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[Joseph77]

Flipping this question around:

If "Bob" told me that an angel appeared to him and told Him the Calvinistic views of the Gospel was true, I would acknowledge his view and continuing to respect him as a person, even while disagreeing with his beliefs and not believing his claimed experience.

If a person is seeking truth -- really seeking it -- they should first and foremost consult the Spirit of God. Not being a person going solely off another mortal person's claims.

If anyone, man woman or child, minister or teacher or politician or doctor, told me those lies,

it would not be possible to give them any respect, period, except maybe as God orchestrated for His Own Purpose at the time if needed. (as God's Judgment is Perfect, and is not late)

 

[Anthony D'Arienzo]

It's not a question of whether I learn or not. It is a question of whether you do and I will be waiting for you.....

I could agree with you but then we would both be wrong!;)
The rhyming noises you make, let me guess, you believe it is a secret prayer tongue that satan cannot understand.
Only you have discernment? I do not think so. The historic church discerned differently than you;
1689 confession of faith
Chapter 1: Of the Holy Scriptures
1._____ The Holy Scripture is the only sufficient, certain, and infallible rule of all saving knowledge, faith, and obedience, although the light of nature, and the works of creation and providence do so far manifest the goodness, wisdom, and power of God, as to leave men inexcusable; yet are they not sufficient to give that knowledge of God and his will which is necessary unto salvation. Therefore it pleased the Lord at sundry times and in divers manners to reveal himself, and to declare that his will unto his church; and afterward for the better preserving and propagating of the truth, and for the more sure establishment and comfort of the church against the corruption of the flesh, and the malice of Satan, and of the world, to commit the same wholly unto writing; which maketh the Holy Scriptures to be most necessary, those former ways of God's revealing his will unto his people being now ceased.
( 2 Timothy 3:15-17; Isaiah 8:20; Luke 16:29, 31; Ephesians 2:20; Romans 1:19-21; Romans 2:14,15; Psalms 19:1-3; Hebrews 1:1; Proverbs 22:19-21; Romans 15:4; 2 Peter 1:19,20 ) Millions of Biblical Christians discerned you are in error.

 

[Jane_Doe22]

If anyone, man woman or child, minister or teacher or politician or doctor, told me those lies,

it would not be possible to give them any respect, period, except maybe as God orchestrated for His Own Purpose at the time if needed. (as God's Judgment is Perfect, and is not late)

By that logic, I should treat you Joseph77 as a liar undeserving of any respect period.

 

[Angelina]

The post card lead to nothing.. except 17 years later . . I realized the Blind Chess Player he said he made lots of money on was my Dad.

He told me he wrote this book... but maybe I wrote it?

Hmmm....still not very concise. 17 years after receiving this post card you got a revelation that related to a blind chess player who made lots of money? what do you mean by saying "on your dad"? and what book are you referring to?

 

[brian100]

I guess when the devil stole my wife it changed my future and I never did anything for God. So Luke came. Now do u understand? Luke came to say I did do it.

 

[Joseph77]

I always consider the broken minds as well as bodies in this highly shattered world. I'm no professional but, have had some experience here over the years.
First thing I have to do is remove myself from the convo, as when logic is skewed in ones mind, then there is no logical conclusion, because sometimes a broken mind perceives things way different than you or I.
Satan uses people like this without their knowing or understanding it. Prayer is powerful and, I believe this is one such occasion to be doing just that!

Amen, yes!
(as God directs to pray)
This does not excuse a church assembly (which the forum is not, thus not subject to what God says) ,
from correcting, teaching, disciplining, training, edifying, rebuking, silencing, and even at times as directed dis-fellowshiping ...
The true body of Christ, believers together , born again ones, set apart (holy) ,
are able to or should always do as God Says, and do what is best for each person as God directs, including healing.

 

[Enoch111]

Well there was the transfiguration on the Mountain when Elijah and Moses appeared beside Jesus.

To compare BIBLICAL FACT with CATHOLIC FICTION is to downgrade the Bible.

There is no doubt that there are apparitions, ghosts, and spirits who appear to men. Even the Bible mentions these spirits, and when Christ walked on water, His disciples thought He was one of these spirits. But Mary -- who was saved by grace and is now in Heaven -- would not appear to men to promote false beliefs. So those apparitions -- just like those at seances -- are evil spirits masquerading as others. Satan -- the Bible says -- can transform himself into an angel of light, and so can his minions.

 

[brian100]

To compare BIBLICAL FACT with CATHOLIC FICTION is to downgrade the Bible.

But Mary -- who was saved by grace and is now in Heaven -- would not appear to men to promote false beliefs. So those apparitions -- just like those at seances -- are evil spirits masquerading as others. Satan -- the Bible says -- can transform himself into an angel of light, and so can his minions.

Tong said Mary is dead. Which is it?

Now you think I'll believe you spirits can be like God here? That's crazy talk. Tell your friends you saw and heard the devil.. you will go to loonie house. You will no longer have friends.

 

[Anthony D'Arienzo]

Flipping this question around:

If "Bob" told me that an angel appeared to him and told Him the Calvinistic views of the Gospel was true, I would acknowledge his view and continuing to respect him as a person, even while disagreeing with his beliefs and not believing his claimed experience.

If a person is seeking truth -- really seeking it -- they should first and foremost consult the Spirit of God. Not being a person going solely off another mortal person's claims.

Consult The Spirit? In what way? What do you mean by that?

 

[Nancy]

Amen, yes!
(as God directs to pray)
This does not excuse a church assembly (which the forum is not, thus not subject to what God says) ,
from correcting, teaching, disciplining, training, edifying, rebuking, silencing, and even at times as directed dis-fellowshiping ...
The true body of Christ, believers together , born again ones, set apart (holy) ,
are able to or should always do as God Says, and do what is best for each person as God directs, including healing.

I do hear what you are saying Joseph, and from what I can see...at least 2 of our mods are responding to his posts and, who knows...they might get through to something in his mind and heart! But, honestly, I do believe he needs professional help.

 

[Angelina]

I could agree with you but then we would both be wrong!;)
The rhyming noises you make, let me guess, you believe it is a secret prayer tongue that satan cannot understand.

what rhyming noises are you talking about?

Only you have discernment? I do not think so. The historic church discerned differently than you;

I am sure there are plenty of believers on this forum alone, who have the gift of discernment

1689 confession of faith

Chapter 1: Of the Holy Scriptures

1._____ The Holy Scripture is the only sufficient, certain, and infallible rule of all saving knowledge, faith, and obedience, although the light of nature, and the works of creation and providence do so far manifest the goodness, wisdom, and power of God, as to leave men inexcusable; yet are they not sufficient to give that knowledge of God and his will which is necessary unto salvation. Therefore it pleased the Lord at sundry times and in divers manners to reveal himself, and to declare that his will unto his church; and afterward for the better preserving and propagating of the truth, and for the more sure establishment and comfort of the church against the corruption of the flesh, and the malice of Satan, and of the world, to commit the same wholly unto writing; which maketh the Holy Scriptures to be most necessary, those former ways of God's revealing his will unto his people being now ceased.
( 2 Timothy 3:15-17; Isaiah 8:20; Luke 16:29, 31; Ephesians 2:20; Romans 1:19-21; Romans 2:14,15; Psalms 19:1-3; Hebrews 1:1; Proverbs 22:19-21; Romans 15:4; 2 Peter 1:19,20 ) Millions of Biblical Christians discerned you are in error.

That's nice dear but irrelevant to what we are discussing here....

 

[Jane_Doe22]

Consult The Spirit? In what way? What do you mean by that?

John 14:26
New Testament
26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you

 

[brian100]

So far I have heard here "Mary is Dead. period. End of it." Mr Tong. This dude an Atheist in my mind.

Then another says she went to heaven.

If shes in Heaven then she can come here and show u.

 

[Angelina]

I guess when the devil stole my wife it changed my future and I never did anything for God. So Luke came. Now do u understand? Luke came to say I did do it.

Please tell me, if I'm not being too impertinent, how did the devil steal your wife.....

 

[Josho]

Some people discern by works, others discern by the Holy Spirit, the gift of discernment is by the Holy Spirit.

 

[brian100]

I can't its so horrible a lie I can't repeat it here. But my X said I did something to my child.. and she read (my wife just married) it in my copy of court files (secretly read it). It ended my whole life when she left.. i never knew why she left for 20 years. God had just told me the devil did all this to me. Now its payback time!

 

[Giuliano]

Giuliano,


On what basis do you make this claim?
I study all the time and have taught adult classes in 4 different churches.
I can go anywhere you want to go in scripture, so why do you suggest what you have?
If you want to offer scriptural correction, I will look.
I did notice on the cessationist thread no one here could give the position accurately. No one knows it is the historic position of the church.

What basis? Your own words. You say the Bible is your sole source of spiritual knowledge.

That's very strange too. What good does your studying and teaching classes do you? How many times do you need to read a passage in the Bible in order to understand it? Do you think maybe God will divinely reveal something new to you on the tenth or twentieth reading? If you read other books, why bother? Commentaries aren't scripture.

And how dare you presume to "teach" others about the Bible? Can't other people read for themselves?

I already posted scriptures to correct you. You haven't addressed them in this post.

 

[Joseph77]

By that logic, I should treat you Joseph77 as a liar undeserving of any respect period.

You don't understand. You have not seen any lie in any of my posts.
(no one has),....
so it is not as a liar that you perceive me.

However, GOD IS NO RESPECTER OF PERSONS , this is His Word, and is true. So no, you should not respect any person , in the way God Says.... (no privilege nor prejudicial treatment I think is the closest meaning, today) .

 

[Angelina]

So far I have heard here "Mary is Dead. period. End of it." Mr Tong. This dude an Atheist in my mind.

Then another says she went to heaven.

If shes in Heaven then she can come here and show u.

People who are children of God do not die. Mary was a child of God. She is not dead, neither are any of the saints of God or the apostles...they are in the heavenly realms, I believe. Whether they can cross over from heaven to earth only God knows and only he has the power and authority to make that happen. I do not know but there is some indication in the word of God that appears to suggest that this is not possible.

 

[Jane_Doe22]

You don't understand. You have not seen any lie in any of my posts.
(no one has),....
so it is not as a liar that you perceive me.

However, GOD IS NO RESPECTER OF PERSONS , this is His Word, and is true. So no, you should not respect any person , in the way God Says.... (no privilege nor prejudicial treatment I think is the closest meaning, today) .

Ok, as long and you're wanting people to not respect you or your views as well. That's at least a non-hypocritcal stance.