Daniel 12: 7, and the Comic Book Version of the Anti-Christ and the Rebuilt Temple

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Daniel 12: 7, and the Comic Book Version of the Anti-Christ and the Rebuilt Temple

Daniel 12: 7 says ""...when he shall have accomplished
to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be
finished."

The end will come at the time when the holy people are scattered.

The key question is who are the holy people in Daniel 12: 7? Do you define them by man made theology or by scripture?

But Daniel 12: 7 does not fit the end time scenario of comic book prophecy, that the church will be raptured before the tribulation starts and then the Jews will be saved and there is to be a one man super world political dictator who is going to come and sit in a newly re-built temple in Jerusalem and defile it. This event is to mark the start of the dispensationalist seven year tribulation.

The quotes below are from an online version as a pdf file of:
Christian Zionism: Its History,
Theology and Politics, by Stephen Sizer
AAARGH Internet Editions
2005

http://www.vho.org/a....Rchriszion.pdf

Its from Stephen Sizer's chapter on Hal Lindsey

The Re-Built Temple In Jerusalem

Lindsey starts from Daniel 9: 24-27, and tells us that:
"This prophecy speaks of sacrifice and offerings which demand that the
Jews rebuild the
Temple for the third time upon its original site. At that point,
Judaism and Islam will be placed on an
inevitable course of war over the site, a war that will start
Armageddon. Many prophecies demand
rebuilding of the ancient Temple, indicating that the event is a
significant prophetic sign (see Matthew
24:15 and 2 Thessalonians 2:3,4). Therefore any move toward that
direction is a crucial clue to what
hour it is on God's prophetic timetable".160

"This prophecy" is Daniel 9: 24-27 The key verse is Daniel 9: 27.
"And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the
midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to
cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it
desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be
poured upon the desolate."

"He" shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease." This is where the
dispensationalists derive their doctrine that a third temple will be
built in Jerusalem before their anti-Christ appears.

But who is "he" in Daniel 9: 27? "He" has to refer back to the
previous verse, which is verse 26, saying "And after threescore and
two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the
people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the
sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end
of the war desolations are determined."

"He" is the Messiah, Jesus Christ. The only other man mentioned in
verse 26 is the prince, who is Titus, the Roman General that led the
army in the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD.

The footnote here, 160, is to 160 Lindsey, Israel., p. 23., Israel
and the Last Days 1983, Eugene, Oregon, Harvest House,

Sizer says "Lindsey points to the existence of two talmudic schools
training some 200 Levite priests and the
accumulation of vessels and clothing necessary to perform sacrifices,
as further proof of the imminent plans to rebuild the Temple."

Sizer quotes Lindsey as saying "So the rebuilding of the Temple is
significant not only because of the potential firestorm it will
create between Jews and Muslims in the Middle East. It is also a
critical development in the entire
prophetic scenario. The Bible makes it clear that in the last days the
Antichrist will establish his reign
in the Temple of Jerusalem. Therefore, the Temple must and will be
rebuilt."177 Lindsey, Final, p. 104.The Final Battle (Palos
Verdes, California, Western Front, 1995);

The Super One Man Political Anti-Christ

Sizer quotes Lindsey as saying "We believe that the dramatic
elements which are occurring in the world today are setting the
stage for this magnetic, diabolical Future Fuehrer to make his
entrance.301 301 Lindsey, Late., p. 113. The Late Great Planet Earth
(London, Lakeland, 1970);

"As I wrote 10 years ago in The Late Great Planet Earth, I believe this
man is alive today-alive
and waiting to come forth... I believe this leader is alive somewhere
in Europe; perhaps he is already a
member of the EEC parliament.302 302 Lindsey, 1980's., pp. 15, 106.The 1980's:
Countdown to Armageddon (New York, Bantam, 1981

He will immediately rise to prominence in the EEC and from that
post he will offer the world amazing solutions to all its complex and
terrifying problems. Because of his
superhuman powers and his solutions to the world's conflicts, the
anti-Christ will be chosen to lead the
EEC.303 303 Lindsey, 1980's., p. 109 The 1980's:
Countdown to Armageddon (New York, Bantam, 1981

Heading up what will evolve into a 10-nation confederacy will be a
man of such magnetism
and power that he will become the greatest dictator the world has ever
known... And he is alive today.
There is a potential dictator waiting in the wings somewhere in Europe
who will make Adolf Hitler and
Josef Stalin look like choir boys. Right now he is preparing to take
his throne, inflaming his soul with
visions of what he will be able to do for mankind with his grand
schemes and revolutionary ideas... Is
alive and well on planet Earth... Lets go meet him."304 304 Lindsey,
Planet., pp. 232, 235.
The Liberation of Planet Earth (London, Lakeland, 1974);

Sizer says "Despite promising in 1995, 'I will show you who will be
the key players in this endtimes drama,'and for thirty years, making
detailed predictions about this 'someone', supposedly alive today,
Lindsey is still unable to identify the anti-Christ."

The one man super anti-Christ of the dispensationalists is to sit in the re-built
temple to desecrate it, which is their take on Paul in II Thessalonians 2: 3-4. "Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4. Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God."

In scripture, rather than in Comic Book Theology, Paul teaches in I Corinthians 3: 16-17 and I Corinthians 6: 19 that the believers, those born again in Christ, are the temple. Then what he says in II Thessalonians 2: 4 is metaphor and does not talk about one guy sitting in a literal temple. If it refers to one super New World Order anti-Christ politician sitting in a literal temple, then Paul was not writing under the the Holy Spirit in either II Thessalonians 2: 4 or in I Corinthians 3: 16-17 and I Corinthians 6: 19. The Holy Spirit does not inspire contradictory doctrines.

In Paul's metaphor the man of sin, representing many false prophets or those who have the spirit of anti-Christ, will influence, or "sit," in the minds and hearts of the believers who have been deceived into accepting the false doctrines taught.

Another part of the comic book scenario is that the dispensationalist church will be raptured off the earth right before the one man anti-Christ appears and sits in the literal temple in Jerusalem. John in I John 2: 18-19, and I John 4: 3 does not predict a one man anti-Christ who is to appear during the tribulation. Rather, he talks about many anti-Christs being in the world when he wrote and that there is a spirit of Anti-Christ.

In the comic book scenario the "Holy People" are the Jews who in postponement theology are all saved and totally born again after the "church" has been raptured. If the born again Jews are to be scattered, and remember it says the power of the holy people is to be scattered, this does not fit with the dispensationalist scenario that "All Israel" shall be saved during the tribulation. Remember also that during the tribulation in the comic book scenario the 144,000, all male Jew virgins, are running around doing something. Hal Lindsay says they are 144,000 "Billy Grahams." Though the Jews as the "Holy People" may not all be in one place during the tribulation their power will not be reduced by the scattering as told in Daniel 12: 7 - in the comic book scenario. The Holy People have to be those born again in Christ, since people have no righteousness of their own, but only take on the righteousness of Christ when they are in him and receive some part of his mind into their inner life.

So, the comic book theologians have to ignore Daniel 12: 7 or make up explanations about how it is fulfilled in some way that doesn't involve "All Israel shall be saved" during the tribulation.


And - the Holy Spirit is not the Restrainer of II Thessalonians 2: 7. Get a good concordance and look up texts involving the Holy Spirit and how he deals with us. He leads into the truth. The restrainer is not the Holy Spirit. Since the Holy Spirit leads into the truth, then how could a Remnant or the 144,000 operate in great faith on the earth during the very last days? And how could 144,000 male Jewish virgins all be Hal Lindsey's "Billy Grahams" without the Holy Spirit? Lindsey apparently meant that the 144,000 will have spiritual power. No one has spiritual power without the Holy Spirit. Lindsey used the wrong guy, though, because a 33rd degree mason - unless he fully repents - does not have spiritual power from the Holy Spirit. He might have some spiritual power though.

 

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I love these self-sealed prophets of doom and how they prattle on. Every single time the people of God buy into their sparkling words. Every single time their calendars fall to pieces. Every single time they believe in numbers instead of God's will.

For that is all these modern prophecies are based upon, calendars and numbers. Claiming to be Bible based, they cut and paste words and phrases from God's Book into their own. Having no real light of their own, they steal that which was given to others. The Christians use their book while the secularists use some central American stony calendar to predict the worlds end not in 3.5 years but in the twelfth year of this century. It's all the same. Prognostications and predictions based upon human understanding and greed. It is all the same, pretty words for ticklish ears. All the while misleading the saints from the real issues at hand.

Take, for example, the prophet Lindsay who made a handsome profit for himself with the first national best seller, the subject of which was the destruction of the planet. Ignore that prophet Lindsay built his castle upon the San Andreas fault, which some say will split the west coast down the middle in some future cataclysm. Ignore that a lot of the original contents of the book had to be excluded or massaged into subsequent editions.

The real issues upon us this day are those of transmission of the gospel of life to a dying world. The world, comic books and all, will take care of itself and the master of the throne of heaven is able to orchestrate his ends without our approval or oversight. We have been called to save the lost, to salve the hurt and to address injustice yet we have done none of these things.

Church attendance is down to the lowest point since the church was established. Europe is completely secularized and America isn't far behind. Third world countries now send missionaries to us!

Unemployment is now at the highest level since the Great Depression of the 1930's (some say even worse). Is the church concerned with the poor? NO. We are building mega churches for the wealthy to attend. Real estate development is the project for Churchianity, not help for the poor.

Are American Christians concerned with injustice? Absolutely not. Most support political candidates such as Bachman and Perry who are openly supportive of American war crimes such as torture (waterboarding* should be reintroduced, they say), murder of non-combatant civilians (our wars and illegal invasions of sovereign nations should go on and on), greed (no member of the American financial cartel has ever been brought to justice - in fact they have been rewarded by silence from the church) and political expediency. The old American Republic has passed into history (June 21, 1788 - October 26, 2001), but we act as if it continues as of old and that it will continue on forever.

No, let's not be concerned with any REAL issue. Let's just keep on arguing about matters of which we have absolutely no control - for another three and a half years, or 13 monts, or however long it takes for the master of THIS world to rise up and steal the administration of that which we have abandoned.

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* Waterboarding is a spare time activity for our brave lads in foreign parts. It consists of fastening a man onto the ground face up. A cloth is placed over his face and water is poured over his face. The experience simulates drowning and results in LUNG AND BRAIN damage due to oxygen deprivation as well as broken bones from struggling. Yet Christians approve of this because some wicked politicans say it isn't torture. America right or wrong they say as they salute the national flag prominently displayed in every house of worship. This is called hypocrisy and NONE repeat NONE of American Christians raise their voices against our government. Our lads are congratulated as heros for the torture and murder they visit upon innocents. Will God bless America for these crimes? Sure He will. We're Americans you know and the Almighty HAS TO BLESS us.

 

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Post-tribulationists do not adhere to a rapture prior to the tribulation, nor to man's books proposing those things from Darby, like Dispensationalism and many of Lindsey's ideas. But most Post-trib do agree a third temple willl be built in Jerusalem for the last days, and the Antichrist will come to sit in it to show himself and the world that he is God.

The temple Apostle Paul spoke of in 2 Thess.2 that a false one is to come and sit in is NOT about the spiritual Temple of Christ's Body. That is a blatant FALSE doctrine from men's traditions based on Historicism and Preterism.

Christ's Temple with Him as its Cornerstone, the prophets and Apostles as foundation stones, and we who have believed on Jesus as lively stones, CANNOT be corrupted by any antichrist. If it could be, Christ's Salvation would no longer exist. A Christian believer who falls away from that Foundation is cut off from it. That's why such ideas that Paul was talking about a spiritual temple in 2 Thess.2 is a falsehood easy to spot. And those who have latched onto that falsehood are in danger of being cut off through deception when the Antichrist does arrive to sit a newly built temple in Jerusalem, which is what Apostle Paul was talking about.

But not only did Paul warn about a false one coming to sit in a literal physical temple, doing great signs and wonders, so did our Lord Jesus give that warning within His Olivet Discourse in Matt.24 and Mark 13...


Matt 24:15-16
15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand
16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
(KJV)

Christ defined where that 'abomination of desolation' would be setup in Jerusalem with that "stand in the holy place". That "holy place" involves the inner sanctum inside the temple at Jerusalem, for the 2nd temple was still standing at that time when He said it (yet we know this event is for the very end).

Matt 24:21-26
21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
23 Then if any man shall say unto you, "Lo, here is Christ", or there"; believe it not.
24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
25 Behold, I have told you before.
26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, "Behold, he is in the desert"; go not forth: "behold, he is in the secret chambers"; believe it not.
(KJV)

In that, Christ is warning about a specific person that some will be saying is Him. The Matt.24:23 & 26 verses are in the SINGULAR tense, about a specific false Christ, or false Messiah.

Matt.24:24 is the SAME sign that Apostle Paul gave in 2 Thess.2 about the false works the false one he mentioned will do when he comes to sit in the temple. But 2 Thess.2 was not the last Scripture given about that tribulation timing event...

Rev 13:11-14
11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.
12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.
13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.
(KJV)

There's that very same sign of a false one doing those miracles and great wonders that Jesus mentioned in Matt.24:24, and Paul mentioned in 2 Thess.2.

Thus there should be absolutely NO DOUBT that the Scripture context IS about the coming of a singular 'false Christ' to sit in a literal temple in Jerusalem doing great wonders and signs to deceive with.