Connecting the dots = a pre-tribulation rapture.

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David in NJ

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Please take your anti-christ message elsewhere.
The LORD JESUS CHRIST will indeed rebuke your lying against His words and against the Body of Christ who love His words.

The lying doctrine of pre-trib is from the spirit of anti-chist as it opposes CHRIST's Prophecy = Matthew chapter 24

The lying doctrine of pre-trib is from the spirit of anti-chist as it opposes CHRIST's Apostles = 1st & 2nd Thessalonians

The LORD JESUS CHRIST Says:
For I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book:
If anyone adds to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this book;
and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the Book of Life, from the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
 

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I disagree. Most pre-tribbers think the apostasy is when the christians depart from the faith....despite the FACT "depart from the faith " isn't part of 2 Thes 2:3. Those words aren't there but assumed they are. They succumb to the "mandela effect". You do it.


No, apostasia means to morally depart or defect from something.


The way I see it the changing of the world apostate to revolt was a theological bias based reason ...rather than a literal direct translation of "stand away from".
The word "revolt" influenced the King James Version and over time became the incorrect standard or perception of the word "apostate" seen in modern bibles.


No, apostate and apostasy are negative things and nothing has been changed. Paul was speaking of a time that Christians would commit apostasy related to the man of sin and the tribulation. The Greek meaning of the word he used cannot be validly changed despite Pretrib trying. The doctrine desperately needs a physical departure to happen at the time Paul said a moral departure would happen. Now we see how easily the apostasy will happen with so much of the Church wanting it to be something wonderful.
 

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The LORD JESUS CHRIST will indeed rebuke your lying against His words and against the Body of Christ who love His words.

The lying doctrine of pre-trib is from the spirit of anti-chist as it opposes CHRIST's Prophecy = Matthew chapter 24

The lying doctrine of pre-trib is from the spirit of anti-chist as it opposes CHRIST's Apostles = 1st & 2nd Thessalonians
Come on, man. He is (and they are) not lying, he is (and they are) just wrong. And... it's okay.

Grace and peace to you, David.
 

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Come on, man. He is (and they are) not lying, he is (and they are) just wrong. And... it's okay.

Grace and peace to you, David.
We are not talking about generalizations here and there.
Neither are we talking about trying to understand the words of the LORD.

A person who DIRECTLY opposes the words of GOD are not seeking Truth but are sowing seeds of discord.
You say: "It's OK"
Do you really believe GOD thinks it is "OK"???

GOD made this CRYSTAL CLEAR in Genesis and Proverbs 30:5-6 and in the Gospel

When they are shown their error and they falsely accuse the brethren = they get the Truth from God's Word.

Do you think that the LORD was making an empty threat in Revelation 22:18-19?

The fear
of the LORD is the BEGINNING of WISDOM.

Do you think they will escape judgement when they preach against the Gospel, against the Apostles and against Revelation?

Where & when did God Say: "It is OK to purposely mishandle His words?
 

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My view is the rapture EVENT...is when the dead in Christ, that is every believer in Christ through out history who has died will be raised from the grave like Jesus was raised form grave will ascend into the "clouds" and meet Jesus in the air. Their resurrected now glorified bodies will then be joined with their spirit that went to heaven when they died.
Just after that moment of resurrection those believers in Christ who have not died...still living....will then be taken up into the air....receive glorified bodies...then all the dead in Christ and all those still alive in Christ will return to heaven with Jesus.

To mock people for not believing what you believe..saying they are in the kiddie pool...as if you, you, you corner the market on "rapture" theology is extremely insulting and your ad-homimen remark is uncalled for.
The "mock" is not mocking, but a long overdue "Grow up! Read the scriptures fully--what was to happen, what was laid at our feet, was wake up, rise let us be going, press on, mature, by the renewing of your mind--and finish the race. So, yeah, making a Mary had a little lamb doctrine out of the baby-talk of first parental words from Christ, is cause for a wake up call.

And you described that Mary had a little lamb doctrine perfectly. Unfortunately, for it to actually be true, God would have to adjust to the terms and times of this world, instead of us adjusting to His timeless ways; the rapture would be a zombie apocalypse of dead people walking around like it was Halloween, instead of the parable that the dead rising is supposed to be; heaven would actually be clouds in the earth's atmosphere, instead of spiritually omnipresent; the air would actually be "water" and the divide between heaven and earth would have to be crossed with a flying submarine, instead of it all occurring "within you"; God would have to break His own rule of not allowing flesh and blood to inherit the kingdom of Heaven and apologize for saying that the flesh returns to the dust and only the spirit returns to Him; Jesus would have to apologize for saying "today" (you will be with me in Paradise) is when the spirit body leaves the flesh body--and sorry for the delay and the Purgatory experience that wasn't really suppose to happen--My bad!; those who thought they were born again and had the Holy Spirit "within" them would learn that No, sorry for wasting your time, but you will now be receiving Him and Jesus up in the sky, and No, no flesh gets to go--shake it off--here put this robe on, time to go...instead of reigning with Christ from the time they actually received the Holy Spirit and Christ, until the passing of their flesh bodies, at which time the rapture becomes most apparent with the transition of time unto eternity, and awakening to what “Eye has not seen, nor ear heard, Nor have entered into the heart of man The things which God has prepared for those who love Him”--"in the twinkling of an eye."

Now--remove those parts of the above paragraph that you have believed--and you'll have it.
 

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I agree. The dead in christ are resurrected then raptured by Jesus....then...those that are alive are raptured...and BOTH return to heaven with Jesus.
It would appear that you don't know what you have just said.

That would spiritually translate something like this: "The dead in Christ are raise up then raised of by Jesus...then...those that are alive are raised up...and BOTH return to heaven with Jesus." Which makes three events out of one.

What you are not accounting for is timeless nature of God. The rapture is His event, His way. Meaning, one event including all...with the explanation that "we who are alive and remain" "do not precede the dead" because the died first. However, because we received the Holy Spirit first--which is the act of salvation--we are part of "the first resurrection"...so to speak. But don't let the timing confuse you (any longer), those time explanations were simply baby-talk in world-speak...because that is where we are and might only relate to, leaving the full parable language and reality time to sink in. That is the process--we're suppose to be coming around to thinking like our Father instead of the world.