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No, actually, I had the equivalent of a Master's degree in English proficiency when I was in 11th grade.
But not an actual one it’s all good you want what you aspire to get but you won’t have it . As far as salvation unless you are of Israel
 

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But not an actual one it’s all good you want what you aspire to get but you won’t have it . As far as salvation unless you are of Israel
Umm... wow... remember, remember, remember... what you wanted to say was I had a disability... but the people who perform testing recognized that I was relatively "gifted"... which fact militates against your claim...
 

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So was that a racial slur in acts 13:1 in reference to barnabas and Simeon.
My guy, my guy. "Samaritans" were half-breeds, and hated by Jews, and so "Samaritan" became a racial slur--Jesus didn't care, and told the Jews "look at the Samaritan's behavior and follow his example".

Now, my point was as follows : God only cares about righteous behavior, not racial purity.

Your misguided (again the Jews weren't Blacks--they were racists against Blacks in demonstrable cases) obsession with racial purity is bondage not freedom not righteousness.
 

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You might deny that I do, but, yes, I do.

Did you know Paul denied circumcision was a command of God?
Paul did not deny circumcision , he was explain it profits you nothing is are physically circumcised and yet you follow not Christ and keep the commandments of god.
Where can we find the law or commandments of god in the Bible would that be the Torah ?
Which was given to one nation, yet you say because they broke gods law . Then god would give his law to heathen nations. Let’s say so then why is Christ sent only for the lost sheep of the house of Israel . And not the lost sheep of all nations
 

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My guy, my guy. "Samaritans" were half-breeds, and hated by Jews, and so "Samaritan" became a racial slur--Jesus didn't care, and told the Jews "look at the Samaritan's behavior and follow his example".

Now, my point was as follows : God only cares about righteous behavior, not racial purity.

Your misguided (again the Jews weren't Blacks--they were racists against Blacks in demonstrable cases) obsession with racial purity is bondage not freedom not righteousness.
You are saying the Jews were racist against blacks so called and that is not biblical. I literally just showed you a racial slur used against Israelites and you are ignoring that.
 

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Paul did not deny circumcision , he was explain it profits you nothing is are physically circumcised and yet you follow not Christ and keep the commandments of god.
Where can we find the law or commandments of god in the Bible would that be the Torah ?
Which was given to one nation, yet you say because they broke gods law . Then god would give his law to heathen nations. Let’s say so then why is Christ sent only for the lost sheep of the house of Israel . And not the lost sheep of all nations
1 Corinthians 7
For neither circumcision counts for anything nor uncircumcision, but keeping the commandments of God.

By saying "keeping the Commandments of God" counted, and "circumcision" and "uncircumcision" meant nothing--even warning against circumcision Galatians 5:3-4--he is denying circumcision is a Command of God.

He wasn't under Torah 1 Corinthians 9:19-22. He was dead to Torah Galatians 2:19.
 

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My guy, my guy. "Samaritans" were half-breeds, and hated by Jews, and so "Samaritan" became a racial slur--Jesus didn't care, and told the Jews "look at the Samaritan's behavior and follow his example".

Now, my point was as follows : God only cares about righteous behavior, not racial purity.

Your misguided (again the Jews weren't Blacks--they were racists against Blacks in demonstrable cases) obsession with racial purity is bondage not freedom not righteousness.
Let’s go to the law Deuteronomy 23:2 in the NKJV

2“One of illegitimate birth shall not enter the assembly of the Lord; even to the tenth generation none of his descendantsshall enter the assembly of the Lord.

3“An Ammonite or Moabite shall not enter the assembly of the Lord; even to the tenth generation none of his descendantsshall enter the assembly of the Lordforever, “
The ammonites and moabites are other nations why aren’t they promised salvation ? just because they were born illegitimately.
That would contradict your point of the law being for other nation and salvation
 

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You are saying the Jews were racist against blacks so called and that is not biblical. I literally just showed you a racial slur used against Israelites and you are ignoring that.
1. Oh, I already provided the text proving Aaron and Miriam were anti-Black racists.
2. I don't think "Niger" was a racial slur--and the fact that he was called "Niger" means that it was conspicuous that he was dark. It was abnormal.
3. Just because someone was called "Niger" doesn't prove anything about the rest of the Jews--the Pharisees were denounced for traveling everywhere to make converts, and Jews know historically that Judaism was exploding at the time, and many converts were being made from Gentiles.
 

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Let’s go to the law Deuteronomy 23:2 in the NKJV

2“One of illegitimate birth shall not enter the assembly of the Lord; even to the tenth generation none of his descendantsshall enter the assembly of the Lord.

3“An Ammonite or Moabite shall not enter the assembly of the Lord; even to the tenth generation none of his descendantsshall enter the assembly of the Lordforever, “
The ammonites and moabites are other nations why aren’t they promised salvation ? just because they were born illegitimately.
That would contradict your point of the law being for other nation and salvation
Jesus' great grandmother was a Moabitess.
 

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1 Corinthians 7
For neither circumcision counts for anything nor uncircumcision, but keeping the commandments of God.

By saying "keeping the Commandments of God" counted, and "circumcision" and "uncircumcision" meant nothing--even warning against circumcision Galatians 5:3-4--he is denying circumcision is a Command of God.

He wasn't under Torah 1 Corinthians 9:19-22. He was dead to Torah Galatians 2:19.
2 Peter 3:15
And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation, even as our beloved brother Paul also, according to the wisdom given unto him, hath written unto you,

16 as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things. Therein are some things hard to understand, which those who are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other Scriptures, unto their own destruction.“
I explained what Paul was explaining these people believed not on the messaiah to come . Keeping the commandments of circumcision does not fulfill your requirements with god. You must believe on the son of god as the scriptures have said
 

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That would contradict your point of the law being for other nation and salvation
You actually misunderstood my argument.

Let me try again.

I said God would get another people--another people, ipso facto, means "not Jewish".
An important aspect of their being "not Jewish" would be "without Torah", and "foolish" could very well be a way of denoting this since "Torah" is called their "wisdom" (to be "without wisdom" is to be "foolish").
 

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1. Oh, I already provided the text proving Aaron and Miriam were anti-Black racists.
2. I don't think "Niger" was a racial slur--and the fact that he was called "Niger" means that it was conspicuous that he was dark. It was abnormal.
3. Just because someone was called "Niger" doesn't prove anything about the rest of the Jews--the Pharisees were denounced for traveling everywhere to make converts, and Jews know historically that Judaism was exploding at the time, and many converts were being made from Gentiles.
Yeah I can continue a conversation if there is no understanding. The word means never mind you don’t or rather won’t allow yourself to
 

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2 Peter 3:15
And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation, even as our beloved brother Paul also, according to the wisdom given unto him, hath written unto you,

16 as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things. Therein are some things hard to understand, which those who are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other Scriptures, unto their own destruction.“
I explained what Paul was explaining these people believed not on the messaiah to come . Keeping the commandments of circumcision does not fulfill your requirements with god. You must believe on the son of god as the scriptures have said
Actually, I claim the very same warning is what applies to you--except I have bases for my appeal to you, you have none for me.

Paul wasn't under Torah but dead to Torah. How do you respond?
 

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You actually misunderstood my argument.

Let me try again.

I said God would get another people--another people, ipso facto, means "not Jewish".
An important aspect of their being "not Jewish" would be "without Torah", and "foolish" could very well be a way of denoting this since "Torah" is called their "wisdom" (to be "without wisdom" is to be "foolish").
Can I get the Bible verse that say Torah is wisdom please ? Do that
 
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