The abiding presence of the Lord has drawn near. Interestingly, "has drawn near" is the Perfect Tense. The Lord's presence has become near, and isn't going to stop being near.
Even so, no timeline.
David Wilkerson's "The Vision"
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The abiding presence of the Lord has drawn near. Interestingly, "has drawn near" is the Perfect Tense. The Lord's presence has become near, and isn't going to stop being near.
Even so, no timeline.
Marks, for the fourth time, answer the bloody question. Why are you pestering me if you have no intentions of answering my questions?
@Hidden In Him ,
You've shifted the discussion away from DW's Vision, and onto interpretation of Biblical prophecy.
Do you truly believe that the Apostles who penned the New Testament prophesied that Jesus was returning in their lifetimes? If you do, how do you square this with the fact that Jesus did not?
Or is it just that you want to apply the same standard to the Bible that you apply to DW? Well . . . Paul said Jesus was coming in his life, and he didn't, so what's the big deal about DW? Is that it?
You've shifted the discussion away from DW's Vision, and onto interpretation of Biblical prophecy.
Do you truly believe that the Apostles who penned the New Testament prophesied that Jesus was returning in their lifetimes? If you do, how do you square this with the fact that Jesus did not?
Or is it just that you want to apply the same standard to the Bible that you apply to DW? Well . . . Paul said Jesus was coming in his life, and he didn't, so what's the big deal about DW? Is that it?
HIH, there were some in the church who panicked, too, that maybe the day of the Lord had already come. So yes, I think they looked for it at any time.
No, marks. You've deliberately dodged the question five times in a row now.
No hard feelings. Have a good day, man.
Hidden
The apostles did not write that Jesus was returning in a few years, this year, next year, in their lifetimes, within the next century, nothing like that. If they had they would have been guilty of the same error as DW, in giving timing that was not fulfilled.
Yes, Ma'am. :)
I once thought as marks did as well, until I eventually set aside my assumptions and starting looking at the verses closely, and realized what they were actually saying. I don't regard the NT apostles as being "false apostles" or false prophets simply because they were interpreting the end of all things to be coming in their time. As I said, it was for the church's benefit that they NOT know His return was 2,000 years away. If He had told them, "Be vigilant and remain steadfast against all persecution and opposition, for I am returning... 2,000 years from now," it might not have been the best thing to say in that context, LoL.
When they Did go around saying, "It's happening! It's happening!", what did God tell them?
2 Thessalonians 2
2 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
Some things to happen first . . .
2 Thessalonians 2
2 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
Some things to happen first . . .
Prophecy, again, does not come from any private interpretation, which is to say, the prophet's interpretation.
I believe that God inspired the writing of the New Testament, and it's words do not reflect the opinions of the writers, rather, they are truth from God.
You've interpreted the prophecies as indicating Jesus coming within their lifetimes, but it doesn't say that, and it didn't happen, and so no, they are not false.
You've ascribed their supposed teaching of Jesus' return within some set time as just their erroneous opinions. Are you thinking that this is the sort of thing the Bible is comprised of? Men's erroneous opinions?
I don't think so.
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