I made a point of pointing out that Daniel 9:27 and Daniel 11:31 are not linked and I gave the reason, so I'm not following your point about this.
I wasn't referring to anything in particular in your post--just stating my general philosophy in the way I interpret prophecies.
Daniel 9:26-27's abominations (which are mentioned in the plural in all English translations) are associated BY THE TEXT with the destruction of the Temple and of the city.
Yes, there were lots of Roman soldiers. They were "abominations"--plural. They were pagans in a city dedicated to the worship of God, and had eagle standards, representing Roman idolatry.
Daniel 8:11; Daniel 11:31 and Daniel 12:11-12 are not associated BY THE SURROUNDING TEXT with the destruction of either the Temple or of the city. The Temple was cleansed afterward.
Yes.
Daniel 11:31 is associated with a temporary cessation of the daily sacrifices.
Daniel 9:27 is associated with a permanent cessation of the daily sacrifices.
Yes, Dan 11.31 had to do with Antiochus 4 and his defiling of the temple, along with a massacre of the Jews. Dan 9.27 had to do with ending Temple worship altogether, which took place in 70 AD.
THE TEXT surrounding Daniel 8:11; Daniel 11:31 and Daniel 12:11-12 associates the 1,290 days, 1,335 days and 2.300 evenings and mornings with Antiochus IV, Epiphanes and a temporary cessation of daily sacrifices that are not associated with the destruction of the Temple or the city.
Exactly, the 2300 days encompasses a time when the troubles began before Antiochus' reign of terror. J. Barton Payne explains this very well in his Encyclopedia of Prophecy, which I've detailed elsewhere.
Daniel 9:27 and Daniel 11:31 are not linked, as I said. Daniel 9:26-27 was fulfilled by the Roman armies in 70 A.D - and a permanent cessation of the daily sacrifices was the result of the destruction of the Temple.
I'm not sure why you repeated what I said as though you were disagreeing with me when what you did say was in agreement with me that the two are not linked?
As I said, I agreed with much of what you said. I was just adding my philosophy of interpretation, giving examples from the material you were discussing. It wasn't at all a statement of disagreement on any particular matter, though there may have been some mild disagreement somewhere?
I disagree with the rest of what you said. The book of Maccabees in the Apocrypha, and the 1st century Jewish historian Josephus both link Daniel 8:11 and Daniel 11:31 to Antiochus IV, "Epiphanes" and to the second century, BC, and the Jews' annual celebration of Hanukkah is based on this history - so there must be "something" that occurred in history that fulfilled the prophecy, and all historians and secular encyclopedias that do not have a religious motive for adjusting the facts know what that "something" is.
But I agree that Dan 11.31 and 8.11 refer to Antiochus 4! Where are you disagreeing?
So do all the Jews. Hannukah is a remembrance of the re-dedication of the Temple after the abomination of desolation was removed, the Temple cleansed, and the daily sacrifices resumed.
Most 20th and 21st century Christians need to rewrite history to fit almost everything into their favorite folder titled "the end of this age and the return of Christ".
But that 4th beast and the actions of Antiochus IV Epiphanes are only a biblical type of the end of the age 4th beast - because Antiochus IV did not complete all the prophecies surrounding the abomination of desolation in the holy place: Some aspects of that prophecy will be completed by the man of sin in the holy place (Matthew 24:15; 2 Thessalonians 2:4) - which is not a physical temple but the body of Christ,
Here we may have some disagreement. I think the 4th Beast was Rome, and continues in this age via European Culture. It is an Imperial Culture underneath the facade of Democracy. Consider Russia, which also springs out of European Civilization. They pretend Democracy, and really represent Fascism.
Also, I do not hold to "Dualistic Interpretation." Antiochus 4 fulfilled the representative prophecy speaking of him, and are not merely prototypical of a futuristic fulfillment. At best, Antiochus can be said to be comparable to the future Antichrist, though not a fulfillment of the same prophecy.
The Ancient of Days destroying the 4th beast and the Kingdom being given to the saints of the Most High forever and ever was not completed at the time of Antiochus. Nor was the resurrection and great tribulation mentioned in Daniel 12:1-3. The type of what is to come is the tribulation of the Jews under the hand of Antiochus. But Daniel 12:1-3 is not ultimately referring to the Jews but to the saints at the end of this age - the antitpye is Matthew 24:15 and 2 Thessalonians 2:4, and Matthew 24:21-22.
But there will be no daily sacrifice to temporarily take away again (the 1,290 and 1,335 days) because as Daniel 9:27 informs us, those daily sacrifices were caused to cease completely and permanently by the once-for-all sacrifice of Christ when He confirmed the New Covenant with many, and those daily sacrifices were permanently put a stop to by the Roman armies 40 years later.
The 1,290 and 1,335 and 2,300 evenings and morngins are linked BY THE TEXT in Daniel to the temporary suspension of the daily sacrifices in a Temple that was not destroyed, and to Antiochus IV.
It's possible that the 1,290 and 1,335 days may be repeated just before Christ returns - but NOTHING in Daniel OR in the Revelation OR in anything that ANY of the apostles EVER said suggests or implies that the 1,290 and 1,335 days will be repeated - which is exactly why there is so much speculation and disagreement about those numbers.
The Revelation speaks only of 42 months or a time, times and a half a time. Nothing else.
You might want to read what I said I believed again, to see if we really have much disagreement at all? It's hard to tell for me. A lot of what you say I agree with.
