Jesus’ command to his followers to love our enemies does not restrain government from protecting their own people.
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Jesus’ command to his followers to love our enemies does not restrain government from protecting their own people.
It isn’t the role of state government to evangelize Muslims.
Paul didn’t know anything at all about Islam or Muslims, but he knew about the role of national government and the role of the followers of Jesus. He neither confused the roles nor mixed them.
“Different individuals will give you a different set of reasons why Christians are not productive in Muslim evangelism. Or why Christians can’t evangelize Muslims. I have my own list …
Here are my 3 Reasons why Christians Can’t Evangelize Muslims:
1. Islam forbids the conversion of Muslims to any other religion. In Islamic territories it is forced by law and social efforts. However, in the West most of the Christians are dealing with secularism, atheism and many other typed of cults that they hardly give any attention to Islamic faith.
2. Christians’ scholarly efforts to address Islamic allegations against Christianity through apologetic means are so little that it will take a whole generation of well trained Christian apologists to meet the growing need of intellectual, theological and philosophical response to cultural, religious, and political Islam.
3. Fear of losing life; fear of lack of knowledge about Islam and Muslims and fear of lack of communication skills how to communicate Christian faith to Muslims restricts most of the Christians to initiate witness to Muslims.
Conclusion: Even though all three reasons are true one thing that is equally true is that more Muslims are converting to Christianity in our time than at any given time in the past. How is that possible? Here are three reasons for that:
1. Love that is shown by Christians.
2. Love that is portrayed in the scriptures (why Christ came into the world).
3. Fearless witness of believers because they were convinced ‘Greater love has no one than this, that someone lay down his life for his friends’ (John @5:13, ESV)”
(Dr. Alfonse Javed, “Three Reasons Why Christians Can’t Evangelize Muslims”)
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Armies sent against Muslims aren’t sent to evangelize them. Armies sent against Muslims are sent to destroy them.
Jesus doesn’t send his followers to Muslims to destroy them. Jesus sends his followers to Muslims to save them.
Paul didn’t know anything at all about Islam or Muslims, but he knew about the role of national government and the role of the followers of Jesus. He neither confused the roles nor mixed them.
“Different individuals will give you a different set of reasons why Christians are not productive in Muslim evangelism. Or why Christians can’t evangelize Muslims. I have my own list …
Here are my 3 Reasons why Christians Can’t Evangelize Muslims:
1. Islam forbids the conversion of Muslims to any other religion. In Islamic territories it is forced by law and social efforts. However, in the West most of the Christians are dealing with secularism, atheism and many other typed of cults that they hardly give any attention to Islamic faith.
2. Christians’ scholarly efforts to address Islamic allegations against Christianity through apologetic means are so little that it will take a whole generation of well trained Christian apologists to meet the growing need of intellectual, theological and philosophical response to cultural, religious, and political Islam.
3. Fear of losing life; fear of lack of knowledge about Islam and Muslims and fear of lack of communication skills how to communicate Christian faith to Muslims restricts most of the Christians to initiate witness to Muslims.
Conclusion: Even though all three reasons are true one thing that is equally true is that more Muslims are converting to Christianity in our time than at any given time in the past. How is that possible? Here are three reasons for that:
1. Love that is shown by Christians.
2. Love that is portrayed in the scriptures (why Christ came into the world).
3. Fearless witness of believers because they were convinced ‘Greater love has no one than this, that someone lay down his life for his friends’ (John @5:13, ESV)”
(Dr. Alfonse Javed, “Three Reasons Why Christians Can’t Evangelize Muslims”)
Three Reasons Why Christians Can't Evangelize Muslims - Dr. Alfonse Javed
Different individuals will give you a different set of reasons why Christians are not productive in Muslim evangelism. Or why Christians can’t evangelize Muslims. I have my own list that […]
www.alfonsejaved.com
Armies sent against Muslims aren’t sent to evangelize them. Armies sent against Muslims are sent to destroy them.
Jesus doesn’t send his followers to Muslims to destroy them. Jesus sends his followers to Muslims to save them.
Ziggy
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2Pe 2:12
But these, as natural brute beasts, made to be taken and destroyed, speak evil of the things that they understand not; and shall utterly perish in their own corruption;
Jde 1:5
I will therefore put you in remembrance, though ye once knew this, how that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed them that believed not.
You can try to save them.
I don't think they want to be saved.
And I'm not talking about all muslims. Im talking about those insane radical Islamists that are coming for your children.
But these, as natural brute beasts, made to be taken and destroyed, speak evil of the things that they understand not; and shall utterly perish in their own corruption;
Jde 1:5
I will therefore put you in remembrance, though ye once knew this, how that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed them that believed not.
You can try to save them.
I don't think they want to be saved.
And I'm not talking about all muslims. Im talking about those insane radical Islamists that are coming for your children.
God wants all men to be saved. That includes Muslims. That doesn’t mean that all men - Muslim or non-Muslim - will be saved, but it does mean that the gospel of peace has to be offered to them.
That’s not the role, the mission, of state government. That’s the role, the mission, of the followers of Jesus.
Have any “insane radical Islamists” ever been saved? If so, how did it happen?
@Debp posted this video as the OP in one of her threads (“Reasons for The Crusades explained”). I keep coming back to it.
The speaker has a ministry outside of what he does in the video. He evangelizes imprisoned “insane radical Islamists.”
Is it pointless?
www.godreports.com
@Debp posted this video as the OP in one of her threads (“Reasons for The Crusades explained”). I keep coming back to it.
The speaker has a ministry outside of what he does in the video. He evangelizes imprisoned “insane radical Islamists.”
Is it pointless?
Bob the Builder became Christian because of a Muslim | God Reports
Today, Bob of Speaker’s Corner is one of the most formidable Christian debaters. He owes that to a Muslim.
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Ziggy
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Ziggy
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I don’t know if he was or he wasn’t. What I know is that he isn’t.
What does God think of that?
Ezekiel 33:11.
What do you think of that?
What might have happened if Bob the Builder (post #165) had evangelized him?
Did that solve the problem? No. A replacement was found. What happened to the replacement? Did that solve the problem? No. A replacement was found. What happened to …
It’s an endless cycle of violence.
The heart of a Muslim isn’t changed by killing Islamic military leaders. That hardened Islamic hearts. Islam isn’t going away, no matter how many Muslims are killed.
Islam will only go away when the heart of a Muslim is changed, and only the gospel of God is able to accomplish that.
What did the killing of the Islamic military leader(s) accomplish? For one thing, it allows the mission of the followers of Jesus to Muslims to continue.
How many Muslims will hear the gospel preached by Jesus and the apostles and be saved? I don’t know but they don’t hear it from those using the weapons of the world.
Ziggy
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My first thought upon reading this were the words of Arnaud Almaric, who said during the Albigensian Crusade -
“Kill them all, for God knows which are his own.”
A Catholic commander, a papal legate and inquisitor, ordering Catholic crusaders to kill all Catholics and non-Catholics residing in the city he was intent on destroying -> men, women and children. That’s not even Just War. That’s Total War.
That’s an evil mind at work.
P.S.
I couldn't remember the name of the city (Beziers) or the year (1209 AD) off the top of my head so I searched for the information.
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Ziggy
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I suppose it's good you cant read my mind.
Mat 13:27
So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares?
Mat 13:30
Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.
Mat 13:38
The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;
Mat 13:40
As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.
Like I SAID
God will sort it out.
Ziggy
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I apologize,
I been having some trouble with focus lately.
Thankyou for your patience.
Hugs
You think Saul, who became the Apostle Paul, was convertible?
We cannot look at someone who is killing Christians and assume they are so evil, it is impossible for them to be converted to follow Jesus with a new birth and a new heart.
Only God knows if someone is convertible. In the meantime, we share our faith and pray for all to be drawn by the Father to the cross of Christ.
Ziggy
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Well you know Saul was a Zealot for God. He truly believed he was doing God's service.
His was to DESTROY the newly formed church, the Christians.
It's not like Saul was a Zealot for ALLAH,
Just saying.
It was because of the Grace of God that the Lord showed Saul the error of his ways.
Not because he didnt believe in God, but because He DID.
Hugs
And Jesus confronted some Pharisees who thought they were zealots for God and doing God’s service.
Jesus called them children of the devil who was a murderer from the beginning.
Muslim zealots also believe they are serving God. Allah is not an Islamic word, it is Arabic for God.
Some Muslims are coming to Christ as He appears to them in dreams and visions.
The closest thing to Muslims in the time of Jesus were Samaritans, a cult that imitated the true faith in Jerusalem. But Jesus shocked everyone by praising the Good Samaritan and by witnessing to the Samaritan woman at the well.
We cannot judge people by our fleshly perception of how good or bad they seem to be.
And Jesus forbids killing our enemies.
I love your appeal to the parable of the sower. I’ve used it often myself; in threads pertaining to the Crusades …
Post in thread 'Reason for The Crusades explained'
Reason for The Crusades explained
… as well as in threads unrelated to the Crusades.
I agree. God will certainly sort it out. It’s unthinkable to me that he wouldn’t.
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Ziggy
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I wish they all would come to Christ Anchorite, I do.
But some will not.
Mat 7:14
Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
Pray for them Anchorite,
Pray for them.
And if it is God's will, they will turn to Him.
And yet many will resist.
Hugs
This man is a pacifist, and his position on Christians killing their enemies is identical to mine.
You won’t recognize him but you’ve already told us what you think about him -> he’s a supporter of lawlessness; he’s a Muslim sympathizer; he would rather see evil reign and Christianity die; he is pathetic.
The educated Christian world knows him as “the Prince of Preachers.”
Supporter of lawlessness? No.
Muslim sympathizer? No.
Would rather see evil reign and Christianity die? No.
Pathetic?That’s your judgement.
He’s arguably the most famous Protestant preacher of the 19th century. In my opinion - which will be the kiss of death to you - he is the best preacher that Protestantism has ever produced. Highly regarded and revered by Christians for almost 200 years.
The man is Charles Haddon Spurgeon. Born June 19, 1834. Died January 31, 1892. Baptist. Active in ministry for 41 years.
@Wrangler tells us that C.H. Spurgeon is one of his favorite Christian authors.
Imagine that. A man whom you say supports lawlessness, is a Muslim sympathizer, would rather see evil reign and Christianity die, and is pathetic. One of Wrangler’s favorite Christian authors? I don’t think so.
You let slide “Jesus obviously lied,” something Spurgeon didn’t believe and never would have let slide.
Spurgeon, one of the most famous persons in the history of Christianity, a great and mighty voice pointing people to faith in Jesus, is “pathetic” but someone who is teaching others to believe “Jesus obviously lied” isn’t?
Pathetic.
That’s a word that only an ignorant person would use to describe the Prince of Preachers.
I feel sorry for you but you place me in very good company; and I sincerely thank you for that.
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