Since no one keeps the commandments perfectly, there is always need for forgiveness.
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Page 1. What would Jesus say of us to see our infighting over these two topics.Maybe this will help bring peace?
God said he wrote his commandments upon our heart that we would not be separated, my word, from them.
We are indwelt by his holy spirit. Therefore, he is there to keep those commands within our awareness as the helper.
And all of this is made our reality by the cross. The new Covenant that brings us the assurance that is redemption, through our repentance of our sins, rebirth as a new creation in Christ, and immortal life in him because we are sealed by his holy spirit according to the promise.
That of salvation, by God and his grace, through our faith in him and the gospel.
Therein the commandments and the cross are not at odds. They are part of our story as saints of God.
Christians.
There is no Jew, nor Gentile, no male,or female, because we are all one in Christ Jesus.
One. :)
Don't let squabbles divide us. Especially when there is no reason for them.
God blesses us all.
Every day. :)
Not according to the Blood of Jesus.
See, we the born again, (are you) ?? We the born again, live in the NEW TESTAMENT.
If we lived in the OLD TESTAMENT, then there is no CHRIST, and all you have are commandments that you can't keep.
So in the OT< you had a temporary solution, = animal blood.
Later, arrived the NEW COVENANT (New Testament), God resolved that failed OT covenant, by removing it because it could not give you righteousness, and replaced it with ONLY what Gives you RIGHTEOUSNESS.
That is THE CROSS, the blood of Jesus, the death of Christ, and the resurrection, as proof.
So, when a legalist, like you, teaches, as you just did, that Salvation is... The Cross + The Commandments, then you just rejected God's Grace, and contradicted "Justification by faith".
And you'll do it again, because you don't understand Salvation.
That is why God found FAULT with the "old covenant"... Its because all that commandment keeping, can't deal with the fact that you are a SINNER.
So, God provided what CAN deal with that, and this is not the commandments, or water, or Mary, or good behavior.
All that can wash away your sin, and give you God's very Righteousness, is CHRIST's BLOOD.
You are simply missing the point, because you cannot see the forest for the trees. Yes, the blood of Christ does indeed cleanse all believers from unrighteousness upon conversion.
Yet the fact remains that even after they have been saved, they need to confess present sins (if any) and deal with them. See 1 John 1, 2. And the blood of Christ keeps on cleansing them.
You are still unable to see the connection between the Ten Commandments and the Law of Christ. The problem is that you believe you are a teacher, when in fact you should be a student. And I could ask you the same question "Are you born again?" since you are so confused about Gospel truth.
quietthinker
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Agreed.
We don't keep the commandments of God in order to be saved. We keep the commandments because we are saved.
Jesus spoke of the importance of the Commandments to have life.
Matthew 19:16-22, Mark 10:17-22,
Luke 18:19-23
If you read 1John 1 in full you will see that it isn't the redeemed being referred to there.
See here? Now this is the gospel message we have heard from him and announce to you....
The gospel is being brought to those in the chapter 1.
This is why these verses speak to the unsaved just after the verses that speak of the redeemed who walk in the light.
8.If we say we do not bear the guilt of sin, we are deceiving ourselves and the truth is not in us. 9 But if we confess our sins, he is faithful and righteous, forgiving us our sins and cleansing us from all unrighteousness. 10 If we say we have not sinned, we make him a liar and his word is not in us.
We who are cleansed of our sins have been forgiven them. And God remembers them no more.
It wouldn't be Salvation at all if we have sin within us and need confess all the time to be forgiven over and over again. That would make the cross of none effect.
False. Who but Christians can have fellowship with the Father, the Son, the Holy Spirit, the apostles, and other redeemed children of God? Unbelievers cannot have fellowship.
We are spirit and soul. When we first believe, we are justified, spirit and soul. At this time, our spirit is reborn of incorruptible seed. Never to sin again.
However, our soul is wounded and needs healing. One thing at a time needs to be repented of. There's a fair amount of teaching to go along with this, all biblical, as the Lord reveals it.
For me to begin to receive this, the Lord had to prepare me for it. Unfortunately for me, I was very stubborn and root-bound. The Lord can even deal with people like me. :)
However, our soul is wounded and needs healing. One thing at a time needs to be repented of. There's a fair amount of teaching to go along with this, all biblical, as the Lord reveals it.
For me to begin to receive this, the Lord had to prepare me for it. Unfortunately for me, I was very stubborn and root-bound. The Lord can even deal with people like me. :)
Not at all false. 1 John 1 is clear as glass.
The gospel was being proclaimed yo sinners in 1John 1 by those who were redeemed of their sins.
The teaching is from the first person,saved ones, perspective unto those still dead in their sins.
John 1
New English Translation
The Prologue to the Letter
1 This is what we proclaim to you: what was from the beginning, what we have heard, what we have seen with our eyes, what we have looked at and our hands have touched (concerning the word of life— 2 and the life was revealed, and we have seen and testify and announce to you the eternal life that was with the Father and was revealed to us). 3 What we have seen and heard we announce to you too, so that you may have fellowship with us (and indeed our fellowship is with the Father and with his Son Jesus Christ). 4 Thus we are writing these things so that our joy may be complete.
God Is Light, So We Must Walk in the Light
5 Now this is the gospel message we have heard from him and announce to you: God is light, and in him there is no darkness at all. 6 If we say we have fellowship with him and yet keep on walking in the darkness, we are lying and not practicing the truth. 7 But if we walk in the light as he himself is in the light, we have fellowship with one another and the blood of Jesus his Son cleanses us from all sin. 8 If we say we do not bear the guilt of sin, we are deceiving ourselves and the truth is not in us. 9 But if we confess our sins, he is faithful and righteous, forgiving us our sins and cleansing us from all unrighteousness. 10 If we say we have not sinned, we make him a liar and his word is not in us.
Are you saying our soul needs to repent after our spirit is reborn of incorruptible seed?
And that is the problem...you didn't read all of it...and took out of context that which you did read.
The Old Testament is what Paul the apostle was speaking of in 2 Timothy 3:16. It is also what Peter was speaking of in 2 Peter 1:3-4.
So, the Old Testament is valid and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, and for instruction in righteousness. It also contains exceedingly great and precious promises by which we can become partakers of the divine nature and escape the corruption that is in the world through lust.
If Christ has your sin, why are you confessing it?
So, Jesus has it, became it, died for it, and redeemed you from it, or you still have it, and are not saved.
Make up your mind, Enoch.
"but behold, over there in 1 john it says that """.
That's not talking to you.
That verse is talking to the unbelievers who have their sin, and need to have Christ deal with it...
See, here is the thing about the NT...
You have apostles in the NT, who are PREACHERS, and sometimes you find them PREACHING.
They are not preaching to the Church, they are preaching to the LOST.
This happens in "John", and "Hebrews", and this has to be understood, and when its not you have people like you, and justbyfaith, and ferris bueller, and wrangler, who only read the bible like its a phone book and can't realize that when an Apostle is preaching to the LOST, they are not giving doctrine for the CHURCH.
And when a person can't rightly divide this, or spiritually discern this, they end up on forums twisting certain verses against believers.
These types are on every forum, causing chaos, and ruining real believer's faith.
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