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No such thing exists in scripture. There is no single verse, nor compilation of verses which say or teach it.
DANIEL THE PROPHET TOLD US EXACTLY WHEN THE RAPTURE WILL TAKE PLACE
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Daniel cannot be referring to this, as Revelation was written in (roughly) AD 90ish, while Daniel 12 was penned sometime in 536/5 BC (In the third year of Cyrus king of Persia; Daniel 10:1).
Revelation 12:7-8 refers to two things,
[1] The original fall of Lucifer from Heaven, at around the Creation of this earth.
Isa 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
Isa 14:13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
Isa 14:14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.
Isa 14:15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.
[2] The fall of satan in the minds of mankind during the time of Christ in earthly Canaan (a type of Heaven) :
Luk 10:17 And the seventy returned again with joy, saying, Lord, even the devils are subject unto us through thy name.
Luk 10:18 And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.
Luk 10:19 Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you.
Luk 10:20 Notwithstanding in this rejoice not, that the spirits are subject unto you; but rather rejoice, because your names are written in heaven.
Luk_17:21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.
Daniel 12:1 is directly connected to Luke 13:25, etc.Dan 12:1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.
Luk 13:25 When once the master of the house is risen up, and hath shut to the door, and ye begin to stand without, and to knock at the door, saying, Lord, Lord, open unto us; and he shall answer and say unto you, I know you not whence ye are:
Isa 14:22 For I will rise up against them, saith the LORD of hosts, and cut off from Babylon the name, and remnant, and son, and nephew, saith the LORD.
Isa 14:23 I will also make it a possession for the bittern, and pools of water: and I will sweep it with the besom of destruction, saith the LORD of hosts.
Isa 28:21 For the LORD shall rise up as in mount Perazim, he shall be wroth as in the valley of Gibeon, that he may do his work, his strange work; and bring to pass his act, his strange act.
Psa 3:7 Arise, O LORD; save me, O my God: for thou hast smitten all mine enemies upon the cheek bone; thou hast broken the teeth of the ungodly.
Psa 7:6 Arise, O LORD, in thine anger, lift up thyself because of the rage of mine enemies: and awake for me to the judgment that thou hast commanded.
Psa 9:19 Arise, O LORD; let not man prevail: let the heathen be judged in thy sight.
Psa 9:20 Put them in fear, O LORD: that the nations may know themselves to be but men. Selah.
Psa 10:12 Arise, O LORD; O God, lift up thine hand: forget not the humble.
Psa 17:13 Arise, O LORD, disappoint him, cast him down: deliver my soul from the wicked, which is thy sword:
Psa 44:26 Arise for our help, and redeem us for thy mercies' sake.
Psa 74:22 Arise, O God, plead thine own cause: remember how the foolish man reproacheth thee daily.
Psa 82:8 Arise, O God, judge the earth: for thou shalt inherit all nations.
Psa 94:1 O LORD God, to whom vengeance belongeth; O God, to whom vengeance belongeth, shew thyself.
Psa 94:2 Lift up thyself, thou judge of the earth: render a reward to the proud.
Psa 102:13 Thou shalt arise, and have mercy upon Zion: for the time to favour her, yea, the set time, is come.
Psa_109:31 For he shall stand at the right hand of the poor, to save him from those that condemn his soul.
Adventageous
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No. The context of the time, times and half a time, are the exact same same timeframe spoken of in scripture as the 1,260 years.
Dan. 7:25, 12:7; Rev. 11:2-3, 12:6,14, 13:5; Luk. 21:24; Num. 14:34; Eze. 4:6
In those verses, the context shows that the timeframe is after the Roman Empire (Pagan Rome) splits and the Papacy (Papal Rome) arises:
Dan 7:24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.
Dan 7:25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.
It is before:
Dan 7:26 But the judgment shall sit, and they shall take away his dominion, to consume and to destroy it unto the end.
The same is seen in Revelation, where the timeframe exists, again, in parallel, after the Pagan Roman Emprire (Dragon) through Herod (subject, client king, of Rome) as the church flees from persecution into the wilderness:Rev 12:1 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:
Rev 12:2 And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.
Rev 12:3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.
Rev 12:4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.
Rev 12:5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.
Rev 12:6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.
Repeated in chiasm:
Rev 12:14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.
Again, seen during the time of the Antichrist (Vicarius Christi, Papal Rome), having the same characteristics as Daniel gives in Daniel 7, etc:Rev 13:4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?
Rev 13:5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.
Rev 13:6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.
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Ronald Nolette
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Sorry, but you join legions of others who have diligently tried to time the rapture. Teh rapture will occur when Jesus has finished preparing a place for the church and the church alone. The event is to be a "thief in the night". It could have happened anytime from the day after Pentecost. to now.
Daniel 12 and REv. 12 are not speaking of the same thing.
Daniel 12 is Michael standing for Israel While Rev. 12 is a war in heaven where Satan is cast to the earth to persecute the jews and believers. Context matters.
Earburner
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Many assume the word "rapture" is in reference to the resurrection of our physical bodies into immortality. Unfortunately, many are not seeing that our resurrection is a two stage process. First spiritual, by being born again of/by Christ's Holy Spirit, and then upon Christ's Glorious and physical return, we are resurrected into the likeness of His Immortality. Rom. 8:8-9
We ourselves, in our physical and mortal bodies, ARE created of/from the dust of the earth. None are born with the Spirit of God, except John the Baptist and Jesus.
Therefore, though we are consciously awake unto ourselves and each other, we are asleep to God, being spiritually dead to God in our mortal, "earthen" bodies.
2 Cor. 4
[7] But we have this [His] treasure in earthen vessels [our mortal bodies], that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.
To God, we are nothing until we are Born again of His Spirit. We are dead to God in our sinfulness of being, until we receive His forgiveness and the Gift of His Holy Spirit. Before we die in our mortal bodies, "the dust of the earth" that we are made out of, we must be born again.
If not, then we are NOT "partakers" in the resurrection of Christ, who is the firstborn from the dead, being Himself "the first resurrection.".Rev. 20
[6] Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the FIRST resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
All who are born again, are having part in the first resurrection, who is Christ Himself.
If we must use the word "rapture", I believe the "born again" experience is that rapture, the first of the two stage process of our salvation, while we still have breath.
Daniel 2
[2] And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.
John 11
[25] Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:
Col. 2
[12] Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye ARE risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.
Col. 3
[1] If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God.
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David in NJ
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EXCELLENT = Always keep at the forefront of your mind/heart that Scripture cannot lie.
Revelation runs in cycles and offers us viewpoints of what is soon to take place.
ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS know that the Rapture will NOT occur until His Coming and the Resurrection of the dead in HIM.
1 Thessalonians 4:13-18
Brothers, we do not want you to be uninformed about those who sleep in death, so that you will not grieve like the rest, who are without hope. For since we believe that Jesus died and rose again, we also believe that God will bring with Jesus those who have fallen asleep in Him.
By the word of the Lord, we declare to you that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord
will by no means precede those who have fallen asleep/died.
For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a loud command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will be the first to rise.
After that, we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will always be with the Lord.
Therefore encourage one another with these words.
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David in NJ
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the LORD Jesus finished preparing a Place for His Church/Bride/Elect a VERY LONG time ago = Read the Gospel of John.
Ronald D Milam
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You, like a lot of people conflate the Rapture of Jesus' Church with the Second Coming. Israel will be raised up at the very end, that is when Jesus shows up to save the "144,000" (3.5-5 million Jews) trapped Jews in the Petra/Bozrah area, but he shows up with the Raptured Church/His Bride. The Jews are the Fathers bride, the 144,000" have the Fathers name in their foreheads.
Dan. 12:1-2 is about the Jewish Resurrection after the 70th week, the Bride of Christ is raised just before the 70th week.
David in NJ
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Example of a lie = "Dan. 12:1-2 is about the Jewish Resurrection after the 70th week, the Bride of Christ is raised just before the 70th week."
Every word of God is pure;
He is a shield to those who put their trust in Him.
Do not add to His words,
Lest He rebuke you, and you be found a liar.
Proverbs 30:5-6
There is no difference and no separation in the Body of Christ between Jew & Gentile = Romans 10:10-13
For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
For the Scripture says, “Whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame.”
For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek, for the same Lord over all is rich to all who call upon Him.
For “whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved.”
Anyone who tells you that there is a separation between Jew & Gentile in Christ is a liar.
Satan always seeks to change the words of God ever slightly to seduce and deceive, just as he did in the Garden to Eve.
For I am jealous for you with godly jealousy. For I have betrothed you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ. But I fear, lest somehow, as the serpent deceived Eve by his craftiness, so your minds may be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.
2 Corinthians 11:1-3
1 Thessalonians 4:13-18
But I do not want you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning those who have fallen asleep, lest you sorrow as others who have no hope. For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who sleep in Jesus.
For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. Therefore comfort one another with these words.
Every word of God is pure;
He is a shield to those who put their trust in Him.
Do not add to His words,
Lest He rebuke you, and you be found a liar.
Proverbs 30:5-6
There is no difference and no separation in the Body of Christ between Jew & Gentile = Romans 10:10-13
For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
For the Scripture says, “Whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame.”
For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek, for the same Lord over all is rich to all who call upon Him.
For “whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved.”
Anyone who tells you that there is a separation between Jew & Gentile in Christ is a liar.
Satan always seeks to change the words of God ever slightly to seduce and deceive, just as he did in the Garden to Eve.
For I am jealous for you with godly jealousy. For I have betrothed you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ. But I fear, lest somehow, as the serpent deceived Eve by his craftiness, so your minds may be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.
2 Corinthians 11:1-3
1 Thessalonians 4:13-18
But I do not want you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning those who have fallen asleep, lest you sorrow as others who have no hope. For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who sleep in Jesus.
For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. Therefore comfort one another with these words.
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David in NJ
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There is only ONE Resurrection at the last day for those who have been Justified by God thru Faith in His Word.
All of the Saints from Genesis on thru to Revelation will have part in the First Resurrection when the LORD Returns.
1 Corinthians chapter 15
But now Christ is risen from the dead, and has become the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep.
For since by man came death, by Man also came the resurrection of the dead.
For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all shall be made alive.
Behold, I tell you a mystery: We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed— in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye,
at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
"in the days of the sounding of the seventh angel, when he is about to sound, the mystery of God would be finished,
as He declared to His servants the prophets." - Revelation 10:7
Daniel 12:1-3
At that time Michael, the great prince who stands watch over your people, will rise up. There will be a time of distress, the likes of which will not have occurred from the beginning of nations until that time.
But at that time your people = everyone whose name is found written in the book—will be delivered.
And many who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake, some to everlasting life, but others to shame and everlasting contempt.
Then the wise will shine like the brightness of the heavens, and those who lead many to righteousness will shine like the stars forever and ever.
JESUS spoke of the Coming Resurrection for all Saints when HE walked this earth - Matthew 22:29-32
Jesus answered and said to them, “You are mistaken, not knowing the Scriptures nor the power of God. For in the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels of God in heaven. But concerning the resurrection of the dead, have you not read what was spoken to you by God, saying, ‘I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob’? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living.”
The Prophets, the LORD Jesus Christ and the Apostles only spoke of One Resurrection for the Just which occurs at His Second Coming.
All of the Saints from Genesis on thru to Revelation will have part in the First Resurrection when the LORD Returns.
1 Corinthians chapter 15
But now Christ is risen from the dead, and has become the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep.
For since by man came death, by Man also came the resurrection of the dead.
For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all shall be made alive.
Behold, I tell you a mystery: We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed— in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye,
at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
"in the days of the sounding of the seventh angel, when he is about to sound, the mystery of God would be finished,
as He declared to His servants the prophets." - Revelation 10:7
Daniel 12:1-3
At that time Michael, the great prince who stands watch over your people, will rise up. There will be a time of distress, the likes of which will not have occurred from the beginning of nations until that time.
But at that time your people = everyone whose name is found written in the book—will be delivered.
And many who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake, some to everlasting life, but others to shame and everlasting contempt.
Then the wise will shine like the brightness of the heavens, and those who lead many to righteousness will shine like the stars forever and ever.
JESUS spoke of the Coming Resurrection for all Saints when HE walked this earth - Matthew 22:29-32
Jesus answered and said to them, “You are mistaken, not knowing the Scriptures nor the power of God. For in the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels of God in heaven. But concerning the resurrection of the dead, have you not read what was spoken to you by God, saying, ‘I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob’? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living.”
The Prophets, the LORD Jesus Christ and the Apostles only spoke of One Resurrection for the Just which occurs at His Second Coming.
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The rapture is the word harpazo, a Greek word Paul used when speaking of the living survivors of the GT being physically raised up to the clouds after they had been changed from mortal to immortal. It is not what being born again is, which happened LONG before the rapture happens to these people. There are also not two resurrections for believers.
A person accepts Jesus and is born again, if they live through the GT they will be raptured, as well as having been made immortal.
A person who accepted Jesus and was born again who dies, will wait in heaven until the resurrection where they will become physically alive in a new and immortal body and will be with Christ when he raptures the living believers at the second coming.
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David in NJ
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We cannot make this up but JESUS, who is the Author and Finisher of our faith, wrote it in the heavens before we ever existed.
Ronald Nolette
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Wrong! That place is not done. Jesus is simply following the Jewish wedding ritual. Teh arrangement is made. The bride price is paid. the bride prepares herself to be a wife and the groom goes away to prepare a place in His Fathers house. Once the place is prepared to the Fathers satisfaction, He instructs His Son to fetch His bride!
There is nothing is Scripture that says our rooms are ready! That is 100% assumption on you rpart.
David in NJ
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JESUS fulfilled His Wedding Agreement/Contract with us at the Last Supper.
The HE went to the FATHER with the Purchase Price of the Bride = HIS BLOOD
Then HE prepared the Place for ALL Believers in ONE ACT as HE poured out His Blood on the Mercy Seat in Heaven.
Which Resulted in this: John chapters 14-17 and Acts ch2 and Ephesians 2:4-7 and Hebrews 12:22-24
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Ronald Nolette
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He paid the price and returned to heaven to prepare a place for us. If He follows Jewish custom, He comes for the church when our home is prepared and the Father tells the son to fetch HIs bride.
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Three and a half years, is simply a way of giving definition by times, regarding an event of God in whom there is no passing of time.
In other words, God began His explanation demon-strating 7 times (the days of creation) foreshadowing all of history, and then prophetically foretold that salvation would come in the middle (three and a half...days, weeks, or years). All of which is better understood without the worldly terms of days and weeks and years, as simply, "a time, times, and half a time", meaning: "all of time, made up of two times, divided in half."
Thus, Christ came between the times of Israel and the times of the Gentiles.
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