Connecting the dots = a pre-tribulation rapture.

[Spiritual Israelite]

Oh yeah.
Postribs have claimed for 80 years that the flood represents the trib.

Wrong. You waste a tremendous amount of time making strawman arguments just because you don't even know what post-tribs believe. When Jesus said the elect will be gathered "immediately after the tribulation of those days" He did not compare "the tribulation of those days" to the flood. No post-trib I know would claim that. Instead, we compare the flood to what will happen on the day Jesus returns. Just as the flood killed all unbelievers, Jesus will destroy all unbelievers on the day He returns (Matt 24:35-39, 2 Thess 1:7-10, 2 Peter 3:10-12).

Then they claim "as Noah went through the flood, we go through the trib."

LOL! No post-tribs claim that. Tell me even one post-trib here who claims that.

So you own it 100% .
Your very own belief, when played out, is a ridiculous impossibility.

LOL. No, your imaginary strawman owns it. You should stop wasting your time arguing with a strawman and learn what post-tribs actually believe.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

You mentioned the last days....is that the same thing as the last day?

Read his post again. He explained how he understands the last day in comparison to the last days. He already answered that question. Do you just speed read through people's posts or what? Take your time and read what people actually say.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Oh wait....Noah is in the clouds for THE ENTIRE FLOOD, then RETURNS TO EARTH POSTFLOOD...AHEM, POSTRIB, back to earth having been in the heavens for the DURATION OF THE TRIB.

But don't let them facts get in your way.

You are making a complete fool of yourself with posts like this. You do nothing but waste your time making strawman arguments. No post-tribs compare the trib to Noah's flood. Jesus compared the flood to what will happen on the day He returns AFTER "the tribulation of those days" (see Matthew 24:29-39).

 

[jeffweeder]

You mentioned the last days....

Where? What post?

is that the same thing as the last day?

Why are you asking me this?
The answer is right there in my last post to you.

 

[ewq1938]

Who survived Noah's flood?

Same types of people who survived the fire of Sodom.

Gen 6
7 So the Lord said, “I will destroy (annihilate) mankind whom I have created from the surface of the earth—not only man, but the animals and the crawling things and the birds of the air—because it [deeply] grieves Me [to see mankind’s sin] and I regret that I have made them.” 8 But Noah found favor and grace in the eyes of the Lord.

1. Hebrews 11:7
   By faith [with confidence in God and His word] Noah, being warned by God about events not yet seen, in reverence prepared an ark for the salvation of his family. By this [act of obedience] he condemned the world and became an heir of the righteousness which comes by faith.

Cool, Ceasar taxed the world too, just not l;iterally.

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2. who once were disobedient, when the great patience of God was waiting in the days of Noah, during the building of the ark, in which a few, that is, eight persons [Noah’s family], were brought safely through the water.

Only 8 ppl survived the flood. The rest of the people never saw the flood. Even some giants are mentioned after the flood.



He flooded the earth/land in a local area just like he rained fire in a local area. The two stories are essentially the same which is why both are used by Christ to compare to his return. Does it make sense to use the example of Noah as a global flood and ignore that the story of Lot does not support that concept? Both were 100 percent killing of all humans in a localized area. The same thing is seen at Armageddon where 100 percent of an army is killed in a localized area, not a global slaughter.

 

[ewq1938]

You can also ask...Do posttribbers ever use the 10 virgins parable to support that the rapture happens posttrib. If yes, what do they typically argue that proves to them this parable proves a Posttrib rapture?

The buying/selling of oil in darkness of night is symbolic of the buying and selling of the trib. Christ comes after that, not before it. If Pretrib were true, Christ would have come before there was any need for more oil. The 5 foolish are those of the Apostasy, falling away, buying from those who sell at night which is spiritual darkness.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Same types of people who survived the fire of Sodom.






Cool, Ceasar taxed the world too, just not l;iterally.




Only 8 ppl survived the flood. The rest of the people never saw the flood. Even some giants are mentioned after the flood.



He flooded the earth/land in a local area just like he rained fire in a local area.

You are denying that the flood was a global flood? You can't be taken seriously.

The two stories are essentially the same which is why both are used by Christ to compare to his return. Does it make sense to use the example of Noah as a global flood and ignore that the story of Lot does not support that concept? Both were 100 percent killing of all humans in a localized area. The same thing is seen at Armageddon where 100 percent of an army is killed in a localized area, not a global slaughter.

You have no clue. The flood in Noah's day was global and killed all people in the world except Noah and his family. Jesus used that example to show the scope of what will happen when He returns, which is described clearly in 2 Peter 3:10-12 by Peter as well. Jesus used the example of Sodom to show the way in which He will destroy all unbelievers when He returns, which will be by fire, as 2 Peter 3:10-12 indicates. Jesus Himself said "heaven and earth will pass away" in direct relation to His second coming (Matthew 24:35-39), so that lines up perfectly with what Peter taught will happen when Jesus returns.

 

[Davidpt]

You can also ask...Do posttribbers ever use the 10 virgins parable to support that the rapture happens posttrib. If yes, what do they typically argue that proves to them this parable proves a Posttrib rapture?

That's a good idea.

Me:

Do posttribbers ever use the 10 virgins parable to support that the rapture happens posttrib. If yes, what do they typically argue that proves to them this parable proves a Posttrib rapture?
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Google's AI:


AI Mode Conversation: .Do posttribbers ever use the 10 virgins parable to support that the rapture happens posttrib. If yes, what do they typically argue that proves to them this parable proves a Posttrib rapture?


.Do posttribbers ever use the 10 virgins parable to support that the rapture happens posttrib. If yes, what do they typically argue that proves to them this parable proves a Posttrib rapture?

Yes, posttribulationists (posttribbers) frequently use the Parable of the Ten Virgins (Matthew 25:1–13) to support a post-tribulational rapture.
They rely on several core hermeneutical and linguistic arguments within the text to prove that the rapture and the Second Coming are a single event occurring at the end of the Tribulation:

1. The Contextual Timeline ("Then...")

The parable begins with the word "Then" (or "At that time"), connecting it directly to the timeline established in the preceding chapter, Matthew 24. In Matthew 24:29–31, Jesus explicitly states that His coming happens "immediately after the tribulation of those days." Posttribulationists argue that because Matthew 25 continues this exact discourse without a chronological break, the arrival of the Bridegroom in the parable must occur at the end of the Tribulation, not before it.

2. The Mechanics of "Meeting" the Bridegroom (Apantesis)

In Matthew 25:6, a cry goes out to "go out to meet him." The Greek word used here for "meet" is apantesis.
• In ancient Greco-Roman culture, an apantesis was a specific legal and social custom where a delegation of citizens traveled outside their city walls to greet an approaching dignitary or king, welcoming him and escorting him back into the city.
• This identical Greek word is used in 1 Thessalonians 4:17, where believers are caught up in the clouds "to meet (apantesis) the Lord in the air."
Posttribbers argue this linguistic match proves that the Rapture is not a rescue mission taking believers away to heaven for seven years. Instead, like the virgins escorting the Bridegroom to the feast, the Church rises to meet Jesus in the air as He descends to Earth at His Second Coming.

3. The Shut Door and Finality of Salvation

When the foolish virgins return, they find the door is shut, and the Bridegroom tells them, "I do not know you." (Matthew 25:10–12).
• Posttribulationists note that in a pre-tribulation framework, millions of people are supposedly saved after the rapture during the Tribulation period.
• However, the absolute finality of the closed door in the parable aligns much better with a post-tribulation view, where Christ’s return marks the final judgment. Once the Bridegroom arrives, grace ends, the door to the kingdom is closed, and no further opportunity for salvation remains.

Summary of the Posttrib View

To a posttribulationist, the parable outlines the Church's calling to endure a time of waiting and delay (the Tribulation), ensuring they possess the spiritual readiness and stamina (the oil) to survive the darkness until the midnight cry heralds Christ's physical return.
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[Davidpt]

You can also ask...Do posttribbers ever use the 10 virgins parable to support that the rapture happens posttrib. If yes, what do they typically argue that proves to them this parable proves a Posttrib rapture?

I also asked this same AI this.

Me:

How then do Postribbers square that with Rev 19? Pretribbers typically argue that The 10 virgins parable doesn't sound like it's involving Christ and His armies confronting the beast and His armies when He returns.
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This same AI:

Posttribulationists square the Parable of the Ten Virgins with the cosmic battle of Revelation 19 by viewing them as two different literary genres describing the exact same event from different perspectives.
They argue that Revelation 19 describes the macro-political and physical reality of Christ's return, while Matthew 25 describes the micro-spiritual and relational reality for individual believers.
Posttribulationists harmonize the two passages using several key theological frameworks:

1. Parables Illustrate Spiritual Truths, Not Military Tactics

Posttribulationists emphasize that Jesus used parables to teach spiritual readiness, not to give a complete, literal military briefing.
• The purpose of Matthew 25 is to answer the question: "How should individual believers wait for Me?" (with spiritual vigilance).
• The purpose of Revelation 19 is to answer the question: "How will God vindicate His people and defeat evil?" (with cosmic judgment).
Expecting the Parable of the Ten Virgins to include the Beast and the armies of the world would be a category mistake in biblical literature.

2. The Shared Motif of the Marriage Feast

The strongest link posttribulationists see between these two passages is the Marriage of the Lamb, which acts as the chronological anchor for both events.

Feature The Parable (Matthew 25) The Second Coming (Revelation 19)
The Event The Bridegroom arrives to take the ready virgins into the wedding feast ([Matthew 25:10]). The announcement is made: "For the marriage of the Lamb has come" ([Revelation 19:7]).
The Requirement The wise virgins have their lamps ready and burning ([Matthew 25:7]). The Bride is clothed in "fine linen, bright and pure... the righteous deeds of the saints" ([Revelation 19:8]).
The Separation The foolish are shut out; the wise enter the feast ([Matthew 25:10]). The enemies are destroyed; the blessed are invited to the marriage supper ([Revelation 19:9, 17-21]).

To a posttribber, it is chronologically impossible for the marriage feast to begin before Revelation 19, because Revelation 19 explicitly states the marriage feast happens at the time of the battle. Therefore, the Bridegroom’s arrival in Matthew 25 must match the timeline of Revelation 19.

3. The Sequence of the Apantesis (The Meeting)

As mentioned previously, the Greek concept of apantesis (meeting a king outside the city) perfectly bridges the gap between the peace of the parable and the war of Revelation. Posttribulationists sequence the single event like this:
1. The Midnight Cry / The Descent: Christ descends from heaven with His celestial armies ([Revelation 19:11-14]).
2. The Gathering (The Rapture): Believers who have kept their lamps full survive the Tribulation, hear the shout, and are caught up into the air to "meet" (apantesis) the descending King ([1 Thessalonians 4:17], [Matthew 25:6]).
3. The Confrontation: Now joined by His resurrected and raptured saints (who become part of His army), Christ immediately executes judgment on the Beast and his armies gathered below ([Revelation 19:19]).
4. The Feast: With the enemies cleared, the door is shut, and the millennial wedding feast begins on Earth.

4. Direct Precedent: Noah and Lot

Posttribulationists point out that Jesus Himself explicitly paired peaceful, mundane imagery with sudden, catastrophic destruction when describing the Second Coming.
In [Matthew 24:37–39], Jesus says His return will be just like the days of Noah: people were "eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage" right up until the day the flood came and swept them all away.
Just because the Ten Virgins are waiting in a quiet, domestic setting does not mean a global war isn't happening simultaneously. To the posttribber, it simply shows that even amidst the chaos of the Tribulation, the primary duty of the individual Christian remains quiet, faithful endurance.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

That's a good idea.

Me:

Do posttribbers ever use the 10 virgins parable to support that the rapture happens posttrib. If yes, what do they typically argue that proves to them this parable proves a Posttrib rapture?
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Google's AI:


AI Mode Conversation: .Do posttribbers ever use the 10 virgins parable to support that the rapture happens posttrib. If yes, what do they typically argue that proves to them this parable proves a Posttrib rapture?


.Do posttribbers ever use the 10 virgins parable to support that the rapture happens posttrib. If yes, what do they typically argue that proves to them this parable proves a Posttrib rapture?

Yes, posttribulationists (posttribbers) frequently use the Parable of the Ten Virgins (Matthew 25:1–13) to support a post-tribulational rapture.
They rely on several core hermeneutical and linguistic arguments within the text to prove that the rapture and the Second Coming are a single event occurring at the end of the Tribulation:

1. The Contextual Timeline ("Then...")

The parable begins with the word "Then" (or "At that time"), connecting it directly to the timeline established in the preceding chapter, Matthew 24. In Matthew 24:29–31, Jesus explicitly states that His coming happens "immediately after the tribulation of those days." Posttribulationists argue that because Matthew 25 continues this exact discourse without a chronological break, the arrival of the Bridegroom in the parable must occur at the end of the Tribulation, not before it.

Right. There's no reason at all for anyone to think that the coming of the Son of Man in Matthew 25:1-13 is different than the coming of the Son of Man in Matthew 24:29-31. Therefore, Matthew 25:1-13 refers to the second coming of Christ "after the tribulation of those days" and Matthew 24:31 makes it clear that the rapture (gathering of the church/elect to Christ) occurs at that time.

3. The Shut Door and Finality of Salvation

When the foolish virgins return, they find the door is shut, and the Bridegroom tells them, "I do not know you." (Matthew 25:10–12).
• Posttribulationists note that in a pre-tribulation framework, millions of people are supposedly saved after the rapture during the Tribulation period.
• However, the absolute finality of the closed door in the parable aligns much better with a post-tribulation view, where Christ’s return marks the final judgment. Once the Bridegroom arrives, grace ends, the door to the kingdom is closed, and no further opportunity for salvation remains.

Right. The time when Jesus will say "I do not know you" to those saying "Lord, Lord..." is the time when people will be cast away from Jesus and there will be weeping and the gnashing of teeth (Luke 13:25-28) which correlates with the end of the age when Jesus returns (Matthew 13:40-43, Matthew 13:47-50) and not to a time before a years long time period of tribulation before the end of the age when He returns.