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Daniel's Study Notes In Bible Inaccurate?

Discussion in 'Eschatology & Prophecy Forum' started by Vickie, Jun 14, 2009.

  1. Vickie

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    Would you believe what the bible says over teachings you been taught by study guides ? I thought this might be the place to discuss this area of God's word.While studying the book of Daniel, God showed me where the NIV study notes are incorrect and not to accept them for they were not able to understand what the book says for it is sealed until the time of the END.Daniel 8:26 The vision of the evenings and mornings that has been given to you is true, BUT SEAL UP THE VISION FOR IT CONCERNS THE DISTANT FUTUREDaniel 8:19 He said; "I am going to tell you what will happen later in the TIME OF WRATH, because the VISION CONCERNS THE APPOINTED TIME OF THE END.Daniel 8:17 As he came near the place where I was standing, I was terrified and fell prostrate. "Son of man," he said to me, "understand that the vision concerns the time of the END."God showed these three verses, making sure I understood that this is the time of HIS WRATH that comes at the END of the AGE of Man.This VISION had been SEALED until the appointed time for it to be unsealed.The NIV study notes speak of this time being during Antiochus in 168 BC. This is inaccurate according to God as God wrote these verses concerning their being sealed and it being sealed until the time of the END which brings him back.Now, this has been a eye opener, but God opened the vision recently that we understand what is coming and whose involved. Our Lord had his purpose for this book to remain sealed until the time of the End.Chapter 7-12 concern this whole vision of the End and we are now able to read it and understand it if we remove what has been deception in the books and study guides given to us on these chapters.So, we must believe what our Lord wrote in the very book itself for us. It is not that the God fearing men who wrote the study notes meant harm, it is the fact that God would NOT ALLOW anyone to UNDERSTAND this vision he GAVE Daniel concerning the events, the days, and the morning involved in our Christ coming back. It has been hidden from us even until NOW.This vision Daniel was given is solely on the Last Days of the AGE of man's reign upon the earth, that tells us of Christ's return, and event involving 1335 days, with us not knowing the hour or the day, but the number of Days we are told about.Daniel 12:4 But you, Daniel, CLOSE UP and SEAL the words of the SCROLL UNTIL THE TIME OF THE END. Many will go here and there to increase knowledge.Daniel 12:9 He replied, Go, your way, Daniel, because the WORDS are closed up and sealed until the time of THE END.Daniel 12:11 From the time that the daily sacrifice is abolished and the abomination that causes desolation (2 Thess 2:3-9) is SET UP there will be 1290 days, blessed is the one who waits for and reaches the end of the 1335 days.There is a time element here for us who are Christ's to make it through. We don't know the hour or the Day of his Coming back but these are the words and instructions given to us to help us make it into the last 1335 days which is speaking of a 45 day period that Christ will come back in.All the study notes are inaccurate, not because they didn't love God, but because God has kept the books sealed. And this is where many other parts of the bible concerning the End has been given over to prophecy as Antiochus as it being in his time when it is incorrect.I am not the one who can take any claim in this knowledge, but rather the Lord has opened this seal and is bidding us all to come in to his truth to receive that which He is bringing upon the whole earth that He will be returning for us. AMEN. Our KING Comes.
     
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    I usually make it a good point to stay away from the NIV bible personally.
     
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    Vickie,I haven't openned an NIV for 20 years.But the Books of Daniel and Revelation have been openned up for those with eyes to see and ears to hear.
     
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    If you want to read an inspiring study read the False Profit by Ellis H. Skolfield.Google him and you can get a free download. Its like no other. You will be inspired. He was a Babtist minister and realized he was mis inturpiting Daniel. I am studying myself and have not been abl to put it down.Crooner
     
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    It's the modern assertion from the self-dubbed "higher critics" that books like Daniel and Revelation deal with historical periods. This view is known as Preterism for the most part. It is a blatant disregard for what (as you've highlighted) is written in plain English/Hebrew/Greek.I cannot say that I agree with everything that you say, Vickie, but we can find agreement on the above point.
     
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    It's not so much about the NIV, for it is in the KJV study notes as well. Daniel chapter 8 is notthe history of Alexander against the Jews. It's about the 8th King the beast of Revelation 13-17. Are you aware of this? Study notes by the majority of theologians? It's all right there and it has recently been opened to all of us who are willing to go back and read it and look at what it is saying. The dragon who is thrown down by the Host of Heaven is right in Daniel 8 as the HE GOAT.
     
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    Hi Swampfox. I appreciate your reply. I have been reading Daniel a lot. What I personally did not know was that chapter 8 speaks the same prophecy of the END that Paul speaks in 2 Thess. 2:3-12 and how perfectly they line up with Revelation 12 and 13. This historical view is held by many theologians as the study notes bear this out. How fascinating it is for me, as it must be for all of you, to read this in Daniel 8 and see how it lines up with 2 Thess 2 and Revelations. I love it! God's word is sweet to the soul isn't it? [​IMG] So, you're a futurist?
     
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    I believe that the rapture before the great tribulation is the first harvest that comes with the supper as in the Marriage Supper of the Lamb. Judgment must fall on the House of God first as the falling away from the faith would lead to that. The Lord cannot come back with the saints unless those saints have been presented as faultless to His glory in Heaven.God addressed seven churches in Revelation warning them to be ready as the hour will come to try all on the earth. Those that do not repent of their fornication ( spiritual as well as the physical) will be left behind to go through the great tribulation.The Spirit and the Bride are mentioned in Revelation as giving the call to come to Jesus for once those doors are shut, then judgment has fallen on the House of God as the Lord shall continue to finish His work even in those left behind even though they shall be vessels unto dishonour in His House. He will wipe the tears away from those that come out of the great tribulation as it will take a miracle from God to get them past the loss of their first inheritance, but during the great tribulation, God will work a work in the saints that they will not love their lives even unto death so that He may present every believer to be partakers of His holiness as the Father will scourge every child He receives. Hebrews 12 & 1 Corinthians 3:10-23God did not create the earth to be inhabitted in vain and He did not save in vain. He is able to save the lost.Luke 15:3And he spake this parable unto them, saying, 4What man of you, having an hundred sheep, if he lose one of them, doth not leave the ninety and nine in the wilderness, and go after that which is lost, until he find it? 5And when he hath found it, he layeth it on his shoulders, rejoicing. 6And when he cometh home, he calleth together his friends and neighbours, saying unto them, Rejoice with me; for I have found my sheep which was lost. 7I say unto you, that likewise joy shall be in heaven over one sinner that repenteth, more than over ninety and nine just persons, which need no repentance. 8Either what woman having ten pieces of silver, if she lose one piece, doth not light a candle, and sweep the house, and seek diligently till she find it? 9And when she hath found it, she calleth her friends and her neighbours together, saying, Rejoice with me; for I have found the piece which I had lost. 10Likewise, I say unto you, there is joy in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner that repenteth. 11And he said, A certain man had two sons: 12And the younger of them said to his father, Father, give me the portion of goods that falleth to me. And he divided unto them his living. 13And not many days after the younger son gathered all together, and took his journey into a far country, and there wasted his substance with riotous living. 14And when he had spent all, there arose a mighty famine in that land; and he began to be in want. 15And he went and joined himself to a citizen of that country; and he sent him into his fields to feed swine. 16And he would fain have filled his belly with the husks that the swine did eat: and no man gave unto him. 17And when he came to himself, he said, How many hired servants of my father's have bread enough and to spare, and I perish with hunger! 18I will arise and go to my father, and will say unto him, Father, I have sinned against heaven, and before thee, 19And am no more worthy to be called thy son: make me as one of thy hired servants. 20And he arose, and came to his father. But when he was yet a great way off, his father saw him, and had compassion, and ran, and fell on his neck, and kissed him. 21And the son said unto him, Father, I have sinned against heaven, and in thy sight, and am no more worthy to be called thy son. 22But the father said to his servants, Bring forth the best robe, and put it on him; and put a ring on his hand, and shoes on his feet: 23And bring hither the fatted calf, and kill it; and let us eat, and be merry: 24For this my son was dead, and is alive again; he was lost, and is found. And they began to be merry. Even though the prodigal son missed out on his inheritance, giving up for wild living, he was still son.Is it fair? Look at the difference of being a vessel of honour as to the vessel of dishonour. Look at the loyal son in what the father says to him in verse 31 and so it will not be so for the prodigal son.25Now his elder son was in the field: and as he came and drew nigh to the house, he heard musick and dancing. 26And he called one of the servants, and asked what these things meant. 27And he said unto him, Thy brother is come; and thy father hath killed the fatted calf, because he hath received him safe and sound. 28And he was angry, and would not go in: therefore came his father out, and intreated him. 29And he answering said to his father, Lo, these many years do I serve thee, neither transgressed I at any time thy commandment: and yet thou never gavest me a kid, that I might make merry with my friends: 30But as soon as this thy son was come, which hath devoured thy living with harlots, thou hast killed for him the fatted calf. 31And he said unto him, Son, thou art ever with me, and all that I have is thine. 32It was meet that we should make merry, and be glad: for this thy brother was dead, and is alive again; and was lost, and is found.2 Timothy 2:10Therefore I endure all things for the elect's sakes, that they may also obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory. It is not about obtaining salvation, but obtaining eternal glory with salvation as vessels unto honour.2 Timothy 2:19Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity. 20But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and of silver, but also of wood and of earth; and some to honour, and some to dishonour. 21If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honour, sanctified, and meet for the master's use, and prepared unto every good work. 22Flee also youthful lusts: but follow righteousness, faith, charity, peace, with them that call on the Lord out of a pure heart.
     
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    The rapture is not possible in sections That would make God a respecter of persons. bringing some up from death, or changingsome from earth and not everyone who has been faithful. John 5:28-29 do not be amazed at this, for a time is coming when all who are in their graves will hear his voice and "COME OUT OF THEIR GRAVES"those who have done good will rise to live, and those who have done evil, will rise to be condemned. Pay close attention to those words from Jesus. everyone one gets raised at the same time. Those who have been evil and those who have done good. This is the only way it is done. Not in sections. There is no rapture or no removing of the Saints until the tribulation is finished.3 1/2 yrs of a man in God's temple opposing the Saints. Then Christ will come at some point there after.
     
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    That's okay, but the KJV has many error in it too. Using many translations are good. I am not just a one translation kind of girl... [​IMG]
     
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    Hello Vickie,You stated: There is a time element here for us who are Christ's to make it through. We don't know the hour or the Day of his Coming back but these are the words and instructions given to us to help us make it into the last 1335 days which is speaking of a 45 day period that Christ will come back in.My response: You are very close in your observation. These are instructions for those Christians that will be alive at Christ's advent. However, I believe that the 1335 days coincide with the 1290 days which are part of the first half of the tribulation period. In other words, the 1290 days is the duration of the first half of the tribulation and 45 days later (or 45 days into the Great Tribulation) is the conclusion of the 1335 days. In Yehoshua,Guy SmithYou may be interested in website, just a five minute read.http://www.geocities.com/guysmith123/144000
     
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    Then explain the parable of the foolish virgin and the prodigal son. Explain Christ warninsg against false prophets and how many will not be ready. Explain how judgmjent must fall on the House of Godand why the first inheritance is called the first inheritance.
    Then explain the first resurrection of those that came out of the great tribulation as compared to those that are raised at the end of the 1000 year reign of Christ when Satan and His angels and sin and death are cast into the Lake of Fire.So your verse refers to a time when ALL those in the grace will hear His voice to be judged and that reference is at the end of the 1000 year reign of Christ as Jesus was speaking of His authority to judge everyone.So do ponder the meaning of these verses.Revelation 20:4And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. 6Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.Was it truly the very first resurrection or just the resurrection of those that came out of the great tribulation?Matthew 27: 52And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose, 53And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.But yet Jesus spoke of this time that comes with a sit down and a meal.Luke 13: 27But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity. 28There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out. 29And they shall come from the east, and from the west, and from the north, and from the south, and shall sit down in the kingdom of God.So that first resurrection after his resurrection was not the sit down with the Old Testament saints since Jesus was referring to His appearing when the disciples and those that kept the faith will be taken as a Bride to the Bridechamber.So there are three harvests coming that makes up the Kingdom of God, excluding the one that has occurred already with the Old Testament saints because there is a sit down with them for those that were ready. Matthew 13:33Another parable spake he unto them; The kingdom of heaven is like unto leaven, which a woman took, and hid in three measures of meal, till the whole was leavened.As there are three harvests, then there are three watches and the first one comes with a meal.Luke 12:37Blessed are those servants, whom the lord when he cometh shall find watching: verily I say unto you, that he shall gird himself, and make them to sit down to meat, and will come forth and serve them. 38And if he shall come in the second watch, or come in the third watch, and find them so, blessed are those servants. 39And this know, that if the goodman of the house had known what hour the thief would come, he would have watched, and not have suffered his house to be broken through.That first watch is now as verse 39 is applicable to those that do not watch because they chase after the Holy Spirit when He is already in them. They preach another spirit to receive and thus after the rudiment of the world, they suffer a thief to break through, thus not keeping the faith nor to their first love: Jesus Christ. So seeking another baptism of the Holy Spirit that comes with evidence of tongues and seeking a continual filling of the Spirit or any spiritual formayt that is similar to the one in the world as they seek after spirits to receive as they see it.... is suffering a thief to break through.The second watch would be those going through the great tribulation as in the second harvest. The third watch is at the end of 1000 year reign of Christ when Satan is released from the pit to deceive many, but will be defeated. Those remained loyal to Christ are the third harvest.Many misread the below verses without considering the plurality of the firstfruits in regards to those that are Christ's at His coming. Those that misread thinks firstfruit refers to Christ only, but if so.. why the plurality? And then why differentiate from those aftewards at His coming in regards to every man in his own order? 1 Corinthians 15:22For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 23But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. 24Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. 25For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet. 26The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death. 27For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him. 28And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.In any event, there are 3 harvests coming.. the first to the Bridechamber of the Marriage Supper of the Lamb as judgment must fall on the House of God first since God addressed the seven churches in Revelation or else they would go througth the great tribulation that would be the hour that try all on the earth.Then the second harvest will be at His coming. The Third at the end of the 1000 year reign of Christ when all that are in the grave are raised and judged that day.God is not a respector of person as in holding any person in admiration as in the rich over the poor. He will judge all and reprove every child He receives as judgment must fall on the House of God first.May God cause the increase.
     
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    Hi Guy, the 1335 is including the 1290 days, I believe we are speaking the same thing just saying it a little different, I am still studying it to understand more clearly myself. From the time the animal sacrificing is removed and the man of Perdition enters into the wing of the temple is the 1290 days, the 45 day period which when subtracted to the 1335 days, is a time of much wrath from God and the mystery of God is known and we will witness some very unusual events which are described in the book of Revelation and some of the prophets, a day of darkness and stars falling out of the sky, and the moon blood red, people not being able to sleep and no rest for them, this beast being removed from the temple, there is so much spoken on it. There is this 45 day area that Christ will come in it could be the very last day of the 1335, we don't know, that is why God says we don't know the hour or the day, but the days involved he has told us. Just keep reading and studying for there is a big bloodshed that is coming upon the whole earth here very soon, and those who aren't killed will be taken into captivity. Zech 13:7-9 says this.
     
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    first you need to give me the scriptures of where you see this. The bible speaks one thing all the way through. Men who teach the words of God and have not understood it have taught the things that you speak of. It is not what the bible says in any scripture with clarity....why it is false. What God says is clear in his words and it is just as the Lord speaks it. I know this must be hard for you, but whether you accept it now or not, in a very short time you will see tribulation come upon America Christians being taken into captivity, those who are to go and the others killed.
    Being honest with you, those who are in the 2nd resurrection appear to be those that die during the 1000 yrs reign of Christ that did not live to be over 100 yrs old. Isa. 65:20 speaks of the people who become like the sands of the sea not living out their youth and dying before a hundred will be accursed. What the bible speaks about the 1000 yrs reign in Isiah and other prophets is not what you hear from any minister who teaches you go to heaven.The bible does not speak that but the earth is the inheritance given to Israel, and we have been grafted into that promise. These things are strange to your ears but they are truth. Everyone who has lived upon the earth who has been in a covenant with God is coming up in the first resurrection to be judged, and some will go into a 2nd death that Jerm 8:1-20 speaks of concerning those who have been called by God. It is not possible to give you a complete new teaching from what you've been taught, but God has not called the entire earth as some preach. The Sword he uses against his chosen ones are not called into Christ and can not be, but God is not forgetful towards them as he speaks about this in his word. Something very few have understood about God.
    Not those John 5:28-29 speaks of is all who have entered into a covenant under Moses and under Christ are coming up to be judged to be in the kingdom those who have been awarded that gift by God for He judges whether they have understood and he knows their hearts and deeds. The rest will not come up till the 2nd resurrection, those who have not been called except for the few who are invited in from off the streets because the ones he called did not respond to him for they were too busy in their lives and will be cast into hell fire at his coming. The parable of the seeds speak about these who had the holy spirit given to them and they did not overcome.
    you asked about the 2nd resurrection and who is in it, just as I said a few quotes back, the earth's people that are called the "rest of the Dead", those not called by Christ. Satan has deluded the words of God through many false teachers. The bible speaks about the only ones going through the tribulation is the Christians and the Jews, the only one's to be resurrected and judged are the called chosen, and the faithful, along with those who were not faithful, the rest of the dead stay dead until the 1000 yrs are over and will be raised as verse 5 says to be judged for their deeds. This is very clear in these verses who stays and who gets resurrected when. It just doesn't go with the teaching the world has to be saved now, which is not the gospel, because there is a number of the Gentiles that are called in to replace those who have been cast out that were Jews. Roman 11:25-27 till the full number of the Gentiles come in. See, this says not all are called, but only a certain number will make it into the kingdom that are Gentiles. The bible speaks so much to us, but many false teachers have come and spoken things and taken the sheep astray, but God will bring in those who have a good heart and have listened to his voice and know him. And these are numbered just as Romans 11:25 says.
    this resurrection is not the promised resurrection as thesepeople did not receive eternal life and reign upon the earth for eternity. This is were many who have taught false teachings did not know orunderstand the resurrection that comes at Jesus' coming is one that gives eternal life. Many were resurrected back to a physical life, such as Lazarus, the man who fell down off the 2nd level while Paul was teaching, the army commanders slave, there are so many that were given live again to live out their natural life here, none of these received the promise just as Hebrews 11:39 says they did not receive the promise.
    This quote in Luke is the promise that is coming this event has not happened yet. Because the prophets, nor Abraham or the rest have been raised yet, they are waiting for the Lord to come, when Jesus does come, many will be cast out just as Jesus prophesies this to happen it will. The parable of the virgins is scary. It is a parable concerning those who will not be raised to enter into the kingdom of God when he comes and will be sent back into the city to wait for the 2nd death. Jermiah 8:1-20 a time when they have their flesh come back on only to face the wrath of God and be destroyed. Half of who profess God will be lost.
    Many are beginning to see they have not understood Daniel, God sealed it till the end was nearing. He has opened it now and we are heading into times not one person on this earth has really understood until now. And praise be to our Lord for his powers and force that will be upon us to bring many sons to glory through this time we are entering into. Be strong in the Lord and of good courage for He has sent this tribulation and will send His Son to capture the beast and false prophet who will devastate this earth as never has been and will restore it with his chosen called and faithful servants who serve the Christ and his Father and love them.
     
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    With all due respect, this is one small statement I am not going to let this go unchallenged. Where on scriptures where it says that a soul can die on it's own due to age? Nobody (soul) on this planet can die on it's own. Nobody (person) can kill a soul.There will be people dying AFTER the Millennium Reign. Only God, the Creator, can kill a soul. (Ezekiel 18:4,20, Ezekiel 28:18, Matthew 10:28) It will happen on Judgment Day. (Revelation 20:11-14) You won't find a single scripture anywhere where it says God will allow someone to die at the Millennium Reign.
     
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    And yet during this time, people will be buying and selling, marrying and given in marriage which nary a thought to the oppression of the mark of the beast causing many of the saints to be slain for they cannot buy nor sell thus starve and die from thirst and from the elements. These are the saints that love not their lives unto death and yet the warning is given to believers that while they are buying and selling.... marrying and given in marriage, that time of Christ apearing.... not His actual coming... is what is going to catch many off guard and found not abiding in Him.
    Then who were they?Matthew 27: 52And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose, 53And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.I cannot see Abraham, the prophets, nor the rest not being raised. Seems to me they are waiting for the ones Christ has redeemed and chosen to come to the Marriage Supper to me.You may find your reading and applying the scriptures challenged, but as you encourage others not to be discouraged, then lean on Jesus to take your own advise in the reading and applying of His Words for discernment and understanding as all wisdom comes from the Lord.
     
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    Matthew 7:13-27 & Luke 13:24-30 speaks of false prophets leading many astray that will not be ready for the marriage supper. This is directed towards believers... not the world as a warning to be keeping the faith and abiding in Him in heeding His sayings and doing them by His grace.The parable of the foolish virgin is oosted below : Now remember the House of God will have vessels of dishonour as well as honour so do note the very first verse as saying what the kingdom of heaven is made up of. They get left out for not being ready, but yet then they will be shining as a witness of Him and still a part of the House of God as well as the kingdom of heaven.Matthew 5: 1Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom. 2And five of them were wise, and five were foolish. 3They that were foolish took their lamps, and took no oil with them: 4But the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps. 5While the bridegroom tarried, they all slumbered and slept. 6And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him. 7Then all those virgins arose, and trimmed their lamps. 8And the foolish said unto the wise, Give us of your oil; for our lamps are gone out. 9But the wise answered, saying, Not so; lest there be not enough for us and you: but go ye rather to them that sell, and buy for yourselves. 10And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut. 11Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us. 12But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not. 13Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.Thus the necessity of the rapture to seperate the wheat from the tares as the wheat are taken into his barn while the tares are burned up as 1 Corinthians 3:10-23 & Hebrews 12:1-29 would depict this process on wayward believers and why the call to be found ready and abiding in Him is given now.2 Timothy 2: 19Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity. 20But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and of silver, but also of wood and of earth; and some to honour, and some to dishonour. 21If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honour, sanctified, and meet for the master's use, and prepared unto every good work. 22Flee also youthful lusts: but follow righteousness, faith, charity, peace, with them that call on the Lord out of a pure heart. The parable of the prodigal son is located here: Luke 15:11-32 By His grace, one can see the purpose of the great tribulation as restoring the wayward believers to the path of righteousness for His name's sake. Luke 15:3-6
     
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    Pariah your reasoning is not that of scripture but the arrogance of men your conclusions are strickly yours and not Gods The tribulation and its delusion comes upon the World not Christians alone .. God loves all his Children not just Christians and all will be tested and refined in his fire ... by chosing the real Christ or the fake christ that is the serperating of wheat from chaff not your mans idea of just seperating a few believers with a Rapture thats never written ... Nothing you have concluded is Gods Word but your own speculation
     
  19. Pariah

    Pariah New Member

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    Matthew 7:13-27 & Luke 13:24-30 is a warning to believers about false prophets. Yes or no?
    They are not His children, per se, if they are sinners unreconciled to God.1 John 3: 7Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous. 8He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. 9Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.Romans 8: 8So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God. 9But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. 10And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
    To be refined means to be His. Therefore those that believe but has gone astray are those needing the refiner's fire. Those that seek another baptism of the Holy Spirit that comes with evidence of tongues are doing so after the spirit of the anti-christ for we both know that is not the Holy Spirit they are chasing after.1 John 2:18Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time. 19They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us. 20But ye have an unction from the Holy One, and ye know all things. 21I have not written unto you because ye know not the truth, but because ye know it, and that no lie is of the truth.Many will blur the lines in saying Jesus is the Christ aka the Spirit is Christ then it is okay to go after the Holy Spirit, call on the name of the Holy Spirit, and exalt the name of the Holy Spirit above every other name... including Jesus' name because the Spirit is Christ. In that sense... NOT!! Below the following verses depict such run around thinking that the Spirit is the Christ as seperate from the Father and the Son and by denying the Son, they are denying the Father. By denying He is in us as promised... by denying by works that Jesus has bought us.. reliving Pentecost over and over again, they are denying the Son by what He has done. This is why the foolish virgins were at the market to get the extra oil for their lamps because they were bearing false witness that they were never filled, sealed, and thus saved as His. They became witnesses of something else and not of Jesus Christ.1 John 2:22Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. 23Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also. 24Let that therefore abide in you, which ye have heard from the beginning. If that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father.That which you heard from the beginning so there is no other baptism of the Holy Spirit that comes with evidence of tongues for believers to be seeking after a sign for.1 John 2:25And this is the promise that he hath promised us, even eternal life. 26These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you. 27But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him. 28And now, little children, abide in him; that, when he shall appear, we may have confidence, and not be ashamed before him at his coming. 29If ye know that he is righteous, ye know that every one that doeth righteousness is born of him.
    I can say the same thing about the Serpent's Seed doctrine and the First Earth Age and point to man having that similar thinking as in Greek mythology and Norse mythology, BUT you cannot point to anything pertaining to the rapture outside the christian circle to say that it is of man, can you? Does that give you pause, by His grace?
     
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    read Isa 65:20 is the verse that speaks of some will thought to be accursed if they die before 100 yrs DURING the MILLENNIUM. This is not the CALLED CHOSEN AND FAITHFUL but rather the offspring that was made holy for God says he will replenish the earth's people as the sand of the sea, that means reproduction will be taking place with all the descendants and off spring and those who were invited in off the streets because the others where to busy doing their own thing when God came and where not ready. There is much written about it through out the bible. The only ones that don't reproduce are those born into the kingdom of God at his coming, but there are definitely others mentioned like these in Isaiah 65:20 and the child that will lay down with the lion, etc. If you give it some thought and ask yourself, how will the earth's people become like the sand of the seas, if there isn't reproduction going on?
    That right, some people will be cast into the lake of fire at the 2nd resurrection. It's multi facet and it is in the bible with verses that speak of these coming into the kingdom and the reproduction that has to take place because God says they will multiply and cover the earth like the sands of the seas. Jer 33:22 As the host of heaven cannot be numbered, neither the sand of the sea measured: so will I multiply the seed of David my servant, and the Levites that minister unto me. Hos 1:10 Yet the number of the children of Israel shall be as the sand of the sea, which cannot be measured nor numbered; and it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people, there it shall be said unto them, Ye are the sons of the living God. Don't forget that God and Magog 1/6 is left to multiply as the sand of the sea also to come against Jerusalem at the end of the 1000 yrs. reign. They have not been given eternal life either, Ezek 39:2 It all in the bible.
    I love 1John 2:25 the great encouragement that we need not a man to teach us anything, the holy spirit will teach us all things, and the New High Priest is all we have need of for it is his voice we who are his hear. How I love God's words.
     
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