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[Yehren]

How the Coronavirus Became an American Catastrophe

The death and economic damage sweeping the United States could have been avoided—if only we had started testing for the virus sooner.
...
Without testing, there was only one way to know the severity of the outbreak: counting the dead. On February 29, Washington State confirmed that a man who had been at the Life Care Center outside Seattle had died, the first American death officially attributed to the virus. According to a now-archived version of the CDC’s website, the United States had, by then, tested 472 total people.

The death came at the end of a month that was America’s last chance at containing COVID-19. But it was too late. February had been lost.
How the Coronavirus Became an American Catastrophe

 

[Bobby Jo]

To All,

I think most people see through the anti-trump propaganda in this China induced global epidemic, which includes inflated percentages of deaths, etc.

It's the same people that post the same lies, some from the same FAKE NEWS sources. And although these individuals insist that we believe them, and attack anyone who says otherwise, -- it's the difference between darkness and light.

And being in the end-times, -- specifically in the tribulation --, this is not any different than in Noah's day, when GOD nearly destroyed mankind for their wickedness.


As a note: Back in the early days of Disneyland, the park issued ticket books which were basically designed to "distribute" visitors across the basic entertainment, the "A" tickets, thru the thrilling entertainment, the "E" tickets. And now we're in the "E" ticket era where the "riders" had better strap themselves in and hang on tight for this "E" ticket ride.

Bobby Jo

 

[mailmandan]

How the Coronavirus Became an American Catastrophe

The death and economic damage sweeping the United States could have been avoided—if only we had started testing for the virus sooner.
...
Without testing, there was only one way to know the severity of the outbreak: counting the dead. On February 29, Washington State confirmed that a man who had been at the Life Care Center outside Seattle had died, the first American death officially attributed to the virus. According to a now-archived version of the CDC’s website, the United States had, by then, tested 472 total people.

The death came at the end of a month that was America’s last chance at containing COVID-19. But it was too late. February had been lost.
How the Coronavirus Became an American Catastrophe

This makes me so furious!!! (the extreme devastation from the coronavirus in general that may have been prevented) So where does America go from here? How high will the death toll rise before the spread of this virus finally starts to get under control? Will COVID-19 still be thriving during the summer months? In the end, what kind of economic devastation will America be facing? How did this terrible virus come about in the first place?

 

[APAK]

To quote a sane person on a blog site..this COVID has been totally overblown...Now reality is catching up..."
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From the CDC.....

The overall burden of influenza for the US 2017-2018 season was an estimated 45 million influenza illnesses, 21 million influenza-associated medical visits, 810,000 influenza-related hospitalizations, and 61,000 influenza-associated deaths --- Source - CDC

CDC estimates that the burden of illness during the 2018–2019 season included an estimated 35.5 million people getting sick with influenza, 16.5 million people going to a health care provider for their illness, 490,600 hospitalizations, and 34,200 deaths from influenza (Table 1). The number of influenza-associated illnesses that occurred last season was similar to the estimated number of influenza-associated illnesses during the 2012–2013 influenza season when an estimated 34 million people had symptomatic influenza illness. Peak activity during the 2018–2019 influenza season was classified as having moderate severity across ages in the population. Compared with the 2017–2018 season , which was classified as high severity, the overall rates and burden of influenza were much lower during the 2018–2019 season (Table 2). Among children, however, rates of influenza during the 2018–2019 season were similar to the 2017–2018 season. In addition, the 2018–2019 season had two waves of activity, including a wave predominated by influenza A(H1N1)pdm09 viruses and another wave of similar magnitude attributable to influenza A(H3N2) viruses. The dual waves resulted in a protracted season during 2018–2019 that was less severe when compared with peak activity in 2017–2018, but resulted in a similar burden of illness in children by the end of the season.

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So, when reality does eventually sink in for unfortunately ONLY a few, as history always records...most will never awake as many are still in a sleep-walk state over 9-11 today and still think 19 foreigners did it all..with regular passengers planes, that were still available the next day for service.

So again, when reality finally sinks in, it will be recorded there was a deliberate attempt to destroy the economies and well-being of many countries using this psyops weapon as the trigger, that incited mass panic to induce cultural and permanent international political change...a globalist agenda for sure.

This COVID-19 virus will show a fatality rate of less than 0.2 percent of the world's population. Not much more that the annual influenza season.

The mad panic, cry and alarm as the central early mandate for testing, more testing, and testing again is bold faced-lie and a deception as many folks had this virus even by September 2019 or even earlier and thought it was just the seasonal flu.

The Pres. just needs to get all folks back to work now!! Forget the 6ft distancing rule as a national imperative (that causes more panic and stress). Did, and do not folks do this anyway, every year when the flu season was upon them?!!! I have and still do...

The '2.2T hand-out package' was a very bad move for the economy in the long run and the increasing national debt. The Central Banksters and the IMF are licking their chops over the money they have made with this deal they knew was inevitable, with the ignorant US people, and have driven them further and deeper into at least economic slavery.

The permanent silver lining....Our Creator has the plans and schemes and moves of evil men in checkmate before they even conceived them...

Bless all

APAK

 

[Yehren]

This makes me so furious!!! (the extreme devastation from the coronavirus in general that may have been prevented) So where does America go from here? How high will the death toll rise before the spread of this virus finally starts to get under control? Will COVID-19 still be thriving during the summer months? In the end, what kind of economic devastation will America be facing? How did this terrible virus come about in the first place?

No one intended to do this to us. The administration is used to responding to problems by trying to talk them down and make people feel good. That was exactly the wrong thing to do this time. We needed a leader who could hear and understand people who have expertise in epidemiology, and then step up and take charge with action. And we don't have one of those. And the experts around him have to tread cautiously, and be careful what they say, to avoid his anger.

There was a window to cut it short, just as there was in 2009. But this time, we didn't act. And so here we are.

 

[Yehren]

By Bill Gates
| January 18, 2010
The H1N1 flu strain got a lot of attention in 2009. Most of the headlines made it sound dangerous. Early in the epidemic we thought that a very high percentage of infected people were getting sick, and it was quite scary.

But the real story isn’t how bad H1N1 was. The real story is that we are lucky it wasn’t worse because we were almost completely unprepared for it.

When an epidemic breaks out, there are four steps to try to contain it. The first is to gather data about the disease—where it is and how it is spreading. Second is to limit the movement of people from place to place—with quarantine a last option. Once a disease is widespread this is very hard to do. Third is to have drugs of some type that reduce how much someone infects others and that reduces the severity of the sickness. Fourth is to make a vaccine that is effective against the disease and give it to anyone who is at risk.

We did a reasonable job of gathering data, partly due to the capacity that had been set up to track avian flu. But for all the other steps, we didn’t manage to do anything that would have stopped a serious epidemic. In other words, the modest death toll from this flu epidemic is entirely because we were lucky.

Hopefully this outbreak will serve as a wakeup call to get us to invest in better capabilities, because more epidemics will come in the decades ahead and there is no guarantee we will be lucky next time. The 1918 flu killed more than 50 million people. Nothing other than bioterrorism could kill that many people again, and most of the things we need to do to reduce the impact of an epidemic will also reduce the impact of bioterrorism.
A better response to the next pandemic | Bill Gates

WASHINGTON—In May 2018, President Donald Trump’s biodefense preparedness adviser warned that a flu pandemic was the country’s No. 1 health security threat, and the U.S. was not prepared.

“We know that it cannot be stopped at the border,” Luciana Borio, director of medical and biodefense preparedness at the National Security Council, said at a symposium that day.

Borio left the Trump administration in 2019. Other high-level global health experts headed for the exits even earlier, after the White House dismantled the National Security Council’s global health security office.

The demise of that elite team is now under scrutiny as the Trump administration struggles to respond to the coronavirus pandemic.

Trump bristled when asked about his decision to disband the office at a news conference in the Rose Garden on Friday.

“I just think it's a nasty question,” the president responded. “And when you say ‘me,' I didn't do it. ... I don't know anything about it.”
Coronavirus: Did Trump's decision to nix pandemic team hinder response

The sad thing is, he's likely telling the truth when he says he didn't know it had been done. There's no one at the helm, much of the time.

 

[Heart2Soul]

By Bill Gates
| January 18, 2010
The H1N1 flu strain got a lot of attention in 2009. Most of the headlines made it sound dangerous. Early in the epidemic we thought that a very high percentage of infected people were getting sick, and it was quite scary.

But the real story isn’t how bad H1N1 was. The real story is that we are lucky it wasn’t worse because we were almost completely unprepared for it.

When an epidemic breaks out, there are four steps to try to contain it. The first is to gather data about the disease—where it is and how it is spreading. Second is to limit the movement of people from place to place—with quarantine a last option. Once a disease is widespread this is very hard to do. Third is to have drugs of some type that reduce how much someone infects others and that reduces the severity of the sickness. Fourth is to make a vaccine that is effective against the disease and give it to anyone who is at risk.

We did a reasonable job of gathering data, partly due to the capacity that had been set up to track avian flu. But for all the other steps, we didn’t manage to do anything that would have stopped a serious epidemic. In other words, the modest death toll from this flu epidemic is entirely because we were lucky.

Hopefully this outbreak will serve as a wakeup call to get us to invest in better capabilities, because more epidemics will come in the decades ahead and there is no guarantee we will be lucky next time. The 1918 flu killed more than 50 million people. Nothing other than bioterrorism could kill that many people again, and most of the things we need to do to reduce the impact of an epidemic will also reduce the impact of bioterrorism.
A better response to the next pandemic | Bill Gates

WASHINGTON—In May 2018, President Donald Trump’s biodefense preparedness adviser warned that a flu pandemic was the country’s No. 1 health security threat, and the U.S. was not prepared.

“We know that it cannot be stopped at the border,” Luciana Borio, director of medical and biodefense preparedness at the National Security Council, said at a symposium that day.

Borio left the Trump administration in 2019. Other high-level global health experts headed for the exits even earlier, after the White House dismantled the National Security Council’s global health security office.

The demise of that elite team is now under scrutiny as the Trump administration struggles to respond to the coronavirus pandemic.

Trump bristled when asked about his decision to disband the office at a news conference in the Rose Garden on Friday.

“I just think it's a nasty question,” the president responded. “And when you say ‘me,' I didn't do it. ... I don't know anything about it.”
Coronavirus: Did Trump's decision to nix pandemic team hinder response

The sad thing is, he's likely telling the truth when he says he didn't know it had been done. There's no one at the helm, much of the time.

Here is a real count of 199 countries of people who contracted COVID-19 and how many deaths have occurred to date....I went ahead and listed the top 8 countries.......click on the link to see all 199 countries.

Countries where Coronavirus has spread - Worldometer
Country Cases Deaths Region
United States 105,019 1,717 North America
Italy 86,498 9,134 Europe
China 81,394 3,295 Asia
Spain 72,248 5,690 Europe
Germany 53,340 399 Europe
Iran 35,408 2,517 Asia
France 32,964 1,995 Europe
United Kingdom 17,089 1,019 Europe

Credibility of Worldmeter was assessed by Media Bias Fact Check....
Worldometer - Media Bias/Fact Check

LEAST BIASED

These sources have minimal bias and use very few loaded words (wording that attempts to influence an audience by using appeal to emotion or stereotypes). The reporting is factual and usually sourced. These are the most credible media sources. See all Least Biased Sources.

• Overall, we rate Worldometer Least Biased based on strictly providing data and statistics. We also rate them High for factual reporting due to the use of official sources and clearly disclaiming that the information provided is estimates.

Detailed Report
Factual Reporting: HIGH
Country: China
World Press Freedom Rank: China 177/180

History

Founded in 2004, Worldometer is a website that calculates estimated population, Coronavirus and a wide variety of statistics in real time. According to their about page “Worldometer is run by an international team of developers, researchers, and volunteers with the goal of making world statistics available in a thought-provoking and time relevant format to a wide audience around the world.” They further state “The live counters show the real-time estimate as computed by our proprietary algorithm, which processes the latest data and projections provided by the most reputable organizations and statistical offices in the world.”

During the Coronavirus outbreak the website was temporarily hacked and displayed incorrect data. This was promptly fixed and is currently displaying accurate information.

Read our report on how Chinese government influences media.

Funded by / Ownership

Worldometer is owned by Dadax, a software solutions company based in Pudong, Shanghai. Revenue is derived through advertising.

Analysis / Bias

In review, Worldometer provides data on a wide variety of topics such as population, public health expenditures, amount of forest lost this year, amount of oil used and tracking statistics related to the Coronavirus. Data, estimates, and projections displayed on Worldometer’s counters are for the most part provided by credible organizations such as the United Nations, Statistics Division, United Nations Population Fund (UNFPa ), UNESCO Institute for Statistics and the World Health Organization (WHO). For a full list see here. In general, the information provided on the website are estimates and they carefully provide a disclaimer that states: “As with any statistic, the numbers are not expected to be exact to the single digit, but to provide a fairly accurate and informative description of a phenomenon. This inherited limitation must be taken into account for the correct interpretation of the information.”

Worldometer simply collects data, provides estimates and does not editorialize content, therefore we rate them least biased.

Failed Fact Checks

• None

Overall, we rate Worldometer Least Biased based on strictly providing data and statistics. We also rate them High for factual reporting due to the use of official sources and clearly disclaiming that the information provided is estimates. (D. Van Zandt 3/19/2020)

 

[Bobby Jo]

This makes me so furious!!! (the extreme devastation from the coronavirus in general that may have been prevented) ...

GOD could have "prevented" all the sin: which preceded Noah's flood; which resulted in the Holocaust; and which results in the Tribulation. -- Did you think HE was asleep?

Bobby Jo

 

[Bobby Jo]

Here is a real count of 199 countries of people who contracted COVID-19 and how many deaths have occurred to date...

The old saying is: Statistics don't lie, but liars statist.

I wish people who have no background in statistics wouldn't cite statistics they don't understand. For example:

• We "know" how many people have tested positive for COFID-19, but how many have symptoms and are POSITIVE but haven't been tested and aren't part of the statistics?

• How many have NO SYMPTOMS and are POSITIVE but haven't been tested and aren't part of the statistics?

• How many countries (i.e., CHINA) have under-reported their statistics?

In fact, the only TRUSTWORTHY aspect of the cited statistics is that THEY ARE ESTIMATES, -- based upon reported BUT NOT ACCURATE (as noted above) information.

And finally, it's it a "coincidence" that these assertions come from:

Worldometer, owned by Dadax, a software solutions company based in Pudong, Shanghai.​

This alone should raise alarms,​

Bobby Jo

 

[Yehren]

I don't think "it's Chinese, so they're lying" is a rational response. It squares up nicely with CDC data, BTW.

 

[Heart2Soul]

The old saying is: Statistics don't lie, but liars statist.

I wish people who have no background in statistics wouldn't cite statistics they don't understand. For example:

We "know" how many people have tested positive for COFID-19, but how many have symptoms and are POSITIVE but haven't been tested and aren't part of the statistics?

How many have NO SYMPTOMS and are POSITIVE but haven't been tested and aren't part of the statistics?

How many countries (i.e., CHINA) have under reported their statistics?​

In fact, the only TRUSTWORTHY aspect of the cited statistics is that THEY ARE ESTIMATES, -- based upon reported BUT NOT ACCURATE (as noted above) information.

And finally, it's it a "coincidence" that these assertions come from:

Worldometer, owned by Dadax, a software solutions company based in Pudong, Shanghai.​

This alone should raise alarms,​

Bobby Jo

I supplied the link for credibility of this company. I do my homework before I post things. And what is wrong with a company from Pudong, Shanghai? You are starting to show your own bias against data that doesn't favor your own mindsets vs. data that favors it.
Are you prejudice? Racist? Xenophobic? Lol...Bobby Jo...(that was a joke)
I don't share the point of view....(which is exactly what this thread mostly contains) that many have.
His Word says we don't wrestle against flesh and blood....we wrestle against the evil works of Satan. So there is no one person, country or government responsible for the plagues that come upon the earth. We must see things with our spiritual mind not our carnal.
We are and have always been in a spiritual war against the works of the enemy who is here to kill, steal, and destroy God's people.
According to His Word, the battle belongs to the Lord and He has already won the victory over Satan and his demons.
Jesus has conquered every evil work and rendered Satan powerless over anyone who will put their faith and trust in Him and use their authority in His Name to tell the devil to flee.
Psalm 91 gives us comfort in knowing that He protects us and puts His Angels charge over us to protect us.

 

[Yehren]

I supplied the link for credibility of this company. I do my homework before I post things. And what is wrong with a company from Pudong, Shanghai?

Best excuse they could come up with, I guess.

 

[prism]

One good turn deserves another.
Are you 'Joe King'?

 

[Bobby Jo]

I supplied the link for credibility of this company. I do my homework before I post things. And what is wrong with a company from Pudong, Shanghai?

EXACTLY CORRECT. China's a communist nation that controls it's industry (including Worldometer, owned by Dadax), and China has proven itself to be a dishonest broker of information. China covers up it's true statistics, and has even gone so far as to blame the U.S. Military for this virus.

You are starting to show your own bias against data that doesn't favor your own mindsets vs. data that favors it. ...

Incorrect! I just don't trust anything from a proven liar. -- Certainly there are other sources of statistics whose methods may also be insufficient (including UNAVAILABLE) to fully asses the status of this Virus; and the cited "disclaimer" applies to them also: "the information provided is estimates".

But the real issue is, -- Could this be a Tribulation "plague", for which I suggest to the affirmative.

Bobby Jo

 

[Bobby Jo]

One good turn deserves another.
Are you 'Joe King'?

As my granddaughter used to pronounce: What a mace (mess).

And as @Heart2Soul and I have been discussing, -- my greatest FEAR and EXPECTATION is that, by whatever convolution of events, Trump will lose the next election (2020) and a Democrat will give our sovereignty and our monetary system to the U.N.; and we have have anarchy in the streets, with a subsequent Global Thermonuclear War.

It's a scary future. I can only hope I'm adequately prepared.
Bobby Jo

 

[Heart2Soul]

EXACTLY CORRECT. China's a communist nation that controls it's industry (including Worldometer, owned by Dadax), and China has proven itself to be a dishonest broker of information. China covers up it's true statistics, and has even gone so far as to blame the U.S. Military for this virus.



Incorrect! I just don't trust anything from a proven liar. -- Certainly there are other sources of statistics whose methods may be insufficient (including UNAVAILABLE) to fully asses the status of this Virus; and the cited "disclaimer" applies to them also: "the information provided is estimates".

But the real issue is, -- Could this be a Tribulation "plague", to which I suggest to the affirmative.

Bobby Jo

NO! ABSOLUTELY NOT!
Before any end-time tribulation occurs God must first RESTORE His Church, the great apostasy and the great Awakening will take place, a mighty outpour of the Holy Spirit, Revival, the son of perdition will be revealed, Jerusalem will rebuild His Holy Temple....and other things spoken in His Word.
People please keep things in proper order and seek the Holy Spirit....I did and it is not a sign of the tribulation.
In fact, Passover is coming up soon, if anything this plague is a reminder of the plague God put on Egypt, all Israelites were instructed to shut themselves up inside their house and to paint the blood of a sacrificial lamb over the door posts and when the angel of death came it passed over any house that had the blood on its doorways.
Well, we are shut up in our homes, we have the blood of the Lamb (Jesus) on our entrances, and this plague shall passover us...
Yes, PASSOVER!

 

[Bobby Jo]

NO! ABSOLUTELY NOT!
Before any end-time tribulation occurs God must first ...

Your expectations are not necessarily GOD's timeline. However, Scripture appears to provide GOD's timeline, -- which I anticipate is appropriately applied.

So are you even aware of the Scriptural aspect, and have you evaluated it's veracity? If so, what is your basis for rejecting that evidence?

Bobby Jo

 

[Heart2Soul]

Your expectations are not necessarily GOD's timeline. However, Scripture appears to provide GOD's timeline, -- which I anticipate is appropriately applied.

So are you even aware of the Scriptural aspect, and have you evaluated it's veracity? If so, what is your basis for rejecting that evidence?

Bobby Jo

Bobby Jo, I have and you are no authority on the timing of God's plan either. I know what I have read in the Bible, what the Holy Spirit has spoken to me, and the visions He has given me has been confirmed over and over, especially these last 3 years....but more frequently in this past year.
The Holy Spirit is the one who leads me into His truth...not man.
He is the author and finisher of my faith....
But most importantly, He told us to fear not those things that must come to pass.
And when the tribulation does happen and if I am still here, then I will gladly suffer for His sake and rejoice in knowing He is coming!
I am not afraid of the world....if I die a for my beliefs then I get very special treatment in heaven....haha.
Can you see where I am coming from? I am not a doomsday Christian. I am delighted to know His Will is done according to His Word.
Amen?

 

[Bobby Jo]

... have you evaluated it's veracity? ...

... I have and you are no authority on the timing of God's plan ...

Are you discounting Scripture? You say you know the Prophetic Scriptures but fail/refuse to explain why the Prophetic Scriptures are either incorrect, or being misinterpreted. So I can only surmise that you ACTUALLY don't know what you're talking about.


So you can either find out that the Scriptures say on the subject, or maybe not present views which contradict Prophetic Scriptures.
Bobby Jo

 

[Yehren]

Saturday at the mall...