Day of the Lord

[CoreIssue]

Hi Taken, how do you select a quote from who you're responding to w/o carrying over the whole thing. I've tried copying but then it doesn't have the box where it says, so and so said...?

Hit reply and then delete what you don't want to include

On the lower left the page I switch styles to default. Makes quoting a whole lot easier and clearer It includes a quote function under the +. Just highlight what you want and click quote.

 

[Taken]

Hi Taken, how do you select a quote from who you're responding to w/o carrying over the whole thing. I've tried copying but then it doesn't have the box where it says, so and so said...?

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[Davy]

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The Book of Joel doesn't need tearing apart grammatically to understand God's Message there.

Joel 1:1-3 is simply presenting a proverb, asking if this has happened yet in the reader's generation. And keep passing the info on from generation to generation until the generation to whom it happens upon.

Joel 1:4-6 is about a symbolic locust army which God points out is a certain peoples, "a nation", that comes upon Israel to destroy and reap. It is correlated with the locust army Christ showed John in Revelation 9, which begins its working on the 5th Trumpet - 1st Woe period.

Joel 1:7-20 is a general description in figurative language of the locusts attacking.

Joel 1:15 is describing the day of the Lord is imminent at that point. It does not say it happens at the beginning of the locust's working.


In Joel 2 some brethren also get confused about the order of events there about destruction, wrongly assigning what the locusts do as the day of the Lord. In reality, the day of the Lord events are interspersed back and forth within the Joel 2 chapter. One must be very careful in not assigning the events of the locust's workings as within the day of the Lord timing, for it's the day of the Lord of God's consuming fire that destroys the locust's working on the last day of this present world.

Lot of modern Dispensationalists have been mistaught to treat the "day of the Lord" as beginning with the time of "great tribulation" when it does not. Like 2 Peter 3:10-11 reveals, that will be the final day of this present world, and it will end the time of "great tribulation".

 

[Keraz]

Joel 1:4-6 is about a symbolic locust army which God points out is a certain peoples, "a nation", that comes upon Israel to destroy and reap. It is correlated with the locust army Christ showed John in Revelation 9, which begins its working on the 5th Trumpet - 1st Woe period.

Joel chapter 1 and 2 both describe the Lord's Day of wrath, a terrible Judgment by fire that will consume the pastures and burn up every tree in all of the holy Land area. As a careful reading of the context confirms. Joel 1:19-20 All purely allegorical and symbolic for the actual blast of fire from the sun that the Lord will use on His Day of wrath.
This has nothing to do with the Fifth Trumpet, they are described quite differently from Joel.

 

[Davy]

Joel chapter 1 and 2 both describe the Lord's Day of wrath, a terrible Judgment by fire that will consume the pastures and burn up every tree in all of the holy Land area. As a careful reading of the context confirms. Joel 1:19-20 All purely allegorical and symbolic for the actual blast of fire from the sun that the Lord will use on His Day of wrath.
This has nothing to do with the Fifth Trumpet, they are described quite differently from Joel.

The locust army of Rev.9 is the same locust army of the Book of Joel.

In Joel 1:6, God uses the metaphor of the teeth of lion for that nation coming upon His land. Joel 2 gives more symbolic analogies related to Rev.9, showing them as horsemen and chariots, in battle array. God even calls them "My great army which I sent among you" (Joel 2:25). These are all parallels to the locusts of Rev.9.

Rev 9:7-9
7 And the shapes of the locusts were like unto horses prepared unto battle; and on their heads were as it were crowns like gold, and their faces were as the faces of men.

8 And they had hair as the hair of women, and their teeth were as the teeth of lions.

9 And they had breastplates, as it were breastplates of iron; and the sound of their wings was as the sound of chariots of many horses running to battle.
KJV

 

[Keraz]

The locust army of Rev.9 is the same locust army of the Book of Joel.

Your opinion.
Locusts, a human army, or anything else, simply will not do what we are plainly told will happen at the Sixth Seal worldwide disaster,

only a blast of superheated plasma from the sun will literally fulfil the prophesies, as Isaiah 30:26a, Malachi 4:1, Psalms 11:4-6, Joel 1&2, + , tell us.
The ancient prophets had to use what they knew to describe things they had no knowledge about.
Obviously you don't like the idea that a huge CME will destroy our modern lifestyle. Tough!​

 

[Davy]

Your opinion.
Locusts, a human army, or anything else, simply will not do what we are plainly told will happen at the Sixth Seal worldwide disaster,

only a blast of superheated plasma from the sun will literally fulfil the prophesies, as Isaiah 30:26a, Malachi 4:1, Psalms 11:4-6, Joel 1&2, + , tell us.
The ancient prophets had to use what they knew to describe things they had no knowledge about.
Obviously you don't like the idea that a huge CME will destroy our modern lifestyle. Tough!​

The day of God's consuming fire is going to be an event that will destroy man's works off this earth, but will not destroy His creation. You're thinking His Fire is the material fire of this earthly world.

Heb 12:25-29
25 See that ye refuse not Him That speaketh. For if they escaped not who refused Him That spake on earth, much more shall not we escape, if we turn away from Him That speaketh from heaven:

26 Whose voice then shook the earth: but now he hath promised, saying, 'Yet once more I shake not the earth only, but also heaven.'

27 And this word, 'Yet once more', signifieth the removing of those things that are shaken, as of things that are made, that those things which cannot be shaken may remain.

28 Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear:

29 For our God is a consuming fire.
KJV

And the parallel of the locust army in Rev.9 with the one in the Book of Joel is not... my opinion. I showed you part of the parallel, you reject what the Scripture reveals, not simply what I say. So tough, if you don't like the existence of that parallel between those two Books of God's Word. It is for sure Christ will not open your understanding in the Rev.9 chapter about the locusts as long as you disregard that parallel study.

 

[CoreIssue]

Day of the Lord

 

[Davy]

Day of the Lord

If you can't explain it yourself from Holy Writ, then it means you don't really understand it.

 

[CoreIssue]

If you can't explain it yourself from Holy Writ, then it means you don't really understand it.

Did you read the link? Of course not.

 

[Davy]

Did you read the link? Of course not.

If you want to use what someone else wrote, then quote it with your understanding. Trying to just use someone else's words in place of your own doesn't garner must respect simply because it shows it's not you communicating.

 

[CoreIssue]

If you want to use what someone else wrote, then quote it with your understanding. Trying to just use someone else's words in place of your own doesn't garner must respect simply because it shows it's not you communicating.

I wrote it.

 

[Keraz]

The day of God's consuming fire is going to be an event that will destroy man's works off this earth, but will not destroy His creation. You're thinking His Fire is the material fire of this earthly world.

The great and Terrible Day of the Lord's vengeance and wrath against the nations, is plainly prophesied to be a literal day of fire sent by the Lord.
The previous time the He corrected the civilization of the world He used water, 2 Peter 3:7 is indisputable; this time He will use fire. And Joel 1 & 2 describe this forthcoming event. The locusts mentioned in Joel 1:4, are simply an example for the devastation that will happen. Locusts don't cause fire, as Joel prophesies many times for the Day of the Lord's wrath.
Joel 2:30-31 proves that locusts have nothing to do with that Day.

 

[Davy]

The great and Terrible Day of the Lord's vengeance and wrath against the nations, is plainly prophesied to be a literal day of fire sent by the Lord.
The previous time the He corrected the civilization of the world He used water, 2 Peter 3:7 is indisputable; this time He will use fire. And Joel 1 & 2 describe this forthcoming event. The locusts mentioned in Joel 1:4, are simply an example for the devastation that will happen. Locusts don't cause fire, as Joel prophesies many times for the Day of the Lord's wrath.
Joel 2:30-31 proves that locusts have nothing to do with that Day.

Sorry Keraz, but you are confusing this with the things of our earthly dimension.

Heb 12:29
29 For our God is a consuming fire.
KJV

Since God is "a consuming fire", what KIND of fire is that?

2 Kings 1:10
10 And Elijah answered and said to the captain of fifty, "If I be a man of God, then let fire come down from heaven, and consume thee and thy fifty." And there came down fire from heaven, and consumed him and his fifty.
KJV

See how God is able to use His Fire like a laser weapon, very accurate? Elijah was standing right there next to the captain and Elijah was untouched. Likewise with the Daniel 4 example of the hot fiery furnace, heated seven times hotter than necessary, Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego came out of it and their clothes didn't even smell of smoke.

Obviously then, God's consuming fire originates from Him, from the Heavenly dimension, not from our material dimension. So comparing solar flares and what not to Him as a consuming fire doesn't really fit.

 

[Keraz]

Sorry Keraz, but you are confusing this with the things of our earthly dimension.

Obviously then, God's consuming fire originates from Him, from the Heavenly dimension, not from our material dimension. So comparing solar flares and what not to Him as a consuming fire doesn't really fit.

Obviously then; you haven't read or understood the over 70 prophesies that tell us about the fire the Lord will send on His Day of wrath. It will be a worldwide disaster, Zephaniah 3:8, but will especially affect the Middle East region. Amos 1 & 2:1-5, Ezekiel 30:1-5, Zephaniah 1:14-18

But your denial of what we are plainly told will happen, is also prophesied: Acts 13:40-41, Habakkuk 1:5
Carry on thinking Spiritual and the DoL will hit you physically, like it did in Noah's time.

 

[Davy]

Obviously then; you haven't read or understood the over 70 prophesies that tell us about the fire the Lord will send on His Day of wrath. It will be a worldwide disaster, Zephaniah 3:8, but will especially affect the Middle East region. Amos 1 & 2:1-5, Ezekiel 30:1-5, Zephaniah 1:14-18

But your denial of what we are plainly told will happen, is also prophesied: Acts 13:40-41, Habakkuk 1:5
Carry on thinking Spiritual and the DoL will hit you physically, like it did in Noah's time.

Oh, I believe God's consuming fire is real, it's just not the kind of fire you've been proposing. It comes from the Heavenly dimension, not the sun. And those in Christ Jesus are not sun worshipers. God is not the sun. But to claim that's where His consuming fire originates is to infer God is the sun. That's an ancient idea some of the pagan Egyptians actually believed.

 

[Keraz]

Oh, I believe God's consuming fire is real, it's just not the kind of fire you've been proposing. It comes from the Heavenly dimension, not the sun. And those in Christ Jesus are not sun worshipers. God is not the sun. But to claim that's where His consuming fire originates is to infer God is the sun. That's an ancient idea some of the pagan Egyptians actually believed.

This is a rude and crude twisting of what I posted.
The Lord will use His Creation to reset our civilization, just as He did in Noah's day, then with water; this time with fire sent from the sun. Isaiah 30:26a, Psalms 11:4-6, Psalms 50:1-3

 

[Davy]

This is a rude and crude twisting of what I posted.
The Lord will use His Creation to reset our civilization, just as He did in Noah's day, then with water; this time with fire sent from the sun. Isaiah 30:26a, Psalms 11:4-6, Psalms 50:1-3

Not meant to be rude, just meant to be informative.

You really should consider though, how Scripture calls our Heavenly Father "a consuming fire". Our sun is in our material earthly dimension. God's abode is in the Heavenly spiritual dimension.

What that means is like when Elijah prayed that God would send fire down from Heaven to consume the fifty, that fire didn't originate from the sun. It came from God out of the Heavenly dimension, for as written, "God is a consuming fire."

Just as many have a problem understanding how God has the image of man, which is the image He created the angels and flesh man with, so likewise they often treat God as a force only, and not as our true Father having emotions and feelings like we do. Science cannot explain how God sent fire down to earth to destroy the fifty soldiers standing in front of Elijah. Nor will science be able to explain how the "another beast" of Rev.13 will be able to make fire come down from heaven in the sight of men in the future great tribulation.

 

[Keraz]

The much prophesied, still to come, Lords Day of vengeance and wrath, the Sixth Seal – may happen at the same time as the next Middle East war. People think there may be a nuclear exchange, but what is more certain is what the prophets say:
Jeremiah 50:25 The Lord opens His armoury and brings forth the weapons of His wrath, for this is His work to be done in the lands of the godless peoples.
Isaiah 34:5 For My sword appears in heaven, it descends in judgement.
Psalms 11:4-6 The Lord is in heaven, raining fiery coals onto the wicked.
Isaiah 66:15-16 See, the Lord is coming in fire, like a whirlwind. He will judge with fire, His sword will test mankind and many will be slain by Him.
Isaiah 33:10-12 Now I shall arise, says the Lord, I will exalt Myself. You will be as chaff and stubble, a wind like fire will consume you. Whole nations will be heaps of white ash, like thorns cut down and set on fire.
Psalms 144:5-6 Lord, part the heavens. Make lightning flashes far and wide.
Isaiah 30:30 Then the Lord will make His voice heard in majesty...descending in fierce anger with devouring flames of fire amid storms and hail.
Jeremiah 30:23-24 See what a scorching wind has gone out from God, a sweeping whirlwind which whirls around the heads of the wicked. The Lords fierce anger is not to be turned aside until He has fully accomplished His purposes. In Days to come you will understand.
Isaiah 29:5-6 Yet, the horde of Your enemies will crumble into dust, fly away like chaff. Suddenly in an instant punishment will come from the Lord, with storms, thunder, earthquakes and great noise and a flame of devouring fire.
Isaiah 9:19 The land is scorched by the Lord, the people are like fuel for the fire.
Isaiah 10:17 The Light of Israel will become a fire, its Holy One a flame, which, in one day will burn up and consume His thorns and briars.
Isaiah 30:26 On the Day that the Lord saves His people, the sun will shine with seven times its usual brightness and the moon will be as bright as the sun.
See; the Lord comes from afar, His anger blazing and His doom heavy. His lips are charged with wrath and His tongue is a devouring fire. His breath is like a torrent in spate. He sieves out the nations for destruction. Isaiah 63:1-6

What these (and other) prophecies say, seem to be describing is sunspot activity.
Maybe the sun is building up to a huge Coronal Mass Ejection, something we do experience with minor CME’s. They happen very suddenly and unexpectedly, reaching earth within hours and are capable of causing enormous damage and deaths worldwide.
All electrical and communications systems, industry, transport, you name it, could be destroyed, or at least severely damaged. Armies would be back to 1800’s technology.

A CME explosion of the suns surface, as described in Isaiah 30:26, with the sun flashing 7 times brighter, would be one of unprecedented magnitude and would literally cause all the graphically prophesied effects. For example; the moon would shine bright red as it reflects this sun explosion.

 

[CoreIssue]

The much prophesied, still to come, Lords Day of vengeance and wrath, the Sixth Seal – may happen at the same time as the next Middle East war. People think there may be a nuclear exchange, but what is more certain is what the prophets say:
Jeremiah 50:25 The Lord opens His armoury and brings forth the weapons of His wrath, for this is His work to be done in the lands of the godless peoples.
Isaiah 34:5 For My sword appears in heaven, it descends in judgement.
Psalms 11:4-6 The Lord is in heaven, raining fiery coals onto the wicked.
Isaiah 66:15-16 See, the Lord is coming in fire, like a whirlwind. He will judge with fire, His sword will test mankind and many will be slain by Him.
Isaiah 33:10-12 Now I shall arise, says the Lord, I will exalt Myself. You will be as chaff and stubble, a wind like fire will consume you. Whole nations will be heaps of white ash, like thorns cut down and set on fire.
Psalms 144:5-6 Lord, part the heavens. Make lightning flashes far and wide.
Isaiah 30:30 Then the Lord will make His voice heard in majesty...descending in fierce anger with devouring flames of fire amid storms and hail.
Jeremiah 30:23-24 See what a scorching wind has gone out from God, a sweeping whirlwind which whirls around the heads of the wicked. The Lords fierce anger is not to be turned aside until He has fully accomplished His purposes. In Days to come you will understand.
Isaiah 29:5-6 Yet, the horde of Your enemies will crumble into dust, fly away like chaff. Suddenly in an instant punishment will come from the Lord, with storms, thunder, earthquakes and great noise and a flame of devouring fire.
Isaiah 9:19 The land is scorched by the Lord, the people are like fuel for the fire.
Isaiah 10:17 The Light of Israel will become a fire, its Holy One a flame, which, in one day will burn up and consume His thorns and briars.
Isaiah 30:26 On the Day that the Lord saves His people, the sun will shine with seven times its usual brightness and the moon will be as bright as the sun.
See; the Lord comes from afar, His anger blazing and His doom heavy. His lips are charged with wrath and His tongue is a devouring fire. His breath is like a torrent in spate. He sieves out the nations for destruction. Isaiah 63:1-6

What these (and other) prophecies say, seem to be describing is sunspot activity.
Maybe the sun is building up to a huge Coronal Mass Ejection, something we do experience with minor CME’s. They happen very suddenly and unexpectedly, reaching earth within hours and are capable of causing enormous damage and deaths worldwide.
All electrical and communications systems, industry, transport, you name it, could be destroyed, or at least severely damaged. Armies would be back to 1800’s technology.

A CME explosion of the suns surface, as described in Isaiah 30:26, with the sun flashing 7 times brighter, would be one of unprecedented magnitude and would literally cause all the graphically prophesied effects. For example; the moon would shine bright red as it reflects this sun explosion.

Just throw the Bible and write your own because you do not pay attention to what the real one says.

Where did you get all of this nonsense from? What group do you belong to?