Daniel 11 What verse does the end time kick in?

[Spiritual Israelite]

Oh...you mean like "the Lamb of God" --Refers to a sheep?

You have your "nonsense" indicator upside down.

LOL. You speak almost nothing but nonsense and everyone here knows it.

Daniel 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy. 25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times. 26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. 27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

So, verse 24 indicates that 70 weeks were determined to accomplish the six things listed there. And then verses 25 and 26 talk about there being seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks (7 + 62), for a total of 69 weeks from the time of the commandment to restore and build Jerusalem unto the appearing of the Messiah the Prince (Jesus, obviously). Then it says after the 62 weeks (which follow the first 7 weeks, so it's saying after the 69th week) the Messiah would be cut off (crucified).

So, we have 69 of the 70 weeks being referenced up to verse 26. You say the 70th week is not mentioned in verse 27. So, where is it mentioned then? The other 69 weeks all are mentioned. Why would verse 27 not refer to the remaining 70th week? It clearly does, but I'm wondering what your basis is for thinking otherwise. It's not mentioned anywhere else, so it makes perfect sense that the one week is the remaining 70th week after the previously mentioned 69 weeks were fulfilled.

 

[dad]

That's funny indeed! Afterall, in our conversation it has been YOU that have always began CRAZY DISTORTIONS in order to scoot the Truths that I have declared.

Your idea of straight rather than distorted is not shared. You ain't deep you just ain't clear.

Back on topic, in looking at eze 36 - 39 it seems to me that is all in the very end. Not relating to Israel existing as some entity that he restored etc. So I see no way of placing the battle that includes a great earthquake and etc at the beginning of the seven years.

 

[ScottA]

LOL. You speak almost nothing but nonsense and everyone here knows it.

Daniel 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy. 25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times. 26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. 27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

So, verse 24 indicates that 70 weeks were determined to accomplish the six things listed there. And then verses 25 and 26 talk about there being seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks (7 + 62), for a total of 69 weeks from the time of the commandment to restore and build Jerusalem unto the appearing of the Messiah the Prince (Jesus, obviously). Then it says after the 62 weeks (which follow the first 7 weeks, so it's saying after the 69th week) the Messiah would be cut off (crucified).

So, we have 69 of the 70 weeks being referenced up to verse 26. You say the 70th week is not mentioned in verse 27. So, where is it mentioned then? The other 69 weeks all are mentioned. Why would verse 27 not refer to the remaining 70th week? It clearly does, but I'm wondering what your basis is for thinking otherwise. It's not mentioned anywhere else, so it makes perfect sense that the one week is the remaining 70th week after the previously mentioned 69 weeks were fulfilled.

Your math is world-based, the understanding of men.

I explained this before: three-score and two weeks...is a riddle. This is the creation story of seven days/times "confused." But even that is in world-based number logic, hence the hook. I said I wasn't going to get into it--because it is a fool's errand. Suffice to say, spiritually it means 6 divided; and the seventy weeks...spiritually refers to the days of creation--one of which is God's--not of this world--but God's day of rest, the seventh day.

The "one week", commonly but wrongly assumed to be a "seventieth" week, is a confirmation summary--riddled--in [smaller] terms. Only to be spiritually discerned.

In other words, Daniel's prophecy is not given to explain what is true--that version was already given in the beginning--it was to confuse and prolong what would need to go on as a mystery until all the times are fulfilled. This is the mystery of God as he declared to his servants the prophets--wherein the times of this world are the very thing that restrains "all truth" which was only to come when "He who restrains is taken out of the way. This is that time.

Every word must be reconciled with all of scripture--not literarily--but spiritually. Most people's doctrines only include part and cannot be reconciled--this is that testing of every spirit.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Your math is world-based, the understanding of men.

LOL. It talks about there being 69 weeks from the time of the commandment to restore and rebuild Jerusalem to the appearance of the Messiah and that the Messiah would be cut off after the first 69 weeks. That's scripture-based math. For whatever reason, you have decided to make simple things as convoluted as possible. I feel sorry for you.

I explained this before: three-score and two weeks...is a riddle.

Nonsense. You are not to be taken seriously.

This is the creation story of seven days/times "confused."

Hello? It indicates that the beginning of the prophecy would be when the command to restore and rebuild Jerusalem was given. How do you get that it's about the creation story from that? Good grief. You just make things up.

But even that is in world-based number logic, hence the hook. I said I wasn't going to get into it--because it is a fool's errand.

What you believe is definitely foolish and unnecessarily convoluted.

Suffice to say, spiritually it means 6 divided; and the seventy weeks...spiritually refers to the days of creation--one of which is God's--not of this world--but God's day of rest, the seventh day.

Where is that indicated whatsoever in the prophecy itself? The prophecy talks about the 70 weeks as beginning with the commandment to restore and rebuild Jerusalem. How do you get the days of creation from that?

The "one week", commonly but wrongly assumed to be a "seventieth" week, is a confirmation summary--riddled--in [smaller] terms. Only to be spiritually discerned.

In other words, Daniel's prophecy is not given to explain what is true--that version was already given in the beginning--it was to confuse and prolong what would need to go on as a mystery until all the times are fulfilled. This is the mystery of God as he declared to his servants the prophets--wherein the times of this world are the very thing that restrains "all truth" which was only to come when "He who restrains is taken out of the way. This is that time.

Every word must be reconciled with all of scripture--not literarily--but spiritually. Most people's doctrines only include part and cannot be reconciled--this is that testing of every spirit.

Is there anything literal in your world? I get the sense that you think you are living in some kind of alternate reality or something and not in the real, physical world.

 

[ScottA]

Hello? It indicates that the beginning of the prophecy would be when the command to restore and rebuild Jerusalem was given. How do you get that it's about the creation story from that? Good grief. You just make things up.

You are being a fool.

"In the beginning"... Hello!

 

[ScottA]

What you believe is definitely foolish and unnecessarily convoluted.

This is not what I "believe", but what is only "spiritually discerned"--and you should know better.

 

[ScottA]

Where is that indicated whatsoever in the prophecy itself?

"For a time and times and half a time" (Daniel 7:25 and 12:7).

But you said "indicated"--not explained. I have explained.

 

[ScottA]

Is there anything literal in your world? I get the sense that you think you are living in some kind of alternate reality or something and not in the real, physical world.

Talk about an alternate reality!

Do you not understand that this world is an altered, lower form of existence, where actual truth and reality is purposely restrained by God and only given out "here a little there a little?"

Should I quote Job to you: “Where were you when I laid the foundations of the earth? Tell Me, if you have understanding."

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

You are being a fool.

"In the beginning"... Hello!

Says the one who foolishly makes scripture far more complicated than it is. The prophecy itself indicates that the 70 weeks would begin with the command to restore and rebuild Jerusalem, not with God's command for the heavens and the earth to be created. Talk about being a fool...wow.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

"For a time and times and half a time" (Daniel 7:25 and 12:7).

But you said "indicated"--not explained. I have explained.

I was talking about Daniel 9:24-27, which is its own prophecy. But, I'm not surprised if you don't understand that.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Talk about an alternate reality!

Do you not understand that this world is an altered, lower form of existence, where actual truth and reality is purposely restrained by God and only given out "here a little there a little?"

Should I quote Job to you: “Where were you when I laid the foundations of the earth? Tell Me, if you have understanding."

LOL. I don't even know what is real to you. Are you a real person? Is there anything literal in your reality?

 

[ScottA]

Says the one who foolishly makes scripture far more complicated than it is. The prophecy itself indicates that the 70 weeks would begin with the command to restore and rebuild Jerusalem, not with God's command for the heavens and the earth to be created. Talk about being a fool...wow.

You have it backwards--I am simplifying the scriptures, connecting the dots for you: "beginning" with "begin." Plain and simple.

Complicating it is what God did by confusing all language, and Daniel expanded upon it as it was multiplied out from its core meaning, by the Spirit which goes about doing the work of God throughout the ages--according to His purpose, to return a profit; and you complicate it further by believing that what pointed back to the original truth was more than a riddle according to the plan of God and His purpose, giving unto all generations their portion.

But that order no longer stands. It has been removed--and as much as you hate to hear it--the revealing of "all truth" "plainly", was to come, and has come. But your head is still spinning with the momentum of the ages. I get that. Just don't be so foolish to not come out of her--her who enticed for so long according to the confusion allowed among the works of Satan.

 

[ScottA]

I was talking about Daniel 9:24-27, which is its own prophecy. But, I'm not surprised if you don't understand that.

Watch your tone, I'm trying to keep a foot in the door for you. But no, the prophecy is the same, told in other words--not pointing forward as much as back (before the foundation of the world), revealed after the fact.

 

[ScottA]

LOL. I don't even know what is real to you. Are you a real person? Is there anything literal in your reality?

Did you think that the raw truth from God would not cause you to be disoriented? The time has come. Which would you prefer--to have the band-aid ripped off or slowly tugged at?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Watch your tone, I'm trying to keep a foot in the door for you.

LOL. You crack me up.

But no, the prophecy is the same, told in other words--not pointing forward as much as back (before the foundation of the world), revealed after the fact.

Whatever. I have no reason to pay any attention to your nonsense.

 

[ScottA]

LOL. You crack me up.


Whatever. I have no reason to pay any attention to your nonsense.

So be it.

 

[Timtofly]

Here are the four verses that mention the term antichrist

1 John 2:18
18 Dear children, this is the last hour; and as you have heard that the antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come. This is how we know it is the last hour.

1 John 2:22
22 Who is the liar? It is whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a person is the antichrist—denying the Father and the Son.

1 John 4:3
3 but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world.

2 John 1:7
I say this because many deceivers, who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh, have gone out into the world. Any such person is the deceiver and the

Thus antichrist is more than one, a spirit and was already in the world in the first century. This is very different that the sea beast of revelation.

In Johns day antichrist was the perfect description of apostate Israel

Satan is the "Antichrist", and has been at work since Adam and Eve in the Garden. The "spirit of" has been plaguing mankind since then, not just in the first century. The last 2000 years have been the last days, as the Garden was in the first days of mankind.

So the Antichrist is Satan, and the sea beast is the spirit of Antichrist working in mankind since Nebuchadnezzar in Babylon. The sea beast has been all those kingdoms since Babylon, and 6 have come and gone, the 7th Kingdom is the head, Satan and his 42 months of Abomination of Desolation.

 

[Marty fox]

Satan is the "Antichrist", and has been at work since Adam and Eve in the Garden. The "spirit of" has been plaguing mankind since then, not just in the first century. The last 2000 years have been the last days, as the Garden was in the first days of mankind.

So the Antichrist is Satan, and the sea beast is the spirit of Antichrist working in mankind since Nebuchadnezzar in Babylon. The sea beast has been all those kingdoms since Babylon, and 6 have come and gone, the 7th Kingdom is the head, Satan and his 42 months of Abomination of Desolation.

But Johns description of the antichrist isn’t the same description he gave of the sea beast and he even named them different.

So who is the eighth king then?

 

[Zao is life]

Your math is world-based, the understanding of men.

I explained this before: three-score and two weeks...is a riddle. This is the creation story of seven days/times "confused." But even that is in world-based number logic, hence the hook. I said I wasn't going to get into it--because it is a fool's errand. Suffice to say, spiritually it means 6 divided; and the seventy weeks...spiritually refers to the days of creation--one of which is God's--not of this world--but God's day of rest, the seventh day.

The "one week", commonly but wrongly assumed to be a "seventieth" week, is a confirmation summary--riddled--in [smaller] terms. Only to be spiritually discerned.

In other words, Daniel's prophecy is not given to explain what is true--that version was already given in the beginning--it was to confuse and prolong what would need to go on as a mystery until all the times are fulfilled. This is the mystery of God as he declared to his servants the prophets--wherein the times of this world are the very thing that restrains "all truth" which was only to come when "He who restrains is taken out of the way. This is that time.

Every word must be reconciled with all of scripture--not literarily--but spiritually. Most people's doctrines only include part and cannot be reconciled--this is that testing of every spirit.

@Spiritual Israelite is correct in what he says about this.

The only thing that comes to my mind when you make the assertions that you do is a mystery cult, of which you are the self-appointed leader. No doubt you will have gained followers, and will gain even more from among the gullible.

The only "mystery" that needs to be spiritually discerned regarding Daniel 9:26-27 lies in why Jesus made an obvious allusion to Daniel 9:24-27 when He said this:

Matthew 18
21 Then came Peter to him, and said, Lord, how oft shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? till seven times?
22 Jesus saith unto him, I say not unto thee, Until seven times: but, Until seventy times seven.

The seventieth week is the completion of the prophecy because it was during the seventieth week that the Messiah brought in the New Covenant in His blood, which He gave for the forgiveness of sins.

Isaiah 53:8 tells us that He was cut off out of the land of the living, and that He was stricken for the transgression of God's people - again alluding to sin, which is the transgression of the law (1 John 3:4);

and Daniel 9:26 tells us too that the Messiah would be cut off during the 70th week, adding that He was not cut off for Himself (i.o.w, not for His own sins).

It represents the completion of the promise God made to Abraham regarding the fact that in his seed all the families of the earth would be blessed, and via the prophet Jeremiah regarding the New Covenant and the forgiveness of sins in Jeremiah 31:31-34.

It's very clear (for those who indeed do have the help of the Holy Spirit to understand) that this is why Jesus alluded to Daniel 9:24-27 in Matthew 18:22 (or at least part of the reason why).

But IMO you intend to lock people into your "mysteries" in your self-created mystery cult, of which you are the self-appointed leader - so that you can control them - - which is why people must first buy your book in order to become more "deeply informed" regarding your "mysteries".

LOL. Do you have an initiation rite yet?

Whether this person with this YouTube channel is correct in what he finds or not, it's clear to me he is not trying to deceive, nor become the leader of a mystery cult, and what he says about 70X7 is way more fascinating than the 'mysteries' you come up with.

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[Davidpt]

@Spiritual Israelite is correct in what he says about this.

The only thing that comes to my mind when you make the assertions that you do is a mystery cult, of which you are the self-appointed leader. No doubt you will have gained followers, and will gain even more from among the gullible.

The only "mystery" that needs to be spiritually discerned regarding Daniel 9:26-27 lies in why Jesus made an obvious allusion to Daniel 9:24-27 when He said this:

Matthew 18
21 Then came Peter to him, and said, Lord, how oft shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? till seven times?
22 Jesus saith unto him, I say not unto thee, Until seven times: but, Until seventy times seven.

The seventieth week is the completion of the prophecy because it was during the seventieth week that the Messiah brought in the New Covenant in His blood, which He gave for the forgiveness of sins.

Isaiah 53:8 tells us that He was cut off out of the land of the living, and that He was stricken for the transgression of God's people - again alluding to sin, which is the transgression of the law (1 John 3:4);

and Daniel 9:26 tells us too that the Messiah would be cut off during the 70th week, adding that He was not cut off for Himself (i.o.w, not for His own sins).

It represents the completion of the promise God made to Abraham regarding the fact that in his seed all the families of the earth would be blessed, and via the prophet Jeremiah regarding the New Covenant and the forgiveness of sins in Jeremiah 31:31-34.

It's very clear (for those who indeed do have the help of the Holy Spirit to understand) that this is why Jesus alluded to Daniel 9:24-27 in Matthew 18:22 (or at least part of the reason why).

But IMO you intend to lock people into your "mysteries" in your self-created mystery cult, of which you are the self-appointed leader - so that you can control them - - which is why people must first buy your book in order to become more "deeply informed" regarding your "mysteries".

LOL. Do you have an initiation rite yet?

Whether this person with this YouTube channel is correct in what he finds or not, it's clear to me he is not trying to deceive, nor become the leader of a mystery cult, and what he says about 70X7 is way more fascinating than the 'mysteries' you come up with.

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I haven't watched that video, so I have no clue what is said in that video. But I do have an opinion on this 70x7 in question.

Matthew 18:21 Then came Peter to him, and said, Lord, how oft shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? till seven times?
22 Jesus saith unto him, I say not unto thee, Until seven times: but, Until seventy times seven.


IOW, I say not unto thee, Until seven times: but, Until seventy times seven. But not 490 times, but until I return at the end of the remaining final half of the 70th week at the end of this age.

This way the 70 weeks involve both the first and 2nd coming. After all, for one, it doesn't make sense that the transgression upon the holy city was finished 2000 years ago. Then some 40 years later this same holy city is attacked and destroyed. Not to mention, this same holy city is on the map again and mainly occupied by unbelieving Jews. Plus, until Zechariah 14:11 is fulfilled first, it is ludricrous in the meantime that the trangression upon the holy city is already finished, IMO.

My view is this. Daniel 9:27 has already been fullfilled 2000 ago up unto this point--and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease. The remainder of that verse is reserved for the time of the end during the final days of this age involving the 42 month reign of the beast, for one. The entire verse is pertaining to the 70th week the same way verse 25 is pertaining to only the first 69 weeks.