Randy Kluth
Well-Known Member
That is righteousness of faith we have there in Hebrews 11:8. It’s not another righteousness. In fact, before God appeared to Abraham in Mesopotamia, before he dwelt in Haran, and said to him, ‘Get out of your country and from your relatives, and come to a land that I will show you, Abraham was said to belong to a family of idol worshippers. Do you think, Abraham was viewed by God as righteous then? I don’t think so. For how can one who worships idols be righteous in the sight of God?
You make no argument at all.
I am sorry but I do not find those scriptures as saying nor implying that Israel as a nation was viewed as righteous by God. Please give the best scriptures out of the many you say, that tells is that concerning Israel as a nation.
Many, many Scriptures inform Israel that in keeping the Law they will be viewed as "righteous." Way too obvious. If you can't accept that, you won't accept anything. I gave you Scriptures, and you don't accept them. Your problem--not mine.
That only shows that Israel was not righteous as per requirement of the law. If at all they could be said to have a righteousness for a time, it means they have, as a nation, perfectly observed and kept the law. Was there? I have not read any of that in scriptures.
That's a pathetic argument! Israel was righteous when they kept the Law. Period.
I am sorry but I don’t subscribe to the idea pf assuming that Adam and Eve righteous and innocent before the fall. For being righteous necessitates having knowledge of good and evil and choosing to do what they know is righteous. Which I understand Adam and Eve doesn’t have until they ate of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.
What was said is that they did not have the knowledge of good and evil. It doesn't say they had no knowledge of good. God said "it was very good" when He made them. Surely they knew that from the start?
The fact that they were prevented means if they were not, and they ate of the tree of life, they will live forever. That is clearly implied in Gen.3:22.
Non-argument.
Not arguing over words. I am trying to show you what is clearly implied in the passage pertaining to Adam and Eve’s capacity to eat of the tree of life and live forever. If they didn’t have such capacity, there was really no need for God to take them out of Eden so they won’t have access to the tree and eat of it.
Tong
R1790
Non-argument. I think we're nearing the end of this discussion. If you just want to disagree for the sake of disagreeing, I'm not interested. I'm making real arguments, and you seem to just be rejecting them because you can.