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That part is just interpretational problems. Everyone thinks/knows they are right.
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That part is just interpretational problems. Everyone thinks/knows they are right.
EclipseEventSigns
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"just interpretational"? That's pretty much the crux of the whole understanding of the passage.
I am well aware thereof.
Do you think Daniel was referring to a "messiah the prince" other than Christ?
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It is not my silliness that needs to stop. You are being arrogant with your own self importance of being a supposed scholar, because of your research. I too have done years of research, just like many other members on this forum have, but I am not throwing that in everybody's' faces or trying to lord myself over the other members, like you have been doing since joining this forum. It seems to me that you are touting your videos and book in the hope that you will gain some recognition.
Now, previously, I have also suggested that you may have an insight into how the events surrounding the rebuilding of the temple and Jerusalem played out, when the remanent of Israel returned to the Land of Canaan.
Not when the time constraints align themselves.
Jesus is found throughout all of verses 24 through 27 inclusive.
Your view does not comport with Scripture, grammar, history, or logic.
Join your friend the newly assumed expert on this forum.
Examine the evidence, beginning with that of simple grammatical antecedents/referents.
They point to Christ throughout.
EclipseEventSigns
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Are you though? And yet you have never done a word study on the use of the Hebrew words in the passage.
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Post 8 Points of the Ezra 6:14 Challenge
And still no one has the courage to defend their view against the Ezra 6:14 Challenge. At least 8 points have been identified which any interpretation must address in order to honestly interpret the texts in the original Hebrew.
Update: Instead of mocking and using infantile emojis (see the culprit at the bottom of this post), how about showing some mature scholarship that defends your view?
And still no one has the courage to defend their view against the Ezra 6:14 Challenge. At least 8 points have been identified which any interpretation must address in order to honestly interpret the texts in the original Hebrew.
Update: Instead of mocking and using infantile emojis (see the culprit at the bottom of this post), how about showing some mature scholarship that defends your view?
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David in NJ
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Good Morning @covenantee
Englishman's Concordance
nā·ḡîḏ — 19 Occurrences
2 Samuel 6:21
HEB: לְצַוֹּ֨ת אֹתִ֥י נָגִ֛יד עַל־ עַ֥ם
NAS: to appoint me ruler over
KJV: to appoint me ruler over the people
INT: his house to appoint ruler over the people
2 Samuel 7:8
HEB: הַצֹּ֑אן לִֽהְי֣וֹת נָגִ֔יד עַל־ עַמִּ֖י
NAS: the sheep, to be ruler over
KJV: the sheep, to be ruler over my people,
INT: the sheep become to be ruler over my people
1 Kings 1:35
HEB: צִוִּ֙יתִי֙ לִֽהְי֣וֹת נָגִ֔יד עַל־ יִשְׂרָאֵ֖ל
NAS: for I have appointed him to be ruler over
KJV: in my stead: and I have appointed him to be ruler over Israel
INT: have appointed become to be ruler over Israel
1 Kings 14:7
HEB: הָעָ֑ם וָאֶתֶּנְךָ֣ נָגִ֔יד עַ֖ל עַמִּ֥י
NAS: and made you leader over
KJV: and made thee prince over my people
INT: the people and made leader over my people
1 Kings 16:2
HEB: הֶ֣עָפָ֔ר וָאֶתֶּנְךָ֣ נָגִ֔יד עַ֖ל עַמִּ֣י
NAS: and made you leader over
KJV: and made thee prince over my people
INT: the dust and made leader over my people
1 Chronicles 9:20
HEB: בֶּן־ אֶלְעָזָ֗ר נָגִ֨יד הָיָ֧ה עֲלֵיהֶ֛ם
NAS: of Eleazar was ruler over
KJV: of Eleazar was the ruler over them in time past,
INT: the son of Eleazar was ruler become over
1 Chronicles 11:2
HEB: וְאַתָּה֙ תִּהְיֶ֣ה נָגִ֔יד עַ֖ל עַמִּ֥י
NAS: Israel, and you shall be prince over
KJV: Israel, and thou shalt be ruler over my people
INT: you become shall be prince over my people
1 Chronicles 13:1
HEB: וְהַמֵּא֖וֹת לְכָל־ נָגִֽיד׃
NAS: even with every leader.
KJV: and hundreds, [and] with every leader.
INT: and the hundreds every leader
1 Chronicles 17:7
HEB: הַצֹּ֑אן לִהְי֣וֹת נָגִ֔יד עַ֖ל עַמִּ֥י
NAS: the sheep, to be leader over
KJV: the sheep, that thou shouldest be ruler over my people
INT: the sheep become to be leader over my people
1 Chronicles 26:24
HEB: בֶּן־ מֹשֶׁ֔ה נָגִ֖יד עַל־ הָאֹצָרֽוֹת׃
NAS: of Moses, was officer over
KJV: of Moses, [was] ruler of the treasures.
INT: the son of Moses was officer over the treasures
1 Chronicles 27:16
HEB: יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל לָרֽאוּבֵנִ֣י נָגִ֔יד אֱלִיעֶ֖זֶר בֶּן־
NAS: of Israel: chief officer for the Reubenites
KJV: of Israel: the ruler of the Reubenites
INT: of Israel the Reubenites chief was Eliezer the son
2 Chronicles 6:5
HEB: בְאִ֔ישׁ לִהְי֥וֹת נָגִ֖יד עַל־ עַמִּ֥י
NAS: any man for a leader over
KJV: I any man to be a ruler over my people
INT: any become A leader over my people
2 Chronicles 31:12
HEB: בֶּאֱמוּנָ֑ה וַעֲלֵיהֶ֤ם נָגִיד֙ [כֹּונַנְיָהוּ כ]
NAS: the Levite [was] the officer in charge
KJV: the Levite [was] ruler, and Shimei
INT: faithfully charge the officer Conaniah the Levite
Job 31:37
HEB: אַגִּידֶ֑נּוּ כְּמוֹ־ נָ֝גִ֗יד אֲקָרֲבֶֽנּוּ׃
NAS: Like a prince I would approach
KJV: of my steps; as a prince would I go near
INT: declare Like A prince approach
Proverbs 28:16
HEB: נָגִ֗יד חֲסַ֣ר תְּ֭בוּנוֹת
NAS: A leader who is a great oppressor
KJV: The prince that wanteth understanding
INT: A leader lacks understanding
Isaiah 55:4
HEB: לְאוּמִּ֖ים נְתַתִּ֑יו נָגִ֥יד וּמְצַוֵּ֖ה לְאֻמִּֽים׃
NAS: to the peoples, A leader and commander
KJV: to the people, a leader and commander
INT: to the peoples have made A leader and commander the peoples
Jeremiah 20:1
HEB: וְהֽוּא־ פָקִ֥יד נָגִ֖יד בְּבֵ֣ית יְהוָ֑ה
NAS: who was chief officer
KJV: who [was] also chief governor in the house
INT: who officer was chief the house of the LORD
Daniel 9:25
HEB: עַד־ מָשִׁ֣יחַ נָגִ֔יד שָׁבֻעִ֖ים שִׁבְעָ֑ה
NAS: Messiah the Prince [there will be] seven
KJV: unto the Messiah the Prince [shall be] seven
INT: until Messiah the Prince weeks seven
Daniel 9:26
HEB: יַ֠שְׁחִית עַ֣ם נָגִ֤יד הַבָּא֙ וְקִצּ֣וֹ
NAS: and the people of the prince who is to come
KJV: but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come
INT: will destroy and the people of the prince come end
David in NJ
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The 70th week was not put on hold = God's Plan of Redemption continued RIGHT to the Cross for the Jew first and also for the Gentile.
The 70th Week BEGINS with CHRIST's Propitiation for transgression, iniquity and sin = CHRIST Centered
The 70th Week ENDS with the false messiah having his 'short time' and MESSIAH Returning to destroy those who come against Jerusalem.
The 70th Week is CHRIST Centered whereas the 7 year counterfeit covenant/agreement is the short time(3.5 years) given to Antichrist.
In the 70th Week, the only thing put on HOLD is the "revealing of the wicked one" = 2 Thessalonians ch2
And now you know what is restraining, that he may be revealed in his own time.
For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only He who now restrains will do so until He is taken out of the way. And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with the brightness of His coming.
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EclipseEventSigns
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Do you mean your red herring question? That's not the point of the critique of YOUR view. The view that you haven't even attempted to address the Ezra 6:14 Challenge.
EclipseEventSigns
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That's a great start. Now which passages apart from Daniel 9 refer to Jesus in this fashion? None.
David in NJ
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EclipseEventSigns
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Not at all. It's part of the Ezra 6:14 Challenge - for you and others to address.
The first challenge which must be successfully met is that of simple grammar.
It is governed by objective rules, not subjective "views".
You flunk.
EclipseEventSigns
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If you don't consider grammar important, just leave it for those who do.
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