Day of the Lord - Introduction

[Timtofly]

My goodness, it is comical the lengths you people will go to in twisting and stretching and completely fabricating scripture to fit your False Doctrines.

Psalm 90:4

A watch in the night is a 3 hour period of time. There are 4 watches in the night. 6pm-9pm is the 1st. 9-12 the 2nd. 12-3 the 3rd and 3-6 the 4th.

A thousand years in God's sight is as a day that has just gone by, OR EVEN as a 3-hour watch in the night. MEANING: it is a short period of time because God does not exist within time. He created time, space and matter. Thus, He exists outside of it in a purely spiritual dimension. He cannot exist inside something that did not exist at one time.

Here, again. Day means Day.

Wow, even humans do not have to work 12 hours of daylight. They break it down into 6 hour shifts, and some even work only one hour, prior to sunset. I suppose you meant a day could be as short as 1 hour of daylight, and 3 hours of watch equal to a literal 4 hours only.

The psalmist was not being a literalist pointing to exact word definitions. The psalmist was using the general point of evening and morning according to the standard usage of the time. He was then comparing how humans viewed a day to how the Lord's Day was a literal 1000 years to humans.

Your erroneous point is being specific about the exactness of a 24 hour day. That was never the point of the psalmist as you succinctly pointed out. A literal day was 12 hours and a literal watch 3 hours, so that is not the point out all. The Day and watch in the night part was the symbolism. The Day of the Lord is the symbolism.

Many turn that on it's head calling the 1,000 the symbolism to explain God is outside of time. Duh!

The Holy Spirit is bringing God into the literal, by pointing out the 1,000 years is the literal point the symbolism is being applied to. God rested for 1,000 years in the Day of the Lord in Genesis 2. The rest was a literal 1,000 years. The coming reign of Christ the Prince will be a literal 1,000 years of Jesus reigning. God will insert Himself into history for 1,000 years. The point is not to point out the obvious. The point is to state God puts up with sin for 6000 years.

 

[GEN2REV]

The psalmist was not being a literalist pointing to exact word definitions. The psalmist was using the general point of evening and morning according to the standard usage of the time. He was then comparing how humans viewed a day to how the Lord's Day was a literal 1000 years to humans.

Wrong.

Night watch, and watches in the night, are a very old concept that date back to antiquity. Those who watched over the Tribes' safety throughout the night had shifts that they worked. Shepherds who watched their flock in the night used the term to communicate about periods of night. There were also those who started the day's hour count around dawn, at the end of the Fourth Watch (~6am). They were always specific amounts of time. 3 hours.

Psalms 63:6
Psalms 90:4
Psalms 119:148
Isaiah 21:11-12
Lamentations 2:19
*Matthew 14:25*
*Mark 6:48*
Luke 2:8

 

[Timtofly]

Pay close attention:
Matthew 24:29
-Immediately After Great Trib
-*Sun darkened
-*Moon darkened/light changed
-*Stars fall from heaven
Revelation 6:12-13
-SIXTH SEAL is opened!(AFTER GREAT TRIB)
-Great Earthquake
-*Sun darkened
-*Moon darkened/light changed to "as blood" color
-*Stars fall from heaven

These very specific events will not happen at two different points in history, Keraz. They happen only once and they happen AFTER the Great Tribulation - just exactly as scripture says they do.

Matthew 24:29

"Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:"

It does not say:

"Immediately after the GT shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:"

Jesus is actually going in reverse order. Since most claim Revelation is not chronological, perhaps it is the other way around and the OD is not chronological. Jesus does not break it down for us in alliterations of 7s, does He?

Jesus already declared the end, but did not start over at any particular beginning. The end is verse 14:

"And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come."

Anything after verse 14 is prior to the end. It is definitely not after the end. Revelation 14:6-7

"And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people, Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters."

So the end is still after or at this point in Revelation. Although not much left but the winepress ending all of humanity as we know it. The rest of the chapter is the end.

"And the angel thrust in his sickle into the earth, and gathered the vine of the earth, and cast it into the great winepress of the wrath of God. And the winepress was trodden without the city, and blood came out of the winepress, even unto the horse bridles, by the space of a thousand and six hundred furlongs."

Yet even John goes on with 15-19 into specific or symbolic descriptions of this end. So many just default to a stance Revelation is not chronological, and we need the OD to straighten it all out for us.

Back to Jesus to see what happened just before the end. It was not the Second Coming, in the next verse, so the end is not at the Second Coming. What Jesus declares is:

"When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand) . Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains: Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house: Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes. And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days! But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:"

We have a long line of thoughts ending with colons. In fact some think this is going all the way back to 70AD.

Or it could be an event just prior to the end.

We have a parenthetical plopped down in the midst of this narrative by Jesus. (whoso readeth, let him understand) . So is this a warning to the hearers about 70AD or for those reading the Scriptures for the next 1900+ years?

Some say comparing Luke's version and the historical record it has to be 70AD. Except that those reading it after 70AD would have no literal future application, and the fact was pointed out that only those reading would understand.

Is it because they can look back on history? Not exactly. The end is still not until the angel declares the final gospel in Revelation 14. Because the gospel is still ongoing, is the only reason why the end was not in 70AD. So readers should at least understand that much.

The last thing before the end is the AoD. Does Revelation 15 - 19 confirm that? Yes it does, because no tribulation happens after chapter 15. Chapter 15 and16 covers the 7 vials. Not tribulation, but God's wrath. Still part of the winepress. Chapter 17: the judgment of the great whore. Chapter 18: Babylon the great is fallen. Still judgment and winepress of the end. That leaves Revelation 19, the assumed Second Coming. This is not what Jesus described in the OD. John has deliberated the end with 6 chapters.

So we are left to look back at Revelation 13. Bingo! We have an AoD. So John gives us an AoD in Revelation 13 followed by 6 chapters of a deliberated end. The first thing before the end in Revelation is the AoD. So let the those reading Matthew 24 understand in light of Revelation 13 to 19.

What happens prior to the AoD in Revelation 13?

We have 7 Seals, 7 Trumpets, and 7 Thunders. After Matthew 24:20, we go back to the narrative:

"For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened. Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not. For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. Behold, I have told you before. Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not. For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together."

Explain to me why Christ the Prince cannot be present during this time? Were there not many false christ and prophets during the first century while Jesus walked the earth prior to the Cross? Even the rebellion prior to 70AD brought out many false messiahs no doubt. Many like to point out historical facts to prove the end already happened, and yet they were already happening while Jesus and John the Baptist were also doing their God called ministry. Why is there a disconnect in the point this will all happen again after the Second Coming? Yes, even after the Second Coming there will be great tribulation and false prophets and false christs. So the Trumpets and Thunders do not default to a period prior to the Second Coming. They can just as easily be the greatest period of tribulation ever and still be after the Second Coming and definitely prior to chapter 13 and the AoD. There is nothing in Matthew 24 were Jesus specifies a correct order or indicates certain things have to happen first. We see the words "when", "for then shall be", and "Immediately after", yet that does not conclude an order.

The Second Coming is going to bring an immediate stop to the church on earth. So Immediately after the trouble the church has faced, during the last 1990+ years, is true about the Second Coming. Jesus was not lying.

"Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory."

Does this happen before this:

"Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh: So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors. Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled. And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other."

If we go by this order, we get the AoD happens first, the GT next, the Second Coming, and last of all Israel becomes a Nation. If this is a fact, we already skipped the first 3 facts and Israel is a Nation. So nothing is left according to this logic. There will be no Second Coming, GT, nor AoD. We are at the last step before the end. Unless of course it is in the reverse order. Or you do not factor the fig tree in at all?

After verse 35 Jesus is just comparing past historical events. The order of how the end is worked out, over. If you reject the fact the fig tree is part of that order, you really have no signs except the actual Second Coming. Waiting for an AoD or GT to happen first is futile. The point is not to give the day and hour, but the end was still declared and some events pointed out.

Obviously John in Revelation does not specify the Second Coming either. To the point where many claim their own chronological order, and claim Revelation has no order to it at all.

 

[GEN2REV]

The Sixth Seal event will kill the Muslims, the Gog attack will kill huge numbers from the North. Then the Great Tribulation will kill the rest of the ungodly peoples, culminating with Armageddon. Revelation 16:13-21
Only righteous, faithful Christian peoples will go into the Millennium with Jesus.

It is only after the Millennium, when Satan is released, that some people will again fall for his deceit and will attack Jesus. They will be instantly cremated. Revelation 20:7-9

Ok. It's high time for all this silliness about Revelation correcting all other scripture to come an end, Keraz.

Revelation does not verify or define the rest of scripture. Quite the opposite. The book of Revelation is a book completely submerged in Vision and Symbolism. NOT literal at all. Matthew 24:29-30, and all the verses that coincide with it, are descriptions given of the end times in a linear, literal fashion. NOT given in the spirit or to be taken as vision and symbolism as the book of Revelation is clearly stated to be.

The very intro in the KJV reads, " ... Revelation centers around visions and symbols, of the resurrected Christ, ..."

It goes on to further discount one of your claims that the world will NOT be destroyed at Christ's coming, or the Day of the Lord Wrath of God.

"... Christ, who alone has authority to judge the earth, to remake it, and to rule it in righteousness."

Do you see that? Christ, Himself, judges the earth (Christ returning and the Wrath of God happening immediately which destroys all of the earth), then remakes it (new heaven and a new earth), THEN He rules it.

John himself states multiple times that he is in the spirit during this entire book's narration. Revelation 1:10; Revelation 4:2; and I'm certain there is an additional reference somewhere else in the book.

And if you DO still insist on claiming it is to be taken in a linear, literal translation, you'd better get to work on explaining how all time comes to an end at Revelation 10:6.

 

[GEN2REV]

Matthew 24:29

"Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:"

It does not say:

"Immediately after the GT shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:"

Jesus is actually going in reverse order. Since most claim Revelation is not chronological, perhaps it is the other way around and the OD is not chronological. Jesus does not break it down for us in alliterations of 7s, does He?

Jesus already declared the end, but did not start over at any particular beginning. The end is verse 14:

"And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come."

Anything after verse 14 is prior to the end. It is definitely not after the end. Revelation 14:6-7

"And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people, Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters."

So the end is still after or at this point in Revelation. Although not much left but the winepress ending all of humanity as we know it. The rest of the chapter is the end.

Wrong.

When Jesus gave the Olivet Discourse live in person, He was not speaking things out of order. He is not the author of confusion. Also, the book of Revelation is very clear that it is all about vision and symbolism. John himself states that he is in the spirit for the entirety of the book's descriptions of visions and symbols. Revelation 1:10; Revelation 4:2 as well as at least one more verse somewhere therein.

The very intro makes it clear for all to see and also gives the order of events so there is no argument to be made: "... Revelation centers around visions and symbols of the resurrected Christ, who alone has authority to judge the earth, to remake it, and to rule it in righteousness."

To judge it immediately upon His return, (Day of the Lord Wrath of God)
to remake it, (new heaven and new earth after total destruction)
and to rule it.

If you would like to declare Revelation linear and literal, explain Revelation 10:6 which states that all time stops from that point forward. "... that there should be time no longer." KJV

 

[Truth7t7]

Wrong.

When Jesus gave the Olivet Discourse live in person, He was not speaking things out of order. He is not the author of confusion. Also, the book of Revelation is very clear that it is all about vision and symbolism. John himself states that he is in the spirit for the entirety of the book's descriptions of visions and symbols. Revelation 1:10; Revelation 4:2 as well as at least one more verse somewhere therein.

The very intro makes it clear for all to see and also gives the order of events so there is no argument to be made: "... Revelation centers around visions and symbols of the resurrected Christ, who alone has authority to judge the earth, to remake it, and to rule it in righteousness."

To judge it immediately upon His return, (Day of the Lord Wrath of God)
to remake it, (new heaven and new earth after total destruction)
and to rule it.

If you would like to declare Revelation linear and literal, explain Revelation 10:6 which states that all time stops from that point forward. "... that there should be time no longer." KJV

Sorta like the world ends at the 7th Trump in Revelation 11:15 as seen below

These dispy's want to teach the book of Revelation is taught in chronological order, real big smiles!

The book of Revelation is taught in parallel teachings of same events

The main reason dispy's and Millennialist teach its chronological is to make room for Armageddon, a thousand year reign, and another battle in Gog/Magog

Reality is the battle seen in Revelation chapter 16, 19, 20, is all the same event in the second coming, they need to separate this battle to allow for their fairy tale Millennium on this earth, that will never take place "Deception"

The main stream dispy teaching on the Millennial Kingdom is, Jesus returns in a physical body and takes a literal throne of David in Jerusalem?

Yes this is going to be the walk on (Man Of Sin/Antichrist) "Beware"

The 7th Trump/Angel sounding ushers in the final judgement (The End)

Revelation 11:15-18KJV

15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
16 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God,
17 Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.
18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

 

[GEN2REV]

The main reason dispy's and Millennialist teach its chronological is to make room for Armageddon, a thousand year reign, and another battle in Gog/Magog

To be honest, I believe the real reason for this position is to create a foundation for Pre-Trib Rapture.

See, without all this other nonsense, the Pre-Trib doesn't have a leg to stand upon. Ever heard the saying how it takes many lies to support one lie? If you tell one untruth about your day, for instance, you have to make up all kinds of other lies to support that possibility. Because everything is connected in our reality, you have to completely alter many things to support one single untruth.

The Bible is no different, it is all connected. Which, in my opinion, is one if its greatest proofs of significance.

If you want to create one false doctrine in scripture, you must alter many others to give it any ground to stand upon.

This also shows just how important Pre-Trib false doctrine is to the enemy and all his agendas. It is PARAMOUNT to the vast acquisition of souls who will be lost at the hands of this one false doctrine alone.

 

[Truth7t7]

To be honest, I believe the real reason for this position is to create a foundation for Pre-Trib Rapture.

See, without all this other nonsense, the Pre-Trib doesn't have a leg to stand upon. Ever heard the saying how it takes many lies to support one lie? If you tell one untruth about your day, for instance, you have to make up all kinds of other lies to support that possibility. Because everything is connected in our reality, you have to completely alter many things to support one single untruth.

The Bible is no different, it is all connected. Which, in my opinion, is one if its greatest proofs of significance.

If you want to create one false doctrine in scripture, you must alter many others to give it any ground to stand upon.

This also shows just how important Pre-Trib false doctrine is to the enemy and all his agendas. It is PARAMOUNT to the vast acquisition of souls who will be lost at the hands of this one false doctrine alone.

I fully agree, however I believe the teaching of a Millennial Kingdom on earth, with a physical returned Jesus sitting on a throne if David in Jerusalem is going to be much greater in deception, paving the way for the Antichrist as seen in Revelation chapter 13

A pre-trib rapture, so what if everybody misses the space ship, no biggie in my opinion

Having a physical walk on christ taking a throne in Jerusalem, prepared by Millennialist teaching is "Major Deception" with the thought of taking the mark and worshipping the image by this deception?

 

[Timtofly]

If you would like to declare Revelation linear and literal, explain Revelation 10:6 which states that all time stops from that point forward. "... that there should be time no longer." KJV

Time is up for Daniel's 70th week. You do not get to declare that over in the first century. That clock is still ticking.

"But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets."

Daniel's mystery is what time is up. The 7th Trumpet brings the 70th week to a close.

Revelation is literally telling us when the hidden mystery of Daniel will be fulfilled.

I guess that means to you, just being as clear as mud.

 

[Timtofly]

To be honest, I believe the real reason for this position is to create a foundation for Pre-Trib Rapture.

See, without all this other nonsense, the Pre-Trib doesn't have a leg to stand upon. Ever heard the saying how it takes many lies to support one lie? If you tell one untruth about your day, for instance, you have to make up all kinds of other lies to support that possibility. Because everything is connected in our reality, you have to completely alter many things to support one single untruth.

The Bible is no different, it is all connected. Which, in my opinion, is one if its greatest proofs of significance.

If you want to create one false doctrine in scripture, you must alter many others to give it any ground to stand upon.

This also shows just how important Pre-Trib false doctrine is to the enemy and all his agendas. It is PARAMOUNT to the vast acquisition of souls who will be lost at the hands of this one false doctrine alone.

So you deny the 1000 year reign of Christ as well?

How do you cover up that lie?

 

[GEN2REV]

I fully agree, however I believe the teaching of a Millennial Kingdom on earth, with a physical returned Jesus sitting on a throne if David in Jerusalem is going to be much greater in deception, paving the way for the Antichrist as seen in Revelation chapter 13

A pre-trib rapture, so what if everybody misses the space ship, no biggie in my opinion

Having a physical walk on christ taking a throne in Jerusalem, prepared by Millennialist teaching is "Major Deception" with the thought of taking the mark and worshipping the image by this deception?

Actually, I think you've helped me to put together what that angle is all about. I have been trying to understand what the purpose is of that hard push for that doctrine that doesn't line up with anything else in scripture. Referring to the Millennium, of course.

Very interesting.

 

[GEN2REV]

Revelation is literally telling us when the hidden mystery of Daniel will be fulfilled.

Revelation tells us almost nothing literally.

 

[GEN2REV]

So you deny the 1000 year reign of Christ as well?

How do you cover up that lie?

If it's a viable concept, there will be scripture somewhere other than Revelation to back it up.

Can you produce that so that it can be addressed?

 

[Keraz]

Revelation does not verify or define the rest of scripture. Quite the opposite. The book of Revelation is a book completely submerged in Vision and Symbolism. NOT literal at all

This belief is the main reason for the confusion and error about what God has planned for His people in the end times.
Revelation, Daniel and all the other prophesies tell about actual, physical people and events, soon to happen on earth.
We have been told and to just throw it all into the 'Spiritualized' bin is serious error and just leaves you in the dark.

There are, of course; some allegories, recaps and things which require discernment to understand.

Jesus WILL Return in His glory and WILL reign as King of Kings and Lord of Lords for His reward. It WILL be for the thousand years as clearly stated in Revelation 20:1-7 and the peoples will come annually to Jerusalem to worship Him in the new Temple. Zechariah 14:16-21

Having a physical walk on christ taking a throne in Jerusalem, prepared by Millennialist teaching is "Major Deception" with the thought of taking the mark and worshipping the image by this deception?

This WILL happen; the leader of the One World Govt, Daniel 7:23-25, will conquer the holy people, Revelation 13:5-8, Zechariah 14:1-2, and WILL sit in the Temple, declaring himself to be God. 2 Thess 2:4

But we Christians, who know our Bibles and who study and understand the Prophetic Word, should not be in the dark about this, 1 Thessalonians 5:4-6, and will refuse to take the Mark of the beast.

Daniel's mystery is what time is up. The 7th Trumpet brings the 70th week to a close.

The 70th 'week', is the final seven years of this age. It culminates with the 7th Bowl, Revelation 16:16-18, and then the glorious Return of King Jesus. Revelation 19:11-21

 

[Keraz]

If it's a viable concept, there will be scripture somewhere other than Revelation to back it up.

Can you produce that so that it can be addressed?

Hosea 6:2 prophesies the 2000 year Christian age, our revival, then the 1000 years when we will live in His sight.
The formula for a day in heaven, being the equal to 1000 years earth time, is in: Psalms 90:4 and 2 Peter 3:8

There is also the prophecy of Jesus in Luke 13:32, where He says: Today and tomorrow I shall be working...and the next day I shall come into My reward.
He then says: Nevertheless, [notwithstanding, or in spite of this...] I must go on today and tomorrow and the following day, for I must perish in Jerusalem. Luke 13:33
Jesus is NOT talking about the same time periods in both of these verses. If people like to think that; they make Him to be rather confused and unnecessarily repetitive.
No; He Prophesied in verse 32, how He will work for the Christian age of 2000 years. Now at 1991 years since He said that. Jesus does answer prayers, He does cure some people, He does appear to those who cry out to Him, etc.

The 'next day' is Gods reward to Jesus for His sacrifice, His reign over the world for the next thousand years, Psalms 2:7-9 Revelation 20:1-7 backs these scriptures up!
The AMill belief is illogical and unscriptural. It is a lie that denies Jesus His reward.

 

[GEN2REV]

This belief is the main reason for the confusion and error about what God has planned for His people in the end times.
...
We have been told and to just throw it all into the 'Spiritualized' bin is serious error and just leaves you in the dark.

No, it isn't ALL thrown into that bin. Just the scripture that is clearly designated as such. Jesus wasn't "in the spirit" when He gave the Olivet Discourse, nor do the prophets state that they were "in the spirit" when they gave their versions of events.

Revelation, as I plainly showed, is a book based specifically on visions and symbolism. And most scholars, if they're being honest, will admit that.

The irony is that many of those who are using Revelation to support your millennium position now, will claim it is only symbolic if we use it to support some other doctrine they don't like.

When it suits them, Revelation is literal and linear.

 

[Timtofly]

If it's a viable concept, there will be scripture somewhere other than Revelation to back it up.

Can you produce that so that it can be addressed?

Can you provide Scripture that states the time between the Cross and the Second Coming would be 2000 years?

It is viable concept, there should be Scripture to verify any time length.

 

[Timtofly]

Hosea 6:2 prophesies the 2000 year Christian age, our revival, then the 1000 years when we will live in His sight.
The formula for a day in heaven, being the equal to 1000 years earth time, is in: Psalms 90:4 and 2 Peter 3:8

There is also the prophecy of Jesus in Luke 13:32, where He says: Today and tomorrow I shall be working...and the next day I shall come into My reward.
He then says: Nevertheless, [notwithstanding, or in spite of this...] I must go on today and tomorrow and the following day, for I must perish in Jerusalem. Luke 13:33
Jesus is NOT talking about the same time periods in both of these verses. If people like to think that; they make Him to be rather confused and unnecessarily repetitive.
No; He Prophesied in verse 32, how He will work for the Christian age of 2000 years. Now at 1991 years since He said that. Jesus does answer prayers, He does cure some people, He does appear to those who cry out to Him, etc.

The 'next day' is Gods reward to Jesus for His sacrifice, His reign over the world for the next thousand years, Psalms 2:7-9 Revelation 20:1-7 backs these scriptures up!
The AMill belief is illogical and unscriptural. It is a lie that denies Jesus His reward.

You left out Daniel 12, with times/2000 years, time/1000 years, and half a time/500 years. That was from Daniel in Babylon to the GWT.

 

[GEN2REV]

Can you provide Scripture that states the time between the Cross and the Second Coming would be 2000 years?

It is viable concept, there should be Scripture to verify any time length.

That really wasn't an equal challenge thrown back at me.

I didn't make any claim about 2000 years anything. You were claiming a concept with Revelation as your basis for the concept. I simply stated that there should be additional verses somewhere in the Bible to confirm it.

If you've found scripture that states there will be 2000 years for something, there should almost certainly be scripture to support it elsewhere in the Bible.

My point is that there isn't any scripture that I'm aware of that supports the Revelation Millennium doctrine. So ... maybe it's not an accurate translation of the verses. They ARE symbolic visions, after all.

 

[Timtofly]

That really wasn't an equal challenge thrown back at me.

I didn't make any claim about 2000 years anything. You were claiming a concept with Revelation as your basis for the concept. I simply stated that there should be additional verses somewhere in the Bible to confirm it.

If you've found scripture that states there will be 2000 years for something, there should almost certainly be scripture to support it elsewhere in the Bible.

My point is that there isn't any scripture that I'm aware of that supports the Revelation Millennium doctrine. So ... maybe it's not an accurate translation of the verses. They ARE symbolic visions, after all.

Because God is giving you a literal time frame, and you choose to ignore it, to make up your own ideology.