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Personally I have to go before my father since we are admonished not to call any man father upon this earth. If that's all that others can do then God must speak to it.

Matthew 23:9 KJVS
And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.

No man, no preacher, no evangelist, no deacon, no priest no reverend, no pastor, no man came to me and convicted, instructed me to repent and forgave my sin. Jesus alone. I owe no man to tell of my personal failures though in my house we sit and speak of the Lord, our failures, our learning. Our afflictions, travails, victories and defeats. Two or more is the base rule.

Ezekiel chapter 34 is my personal testimony. I shook no preacher's hand, walked no aisle, signed no book and am not beholding to any of man's created denominations. I do owe a debt of gratitude to those that prayed for my salvation. Especially my uncle Douglas Franklin who prayed for me for years.

Psalm 62:8 tells me to pour out my heart before Him, He is a refuge for me. Men can give comfort but only Jesus can give divine and final absolution. We can tell each other of our failures - sins - but only the judge of all has the final say.

Once we forgive a person are they free, exonerated, held blameless from their offense? Even if they are completely unrepentant? That's God's decision.

We must not hold unforgivness against another as it can be to their condemnation and certainly will be to ours. After we forgive we are free whether or not the offending party repents. After we forgive another the matter is between them and the Lord. We are released whether or not they are. We have obeyed the master.

Once a family member touched my small young daughter thinking they could get away with it. Our daughter being a born again Christian by age 4 came and told us of the matter. She couldn't have been over 5.

As a father I don't know whether you can comprehend my feelings or not. You might guess them. I took this family member aside and spoke with him telling that my daughter had told her mother and I about what he'd done. I told him that we forgave him. I also told him that were it not for Jesus I don't know what I would have done. Assaults upon your children bring up emotions you were ignorant of.

Perhaps I should never relate anything personal here before strangers? We come to know each other to a degree. However many deep relationships began with mere letters. Perhaps I go far beyond the pale in my testimonies. I see little of such things from others. Maybe by being completely open about my life someone is helped, I'm not sure but I hope. There are many silent readers that never post or announce their presence. Often I sense a restraint from others to relate, to share, to pour out their heart about such gut rending things. If I'm a fool for baring my heart then I pray it's for Jesus. I don't mind being a fool for Him.

The family member that had offended and sinned against my child seemed repentant and I think they were. Several years later at the age of 30 this man went out one night, doused himself with gasoline and set himself on fire. Neighbors called 911 and he was taken to ACH, Arkansas Children's Hospital. His father called to tell me.

He was burned over more than 30 % of his body with 3rd degree burns. He was rallying so my wife and I went to a movie to get out of the house. The movie was "the perfect storm" a true story about a fishing vessel that sank in a storm.

The main character Bobby, shared his name with our family member. As the man floated on the huge waves awaiting death his life memories ran through his mind, faces of loved ones clearly framed. In the midst of that film surrounded by a crowd of strangers, Martha and I began to cry. I suppose those that noticed thought it was the movie. We knew right then Bobby was about to die and would not live. The Lord spoke to us through that man made thing.

We were called to the hospital the very next day as Bobby's condition was terminal. As his father and I stood next to Bobby's bed we listened to the doctor's report. Only the life support systems were holding him in life. Once he had told me he loved me more than his own father. What a waste of life. He had many other afflictions but not due to a sin filled life.

As a small boy His parents would leave him and his brother alone all weekend while they went to party. The boys were about 6 and 8 at the time. They would leave them with food but totally alone. Neighbors reported seeing them under a street light in the wee hours of the morning awaiting for their heartless parents to come home. I wish I'd have taken legal action. Their mother was one of the coldest, truly amoral people I ever knew.

Bobby was completely broken mentally and the Lord is the judge in such matters. He was not in control when he did this thing.

Bobby's father's reply to the doctor was brief, "pull the plugs". I watched as the white curved line on the monitor went from the zig zag sinus rythym indicating life to a straight horizontal one. Bobby was gone. His mother was divorced from his father and had planned to go camping with no thought of attending her sons funeral. Her roommate talked her into going, entirely against her will. My wife wept through the chapel service and Bobby's mother elbowing her all the while.

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Bobby about 11 fishing at our pond.

Our discussions here must be more than some sort of mental exercise. They must really be able to help others in their spiritual life. If all I ever share is regarded as a good read or an interesting testimony then I have poured out my heart in vain. I refuse to share anything if it's not really from my heart.

Perhaps, just perhaps someone is actually helped, guided, influenced toward the Lord by such real life accounts such as this one. I pray so. I do feel alone in these testimonies I must say.

Confession must be to God. Our forgiveness must be sincere. We are all yearning for forgiveness and complete acceptance by the Lord. We share these things with others and in so doing we can stir up in them a self examination regarding their own sins.


James 5:16 KJVS
Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.

Sin is not just a Bible word. It has killed more people that all diseases and wars combined. Jesus is the only antidote.

YES I Have posted thing that were close to this, things that have happened in this life, that were hard for me to overcome, forgiving others has a great reward, not for them but to our souls, carrying resentment only hurts those that carry it. As you have said I would rather be a fool for Christ, in hope that others might gain understanding for their life happenings!
When you truly Forgive, you do free yourself, and Joy can and will return!
 

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To GodsGrace,


I don't understand what you mean.


IF it's true that only a properly ordained priest of the singular RC denomination may forgive sins, then obviously the rest of us can't. And that creates quite a problem since ALL of us are told to forgive sins (in fact, properly ordained priest of the RC denomination are never even mentioned in Scripture), and this extends to the prayer Jesus taught ALL OF US (not just priest of the individual RC denomination) to pray, the petition that states, ".... and forgive US OUR trespasses as WE FORGIVE those to trespass against us." Ah.... if the claim is true that only Catholic clergy may forgive sins, and the rest of the 99.9% of Christians cannot, then 99.9% of Christians are praying that God not forgive us - and Jesus instructed us to pray for that.


Why was it wrong to include this in the Lord's Prayer?

IF the claim stated above is true - that only proper clergy of the singular, individual RC denomination may forgive sins (the rest of us - maybe 99.9% of Christians cannot) then in the Lord's Prayer, we are asking God to not forgive us since we don't forgive others.

No, I don't think praying this petition of the Lord's Prayer is wrong, I think the claim is wrong, the claim that only clergy of the RC denomination may forgive, I think ALL Christians not only can but are required to do so.



How would you explain John 20:23?


1. I don't think Jesus address this specifically and exclusively to the properly ordained priest of the singular, individual RC denomination. I suspect this applies to all Christians.

2. I also don't think this is to be understood apart from every other Scripture. Actually, Christians don't forgive (because Scripture says only God can do that) BUT we can - and are mandated to - pronounce absolution WHERE THERE IS REPENTANCE AND FAITH, indeed, God promises forgiveness where there is repentance and faith, so where there is repentance and faith, we CAN (with certainly) proclaim God's forgiveness, and where such is absent, we can withhold it. But even that is not absolute: God MAY forgive where there is NOT repentance and faith (as Jesus did to His executioners.... as Corry Ten Boon did to her tormentors) but we cannot do so in the name of Christ since there is no promise that God will so forgive. The forgiveness we extend is always conditional since we cannot KNOW if there is repentance and faith, only God can. Which is why absolution usually contains words to the effect, "Upon this your confession......" in other words, "conditional upon the repentance and faith you proclaimed...."




- Josiah




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speaking in tongues, iow

that other one = confusion imo
deliberately confused in the accounts to make the point
speaking in tongues OT, who can find it?

none of us share ezackly the same def for any word imo
we all "speak in tongues"
We all do speak in tongues if we have really come to know God, but that doesn't always mean that we all speak in an unknown human type language formed in our mouth by God although for some it is just exactly that.

Jesus spoke in an "unknown" tongue when he spoke in parables that many of the hearers did not understand. He was his own interpreter for those to whom it was give to receive and interpretation. When did Jesus not speak in parables? So when do believers not speak in tongues unknown to many of those around them?
 
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When did Jesus not speak in parables?
of course a "when" comes to mind, but we can note a diff in what Christ said--"it is given for you to understand"--v what the Apostles actually understood, at the time at least. I dunno if this is to reflect a new seeker's initial lack of understanding, or what exactly
 

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of course a "when" comes to mind, but we can note a diff in what Christ said--"it is given for you to understand"--v what the Apostles actually understood, at the time at least. I dunno if this is to reflect a new seeker's initial lack of understanding, or what exactly
We are supposed to grow toward the Lord and His Way and away from our own. This what I believe John the Baptist meant here:

"He must increase, but I must decrease." John 3:30
 

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We all do speak in tongues if we have really come to know God, but that doesn't always mean that we all speak in an unknown human type language formed in our mouth by God although for some it is just exactly that.
"Jesus did not die for your sins" is surely SiT for many believers i guess
bc there is also a sense in which He did
 
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"Jesus did not die for your sins" is surely SiT for many believers i guess
bc there is also a sense in which He did
We should not be coming to God or to men with our own finalized conclusions. That is not humility. We come to Him with nothing and then we ask, seek and knock. He will then not leave us empty but fill us with good things. If we are too full of our own things [even scripturally based conclusions] where is there room for Him?

"But when thou art bidden, go and sit down in the lowest room; that when he that bade thee cometh, he may say unto thee, Friend, go up higher: then shalt thou have worship in the presence of them that sit at meat with thee.
For whosoever exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted." Luke 14:10-11
 

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To GodsGrace,

IF it's true that only a properly ordained priest of the singular RC denomination may forgive sins, then obviously the rest of us can't. And that creates quite a problem since ALL of us are told to forgive sins (in fact, properly ordained priest of the RC denomination are never even mentioned in Scripture), and this extends to the prayer Jesus taught ALL OF US (not just priest of the individual RC denomination) to pray, the petition that states, ".... and forgive US OUR trespasses as WE FORGIVE those to trespass against us." Ah.... if the claim is true that only Catholic clergy may forgive sins, and the rest of the 99.9% of Christians cannot, then 99.9% of Christians are praying that God not forgive us - and Jesus instructed us to pray for that.


IF the claim stated above is true - that only proper clergy of the singular, individual RC denomination may forgive sins (the rest of us - maybe 99.9% of Christians cannot) then in the Lord's Prayer, we are asking God to not forgive us since we don't forgive others.

No, I don't think praying this petition of the Lord's Prayer is wrong, I think the claim is wrong, the claim that only clergy of the RC denomination may forgive, I think ALL Christians not only can but are required to do so.


1. I don't think Jesus address this specifically and exclusively to the properly ordained priest of the singular, individual RC denomination. I suspect this applies to all Christians.

2. I also don't think this is to be understood apart from every other Scripture. Actually, Christians don't forgive (because Scripture says only God can do that) BUT we can - and are mandated to - pronounce absolution WHERE THERE IS REPENTANCE AND FAITH, indeed, God promises forgiveness where there is repentance and faith, so where there is repentance and faith, we CAN (with certainly) proclaim God's forgiveness, and where such is absent, we can withhold it. But even that is not absolute: God MAY forgive where there is NOT repentance and faith (as Jesus did to His executioners.... as Corry Ten Boon did to her tormentors) but we cannot do so in the name of Christ since there is no promise that God will so forgive. The forgiveness we extend is always conditional since we cannot KNOW if there is repentance and faith, only God can. Which is why absolution usually contains words to the effect, "Upon this your confession......" in other words, "conditional upon the repentance and faith you proclaimed...."

- Josiah

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OK. I see what you mean.

We are definitely to forgive sins...but those committed against us personally. I can't forgive Joe because he stole something; only if he stole it from ME.

If it's true that there is Apostolic succession, then the priests of today would be like the Apostles of Jesus' time. Jesus told the Apostles to go and baptize and teach,
Mathew 28:20

Jesus gave to the Apostles the authority to forgive sin or withhold forgiveness,
John 20:23 He was not speaking to everyone, just to them.

Corey Ten Boon forgave her tormentors for what they did to HER.
It remains to be seen if they asked God for forgiveness.

Thanks for a nice reply.

I need to confirm that I'm not catholic but if we want to be honest, there is apostolic succession and either they or the Eastern Orthodox church have it...
 

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Are you saying the CC teaches this?
Not that I'm aware of...

Yes it does. From the catechism:

1268 The baptized have become "living stones" to be "built into a spiritual house, to be a holy priesthood."73 By Baptism they share in the priesthood of Christ, in his prophetic and royal mission. They are "a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, God's own people, that [they] may declare the wonderful deeds of him who called [them] out of darkness into his marvelous light."74 Baptism gives a share in the common priesthood of all believers.

Peace!
 

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Yes it does. From the catechism:

1268 The baptized have become "living stones" to be "built into a spiritual house, to be a holy priesthood."73 By Baptism they share in the priesthood of Christ, in his prophetic and royal mission. They are "a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, God's own people, that [they] may declare the wonderful deeds of him who called [them] out of darkness into his marvelous light."74 Baptism gives a share in the common priesthood of all believers.

Peace!
Thanks!
This is indeed correct. They just never SAY it!!
Not here anyway. I have begun to hear that we are all saints.
And thus, that we are holy (set apart).
 

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Doesn't one have to be wrong?
Is the Pope the final authority figure or the individual bishops in the EO?

The split between the eastern and western churches was foreshadowed in the split between Israel and Judah..

Interesting how good has come from the errors (on both sides) that led to the schism, as they competed with each other to see who would preserve 'the deposit of faith'. 1000 years apart and their teachings are virtually identical except for the scope of the authoriry of the chair of Peter...
Evidence to me that both retain valid authority and the protection of the Holy Spirit...

And that old split is being repaired... The excommunications have been recinded on both sides and the move to full communion has been proceeding since...

Not surprising as this will fulfill the prophecy of the two sticks being made one...

My personal opinion is that 'the two witnesses' are champions of the eastern and western church who will preach in Jerusalem and convert the rest of Israel in the last days...

Peace!
 
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The split between the eastern and western churches was foreshadowed in the split between Israel and Judah..

Interesting how good has come from the errors (on both sides) that led to the schism, as they competed with each other to see who would preserve 'the deposit of faith'. 1000 years apart and their teachings are virtually identical except for the scope of the authoriry of the chair of Peter...
Evidence to me that both retain valid authority and the protection of the Holy Spirit...

And that old split is being repaired... The excommunications have been recinded on both sides and the move to full communion has been proceeding since...

Not surprising as this will fulfill the prophecy of the two sticks being made one...

My personal opinion is that 'the two witnesses' are champions of the eastern and western church who will preach in Jerusalem and convert the rest of Israel in the last days...

Peace!
Thanks.
I particularly liked paragraph two.
 
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I confess that I have been wrong on many things and will continue to make mistakes while I travel down the path I have chosen and learning from the past.

In the end I can only hope the Lord forgives me and lets me enter the kingdom of God
 
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Thanks!
This is indeed correct. They just never SAY it!!
a prob there is the def of "baptized" imo,
"1268 The baptized have become "living stones"..."

wherein this is technically true, but some SiT is going on @ "baptized," see;
they mean "ritually sprinkled with water after making a profession."

"the baptized" have also led Crusades and Inquisitions, i guess