taking place behind the scenes during this time.

To accomplish God's will, political circumstances had to be adjusted so that the Persian ruler would choose to act in a specific way of his own volition. That same year, King Cyrus issued a decree permitting the Jewish exiles to return, a moment that fulfilled God’s sovereign intention. This event demonstrates the truth of Daniel 4:17,32: “God rules in the kingdom of men.” The Elohim (mighty ones or angels) silently influence leaders and events to fulfill God's plan.

The term “prince” (Hebrew: sar) means a leader or commander, and in this context refers to Cyrus (v.1), who was moved by circumstances to issue the decree recorded in Ezra 1. Ezra explains that “Yahweh stirred up the spirit of Cyrus” (Ezra 1:1). Though Cyrus may not have realized it, his actions fulfilled the will of the Sovereign of heaven, guided by divinely orchestrated political developments.

The Hebrew word translated “withstand” (amad) appears in 2 Chronicles 26:18, describing how Azariah and fellow priests opposed King Uzziah when he attempted to enter the temple to offer incense unlawfully. Similarly, angels act invisibly to shape human government. An angel blocked Balaam’s path to prevent him from opposing God's purpose (Numbers 22:32, though a different Hebrew word is used there), showing how divine influence shapes both personal and national events.

Such turning points in history may seem to unfold through natural means, but they often require time and coordination. This behind-the-scenes work is part of the angels’ ministering role on behalf of the saints (Hebrews 1:14).

Talons, the very idea that Christians believe Heaven is in disarray and that God has lost control of His own servants is deeply irreverent and is mockery toward God. It reveals that many, like Matthias have no understanding of the God of Israel and the Lord Jesus Christ.

Sar Yawan/Yavan, (the Prince of Greece), is the Prince of the power of the air, (Eph 2:2), and the spirit of the world, (1Cor 2:12).

Daniel 8:5 KJV
5 And as I was considering, behold, an he goat came from the west on the face of the whole earth, and touched not the ground: and the goat had a notable horn between his eyes.

The he-goat from the west is flying over the face of the whole land/earth, in the air, not touching the ground, and that one is the king/prince of Yavan, (Greece).

Daniel 8:19-21 KJV
19 And he said, Behold, I will make thee know what shall be in the last end of the indignation: for at the time appointed the end shall be.
20 The ram which thou sawest having two horns are the kings of Media and Persia.
21 And the rough goat is the king of Grecia: [Yavan] and the great horn that is between his eyes is the first king.

Ephesians 2:1-3 KJV
1 And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;
2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:
3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.


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With the exception of Rome, all of Paul's congregations are in the territory of Yavan, (see Luke 11:24-26).
Sar Yavan, the Prince of the power of the air, is not a human being, (see Eph 6:12).
 

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Sar Yawan/Yavan, (the Prince of Greece), is the Prince of the power of the air, (Eph 2:2), and the spirit of the world, (1Cor 2:12).
Ha! I needed that laugh! connecting Daniel 10 with Eph 2 - what a joke. Not even going to entertain such madness.
 

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Ephesians 2:1-3 KJV
1 And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;
2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:
3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.
What spirit is Paul referring to?

Answer is in red!

Even color coded it for you!

Go and read Romans 7&8 for more learning!
 

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Ha! I needed that laugh! connecting Daniel 10 with Eph 2 - what a joke. Not even going to entertain such madness.

I do not see any exceptions here:

Luke 11:24-26 KJV
24 When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest; and finding none, he saith, I will return unto my house whence I came out.
25 And when he cometh, he findeth it swept and garnished.
26 Then goeth he, and taketh to him seven other spirits more wicked than himself; and they enter in, and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first.

That spirit you formerly served, before you came to Meshiah, is an unclean spirit. Was the Prince of the power of the air and unclean spirit of the world not cast out of you to begin with? Therefore the Master says to the four in the Mark 13 version of the Olivet Discourse:

Mark 13:37 KJV
37 And what I say unto you I say unto all, Watch.

No exceptions there either.
 

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I do not see any exceptions here:

Luke 11:24-26 KJV
24 When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest; and finding none, he saith, I will return unto my house whence I came out.
25 And when he cometh, he findeth it swept and garnished.
26 Then goeth he, and taketh to him seven other spirits more wicked than himself; and they enter in, and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first.

That spirit you formerly served, before you came to Meshiah, is an unclean spirit. Was the Prince of the power of the air and unclean spirit of the world not cast out of you to begin with? Therefore the Master says to the four in the Mark 13 version of the Olivet Discourse:

Mark 13:37 KJV
37 And what I say unto you I say unto all, Watch.

No exceptions there either.
When people misquote passages like you did with Ephesians 2, and then continue to misquote others, how long do you think someone should tolerate this?
 

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Luke 11:24-26 KJV
24 When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest; and finding none, he saith, I will return unto my house whence I came out.
25 And when he cometh, he findeth it swept and garnished.
26 Then goeth he, and taketh to him seven other spirits more wicked than himself; and they enter in, and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first.
What does it mean dak? Or what do you want it to mean?
 

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What spirit is Paul referring to?

Answer is in red!

Even color coded it for you!

Go and read Romans 7&8 for more learning!

Not enough even after I referred you to the spirit of the world by scripture reference.

1 Corinthians 2:12 KJV
12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
 

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When people misquote passages like you did with Ephesians 2, and then continue to misquote others, how long do you think someone should tolerate this?

Starting off with mocking, (as in your first response), and now tossing in false accusations, tells me that you have nothing else to respond with.
 
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Not enough even after I referred you to the spirit of the world by scripture reference.

1 Corinthians 2:12 KJV
12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
Ah yes thankyou dak!

1 John 2:16, which says: "For all that is in the world, the desires of the flesh and the desires of the eyes and pride of life is not from the Father but is from the world." (ESV)

You might get it eventually dak!
 

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Starting off with mocking, (as in your first response), and now tossing in false accusations, tells me that you have nothing else to respond with.
There is no excuse for terrible exegesis and should only be responded to with hard sayings and the rebuke they deserve.
 

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Ah yes thankyou dak!

1 John 2:16, which says: "For all that is in the world, the desires of the flesh and the desires of the eyes and pride of life is not from the Father but is from the world." (ESV)

You might get it eventually dak!

Ignoring Reply #166 you will never "get it".
 

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@dak as I said, how long should someone put up with misquoting of Scripture after being shown the true interpretation?
 

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@dak as I said, how long should someone put up with misquoting of Scripture after being shown the true interpretation?

I have not seen any evidence that you have proven your position.
The kingdom of Elohim is within you, (Luke 17:20-21).

Daniel 8:23 KJV
23 And in the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors are come to the full, a king of fierce countenance, [az`-paniym] and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up.

Az`-paniym, (fierce countenance), is from the Torah:

Deuteronomy 28:50 KJV
49 The LORD shall bring a nation against thee from far, from the end of the earth, as swift as the eagle flieth; a nation whose tongue thou shalt not understand;
50 A nation of fierce countenance, [az`-paniym] which shall not regard the person of the old, nor shew favour to the young:

From here on there is a mountain of evidence for what have said.
I am not willing to share all of that here.
 

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You were asked clearly - what do you want it to mean? Define your unclean spirit!

Let me help you - what is added in Matt 12:45

It has nothing to do with I may or may not want it to mean. Why can you not simply believe those scriptures I quoted? for if you did, then you would understand what they mean without me needing to tell you, for I already know that it all means what it says. Dogma is what causes people to not be able to see and understand what the scripture says. Are you offended by what Luke 11:24-26 says? and by the fact that there are no exceptions mentioned in that statement?
 

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It has nothing to do with I may or may not want it to mean. Why can you not simply believe those scriptures I quoted? for if you did, then you would understand what they mean without me needing to tell you, for I already know that it all means what it says. Dogma is what causes people to not be able to see and understand what the scripture says. Are you offended by what Luke 11:24-26 says? and by the fact that there are no exceptions mentioned in that statement?
This is very poor on your part. Its the honor of Kings to search out a matter and for now you are showing little honor.

what is added in Matt 12:45?