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[Behold]

That Christ is manifestly present in the Eucharist is taught everywhere by all the apostolic communities they established..

Teaching it for 1500 yrs does not make it True.
There are lots of things being taught as "bible" or as "christianity" that have been taught for 1500 yrs, that are exactly not related to real Christianity.
A good majority of those heresies are created by the "cult of Mary".

 

[Johann]

Brakelite where does it say scripture alone?

Explain acts 1:8

or acts 2:42?

Testimony of the fathers is apostolic tradition! Teaching authority of Christ in His church!

Matt 18:17
Matt 28:19
Lk 10:16
Jn 15:5
Jn 20:21
Acts 1:8
Acts 2:42
1 Tim 3:15

Is the New Testament included in the “Bible alone”?

Please explain how the church of Jesus Christ existed before the New Testament, the church taught and believed before the New Testament with the same authority of Christ!

Church of the apostles has the same mission, ministry, power, and authority as Christ! Jn 20:21-23

The church wrote the New Testament, the church gathered the cannon of scripture, the church alone has authority to say what is, and what is not scripture and to give the authoritative interpretation or meaning of scripture!

where does it say the “Bible alone”?

or that all the truths revealed by Christ are found in scripture?

The apostles expounded from the Torah


"Moses. . .Prophets. . .Psalms" These represent the three divisions of the Hebrew Canon: Law, Prophets, and Writings. This context says something of the Christocentric unity of the Old Testament (see E. W. Hengstenberg, Christology of the Old Testament).
"must be fulfilled" Jesus is found in the OT in symbol, type, and direct prophecy (cf. Mat_5:17 ff).
Luk_24:45 "He opened their minds" See note at Luk_24:31. Humanity cannot understand spiritual truths unaided by God. This is the task usually assigned to the Spirit (cf. Joh_14:16; Joh_16:8-15), but sometime attributed to Jesus (cf. Act_16:14).


Opened he their understanding - Enabled them fully to comprehend the meaning of the prophecies which foretold his death and resurrection. They had seen him die, they now saw him risen. Their prejudices were now, by his instructions, and by the facts which they could no longer call in question, removed, and they no longer doubted that he was the Messiah, and that all the “facts” in the case which had before confounded them could be easily accounted for. Hence, we may learn:
1. That “facts,” or the farther disclosure of truth, will yet remove the “mysteries” that we now see in religion.
2. That our prejudices and our preconceived opinions are one cause of our seeing so many mysteries in the Bible. If a man is willing to take the plain declarations of the Bible, he will commonly be little perplexed with mysteries.
3. That God only can open the mind so as fully to comprehend the Scriptures. He only can overcome our prejudices, open our hearts, and dispose us to receive the ingrafted word with meekness, and with the simplicity of a child. See Act_16:14; Jas_1:21; Mar_10:15.
4. The design of God’s opening the understanding is that we may be acquainted with the Scriptures. It is not that we may be made wise above what is written, but that we may submit ourselves wholly to the Word of God.
Alford

J.

 

[Philip James]

Opened he their understanding

Hello Johann,

Indeed, HE did, including the understanding that the celebration of the Eucharist is the fulfillment of Malachi 1:11

. On the Lord's Day of the Lord come together, break bread and hold Eucharist, after confessing your transgressions that your offering may be pure;
2. But let none who has a quarrel with his fellow join in your meeting until they be reconciled, that your sacrifice be not defiled.
3. For this is that which was spoken by the Lord, "In every place and time offer me a pure sacrifice, for I am a great king," saith the Lord, "and my name is wonderful among the heathen."

~The Didache~

Pax et Bonum

Christ is risen!
Alleluia!

 

[theefaith]

Interesting your church rejects the word of God, scripture, as the foundation of faith and practise, and had introduced on equal and in some cases, greater merit, tradition. Therefore in order to support your tradition, the word being insufficient, you must go elsewhere.
KJV Ephesians 5:25-27
25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;
26 That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,
27 That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.

Nothing about eating human flesh here. The church is sanctified and cleansed by the word of God.

"Sanctify them through thy truth. Thy word is truth". Which is why the Word Himself could testify of Himself that He is Truth.
Not believing scripture as your standard, you resort to men's reinterpretations


“rather than allow scripture to interpret scripture. Scripture is it's own expositor”

where does scripture say this!

You can try it
Tell me what from scripture it was that Christ commanded his apostles to teach the people in Matt 28:20?

why is he commanding the apostles to teach if we have scripture?
Also lk 1:4
Acts 8:31 he had scripture! God sent an angel and an apostle to teach him!

btw how did the eunuch know about baptism?

 

[theefaith]

The apostles expounded from the Torah


"Moses. . .Prophets. . .Psalms" These represent the three divisions of the Hebrew Canon: Law, Prophets, and Writings. This context says something of the Christocentric unity of the Old Testament (see E. W. Hengstenberg, Christology of the Old Testament).
"must be fulfilled" Jesus is found in the OT in symbol, type, and direct prophecy (cf. Mat_5:17 ff).
Luk_24:45 "He opened their minds" See note at Luk_24:31. Humanity cannot understand spiritual truths unaided by God. This is the task usually assigned to the Spirit (cf. Joh_14:16; Joh_16:8-15), but sometime attributed to Jesus (cf. Act_16:14).


Opened he their understanding - Enabled them fully to comprehend the meaning of the prophecies which foretold his death and resurrection. They had seen him die, they now saw him risen. Their prejudices were now, by his instructions, and by the facts which they could no longer call in question, removed, and they no longer doubted that he was the Messiah, and that all the “facts” in the case which had before confounded them could be easily accounted for. Hence, we may learn:
1. That “facts,” or the farther disclosure of truth, will yet remove the “mysteries” that we now see in religion.
2. That our prejudices and our preconceived opinions are one cause of our seeing so many mysteries in the Bible. If a man is willing to take the plain declarations of the Bible, he will commonly be little perplexed with mysteries.
3. That God only can open the mind so as fully to comprehend the Scriptures. He only can overcome our prejudices, open our hearts, and dispose us to receive the ingrafted word with meekness, and with the simplicity of a child. See Act_16:14; Jas_1:21; Mar_10:15.
4. The design of God’s opening the understanding is that we may be acquainted with the Scriptures. It is not that we may be made wise above what is written, but that we may submit ourselves wholly to the Word of God.
Alford

J.

scripture yes!

scripture alone no!

acts 1:8
Acts 2:42
Etc.

We must be taught by Christ in his church
Lk 1:4 Matt 28:19 acts 8:31 etc.


Jesus Christ extends his mission, power, and authority to His church of His apostles!

Even His judging!
Matt 19:28
His teaching authority!
Matt 28:19 and Jn 20:21
His power to forgive sins!
Jn 20:23
His being the light of the world!
Matt 5:14
His ministry of reconciliation!
2 cor 5:18
His authority in governing the church and administering the kingdom!
Matt 16:18-19 & 18:18 Jn 21:17
Lk 22:29
Apart from me you can do nothing. Jn 15:5
So the church is subject to Christ!
Eph 5:24
Christ shares His glory! 2 thes 1:10 rev 12:1


Jesus Christ continues HIS ministry in His new covenant church thru Peter, the apostles, and their successors with the same mission, power, and authority!
Mt 16:18 Mt 28:19 Matt 18:17 Acts 1:17 acts 8:31 & 35 acts 9:4 Lk 10:16 Jn 8:32 Jn 13:20 Jn 15:5 Jn 16:13 Jn 20:21-22 eph 2:20 acts 2:42 1 Tim 3:15

Fundamentalism drives a wedge between Christ and his church, separates Christ from His kingdom, and the authority of Christ from the new covenant!

1 Corinthians 16:22
If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be Anathema

Extends to the truth and the church

Cos Christ is the truth and His church teaches the truth without error! Jn 14:6 matt 28:19 matt 18:17 1 Tim 3:15 Jn 29:21-23 Jn 16:13

Christ and His church are one! Acts 9:4 eph 5:32

Authority of the Apostles!

What authority does Christ have?
What power does Christ have?
What mission / ministry does Christ have?

Peter, the apostles and their successors have the same authority, power, and mission! Jn 20:21 as my father sent me, even so send I you!

John 17:18
As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world.

The apostles are Christ’s successors!
They have authority to send others as well, apostle means one who is sent!

Therefore the apostles have authority to send more apostles or successors!
Apostolic succession!

The nations still need to be taught, disciples still need to be baptized and the church the new covenant kingdom of christ still needs to be governed!

Hebrews 3:1
Wherefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our profession, Christ Jesus;

Christ is an apostle, and has authority to send other apostles, the apostles also have this authority, so the apostles continue down thru the centuries as Christ promised! Matt 28:19-20

Keys of authority! And power to bind and loose! Matt 16:18 and Matt 18:18 matt 28:19 Isa 22:21-22

Moral authority:
(Teaching)
Necessity of being taught by Christ:
Two edge sword: defining truth and condemning errors, and Interpreting scripture.

Jurisdictional authority:
(Governing / administering)
Necessity of Peter and the apostles and their successors to govern the holy church.

Spiritual authority:
(Life of Grace)
Sanctifying thru the mass and Sacraments

The apostles teaching is Christ’s teaching, Christ and His church are one! Acts 9:4

Christian rule of faith is not the Bible alone! But the doctrine of the apostles! Acts 2:42

Jesus Christ continues HIS ministry in His new covenant church thru Peter, the apostles, and their successors with the same mission, power, and authority!
Mt 16:18 Mt 28:19 Acts 1:17 acts 8:31 & 35 Lk 10:16 Jn 8:32 Jn 13:20 Jn 15:5 Jn 16:13 Jn 20:21-22 eph 2:20

 

[Philip James]

Teaching it for 1500 yrs does not make it True.
There are lots of things being taught as "bible" or as "christianity" that have been taught for 1500 yrs, t

Teaching it for 1500 yrs does not make it True.
There are lots of things being taught as "bible" or as "christianity" that have been taught for 1500 yrs, that are exactly not related to real Christianity.
A good majority of those heresies are created by the "cult of Mary".

Dear Behold,

You have such zeal.. it is commendable..

But believing that YOU have a better understanding than 2000 years of your brothers and sisters is the very epitome of hubris..

You too! Are welcome to come to the wedding feast of the Lamb of God!

St. Therese, pray for us!

Christ is risen!
Alleluia!