Day of the Lord

[farouk]

As I see it, the rapture - in the air -(1 Thess. 4; John 14), relates to the church, while the Day of the Lord relates to the earth.

 

[CoreIssue]

Dan 9:25

(A) "Know therefore and understand, that"

(B) "from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem"

- There were actually four commands issued that can be located in scripture and must be considered:

(1) Ezra 1:1-14, 1st year of Cyrus, dated to 537 B.C.
(2) Ezra 6:1-12, 2nd year of Darius dated to 520 B.C.
(3) Ezra 7:1-27, 7th year of Artaxerxes dated to 457 B.C.
(4) Neh 2:1-8, 20th year of Artaxerxes dated to 444 B.C.

DECREE DATE...………………….. 69 WEEKS 483 YEARS...……..70 WEEKS 490 YEARS
Ezra 1 537 B.C. …………………...54 B.C...………………………………………………. 47 B.C.
Ezra 6 520 B.C...…………………. 37 B.C.............................................30 B.C.
Ezra 7 457 B.C...……………. 27 A.D...…………………………………... 34 A.D.
Neh 2 444 B.C..................….40 A.D...………………………………………………. 47 A.D.
Given the generally accepted age of 30 for Jesus (Luke 3:23) at His baptism in the 15th year of Tiberius (Luke 3:1) which can be independantly and firmly established as 27 A.D., only one of the decrees fits, that being the 3rd decree given in Ezra 7 in the fall of 457 B.C.* The others are either too early or too late to be the command referred to. The decree in Ezra 7 (vs. 23-26), permits civil and religious autonomy to be restored in Jerusalem in compliance with God's law, fulfilling Daniel's prophecy. So starting in the fall of 457 B.C. places the end of the 70 weeks, or 490 years, in the fall of 34 A.D., placing the year of the crucifixion, (which happened in the middle of the 70th week of Daniel), at the Spring of 31 A.D.
From 457BC to 27AD is precisely 483 years. The prophecy specifically states that the 69 weeks will be met at the time of "Messiah the Prince"...not at Messiah's death. That time was when He was anointed as Messiah when the holy Spirit came upon Him at His baptism. Jesus Himself alluded to the completion of this part of the prophecy when He said, "The time is fulfilled...." Mark 1:15
That final week began at His baptism. That final week, that final 7 years, was Christ's ministry to Israel, the first 3 and a half years in person, the last 3 1/2 years through the disciples, as He instructed them to go only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. In the midst of that final week Messiah was cut off. At the end of the 490 years given exclusively to Israel, the gospel went to the Gentiles. Israel's probation was over.

Try the simple way. Price was 33 when he died and many believe it was a 27 A.D.

27 A.D. -483 years is 456. Minus another year for year zero and it is 457.

Your mistake is the 70th week of Daniel is future so only 69 weeks are complete at Christ's death.

The math works out just fine without your SDA doctrine.

As well. Messiah dies at the close of the 69th week.

Daniel 9:26 New International Version (NIV)
26 After the sixty-two ‘sevens,’ the Anointed One will be put to death and will have nothing.

 

[Keraz]

The futurist interpretation of this passage denies the prophecy of Jesus' baptism in verse 24. It also denies His crucifixion in verse 27 and applies it instead to the antichrist, in an astounding twisting of scripture.

This wrong accusation is rude and unacceptable.
Why don't you even try to understand what others believe? You are so fixated on you own views, which you cannot prove, that you are blinded to any other interpretation.
Make a proper case for your beliefs, instead of ranting and raving against ours, as you do.

 

[Keraz]

As I see it, the rapture - in the air -(1 Thess. 4; John 14), relates to the church, while the Day of the Lord relates to the earth.

....for that Day will come upon everyone, the whole world over. Luke 21:34-35 Isaiah 24, 2 Peter 3:7, Revelation 6:12-17, +
Your Bible quotes in no way prove a 'rapture to heaven'.

 

[n2thelight]

Didn't read the link did you?

Nope,didn't need too

 

[n2thelight]

For the Elect the days were cut short,it's 6 months,ie the time of the locust....

 

[CoreIssue]

For centuries scholars believed the locust represents the Arabs and Muslims. I do too!

 

[CoreIssue]

When people prefer to ridicule rather than confront a post, they admit their inadequacy.
"And thus I saw the horses in the vision, and them that sat on them, having breastplates of fire, and of jacinth, and brimstone: and the heads of the horses were as the heads of lions; and out of their mouths issued fire and smoke and brimstone."

"And thus I saw the horses in the vision, and them that sat on them, having breastplates of fire...
(suicide vest) The word for breastplates is the word 'thorax,' and were held by straps that went over the shoulders or around the neck."...

...and of jacinth," (dark red)...
From Vines.... Jacinth: signifies "hyacinthine," perhaps primarily having the color of the hyacinth. Some regard its color as that of the martagon lily, a dusky red. According to Swete, the word 'jacinth' in Rev 9:17 is, "doubtless meant to describe the blue smoke of a sulphurous flame."

"...and brimstone:...." sparks and explosion.
This is the only place the word 'brimstone' or Strong's #2306 is used in the NT. Strong's #2306 comes from 2303 and says, "in its original sense of "flashing."

"...and the heads of the horses were as the heads of lions; (Babylonians) and out of their mouths issued fire and smoke and brimstone."

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Be nice if you gave us verses the links so we can have a clue what you're talking about.

Right now that sounds like something out of a metaphysical book.

 

[CoreIssue]

Revelation 9 has long been associated with the Arabs and Muslims for several reasons. Locust are figurative of the Arabs in the Old Testament. Both the scorpions and locust have the Mid-East as their natural habitat, especially in Arabia. In Arabic the word "Arab" and "locust" sound similar. In Judges 6:5 and 7:12 the Midianites and the Amalekites, who are likely related to the Ishmaelites, are Arab tribes and are associated with grasshoppers or ‘LOCUST.’ Gesenius says that the Midianites are of an Arab nation, and the Amalekites are the descendants of Esau. In Genesis 37:25 the Midianites seem identified with the Ishmaelites. Strong's says Midian or Midianite' = "strife." Nahum says about the Arabs... "Make thyself many as the locusts." Nah.3:5

Again no source is provided

 

[Keraz]

Huge amount of confusion and guesswork here.
When it is understood that it is the Lord who instigates and SENDS His great and terrible fiery wrath, Amos 1, Psalms 11:4-6, on Day He destroys His enemies and Isaiah 30:26 + other prophesies prove it will be an explosion of the sun; then we need not speculate and guess what it is that will literally fulfil all the detailed prophesied about that Day.

Secular scientists and astronomers know of this threat and many governments and military have prepared underground shelters. Why are people who do read the prophesies so ignorant about it?
Joel 2:32, Acts 2:21 + tell us what we must do when it strikes. Trust the Lord for protection. Isaiah 42:2, Isaiah 41:13, 2 Peter 2:9, 2 Thessalonians 1:6-10

 

[CoreIssue]

Huge amount of confusion and guesswork here.
When it is understood that it is the Lord who instigates and SENDS His great and terrible fiery wrath, Amos 1, Psalms 11:4-6, on Day He destroys His enemies and Isaiah 30:26 + other prophesies prove it will be an explosion of the sun; then we need not speculate and guess what it is that will literally fulfil all the detailed prophesied about that Day.

Secular scientists and astronomers know of this threat and many governments and military have prepared underground shelters. Why are people who do read the prophesies so ignorant about it?
Joel 2:32, Acts 2:21 + tell us what we must do when it strikes. Trust the Lord for protection. Isaiah 42:2, Isaiah 41:13, 2 Peter 2:9, 2 Thessalonians 1:6-10

Explosion of the sun? Never said and not meant.

 

[CoreIssue]

By now you should know that I always have an answer for what I believe and why I believe it.

And you should know unless you have proof for what you believe it is not going to be accepted.

 

[CoreIssue]

I told you the page is not copyright. Do you have any clue how to research these things out? I could post the link to my site but refuse to do that. I'm not here to promote it.

I'm not going to post the link because I don't have it. Research it yourself.

Do you ever have anything good to say?

When you make a claim it is on you to prove it, not the person you're making it to.

 

[n2thelight]

For centuries scholars believed the locust represents the Arabs and Muslims. I do too!

They wrong,the locust are the angels that get kicked out of Heaven with satan

Revelation 9:3 "And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth: and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power."

This locust army that comes upon the earth is Satan's army of demonic forces. They are the fallen angels, and demons, both coming with Satan, and those that are already here upon the earth.

The "power" in the Greek, is "exousia"; it means "authority", or delegated power by God to them. It is the right to carry out the wrath of God, in His [God's] behalf. When they strike, or exert their power on the deceived, it is a spiritual power, as we see in Ephesians 6:10-20. This is because we are in a spiritual battle against Satan and His forces.

 

[n2thelight]

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Protestant scholars of the nineteenth century saw with amazing unanimity the rise and spread of Islam in this passage. Why? First consider where the locusts came from. They came from the “Abyss.” One of the finest Islamic scholars of the twentieth century, Abul A’la Mawdudi, wrote a book to introduce the
English-speaking world to Islam. His subtitle called Arabia, the center of Mohammed’s activities, the “Abyss of Darkness.” The phrase “bottomless pit” in the above passage is actually the word for “abyss” in Greek. This prominent scholar used the exact words of the Bible when describing the center of Mohammed’s activity.

Why locusts? Because of the Arabs’ connection to the locust. The Ishmaelites, forerunners of the modern Muslim, have as their national insignia a locust in the Bedoween romance “Antwar.” There is also a story of Mohammed that has locusts falling into his hands bearing the inscription “We are the Army of the Great God.” So here are two connections, but it doesn’t stop there. Consider the appearance of the locusts: The locusts looked like horses prepared for battle. On their heads they wore something like crowns of gold, and their faces resembled human faces. Their hair was like women’s hair, and their teeth were like lions’ teeth. They had breastplates like breastplates of iron, and the sound of their wings was like the thundering of many horses and chariots rushing into battle. They had tails and stings like scorpions, and in their tails they had power to torment people for five months. They had as king over them the angel of the Abyss, whose name in Hebrew is Abaddon, and in Greek, Apollyon. (Rev 9:7-11)

The Arabs were widely renown for their skill with a horse; according to Adam Clarke it was as if the horse and the rider were one. The Muslim wore a yellow turban as a crown, according to the poem “Antwar.” As for the face and the hair, according to Scripture a man is not to shave his beard (Lev 19:27), and the long hair of a woman is her glory (1 Cor 11:15). Arabs of the day were described as having shoulder-length hair and beards. The teeth of the lion probably represented their ferocity in battle. The breastplate reminds us of the Koran’s statement that “God hath given you coats of mail.” The tails and the stings of the scorpion were likely references to the Muslims’ ability to shoot backwards accurately while in full retreat. The power of their tails probably represented the poisonous doctrines of Islam that they were spreading to the world.

What of the other limitations placed on the army? They couldn’t harm vegetation. The Koran commands the Muslims to leave the vegetation in invaded territories alone. Muslim armies were also commanded to leave the monks in the monestaries alone and monestaries were not to be burned. These people, the Muslims thought, had God’s seal of protection on them. The Muslims were not allowed to kill the church, only torture it. That is, they couldn’t destroy the church, but they did set a series of calamities on it for five prophetic months.

So out of curiosity,how do they know who has not the seal of God?

Revelation 9:4 "And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads."

 

[Keraz]

Explosion of the sun? Never said and not meant.

Explain then, what Isaiah 30:26a refers to. It is a clear statement of fact, a prophecy awaiting fulfilment.
A Coronal Mass Ejection is certainly what Isaiah meant, backed up by over 100 other prophesies about that terrible Day, all possible to be literally fulfilled by a CME of unprecedented magnitude.

But of course when you hear of it, you will not believe it. Habakkuk 1:5, Acts 13:41

 

[Trekson]

Revelation 9 has long been associated with the Arabs and Muslims for several reasons. Locust are figurative of the Arabs in the Old Testament. Both the scorpions and locust have the Mid-East as their natural habitat, especially in Arabia. In Arabic the word "Arab" and "locust" sound similar. In Judges 6:5 and 7:12 the Midianites and the Amalekites, who are likely related to the Ishmaelites, are Arab tribes and are associated with grasshoppers or ‘LOCUST.’ Gesenius says that the Midianites are of an Arab nation, and the Amalekites are the descendants of Esau. In Genesis 37:25 the Midianites seem identified with the Ishmaelites. Strong's says Midian or Midianite' = "strife." Nahum says about the Arabs... "Make thyself many as the locusts." Nah.3:5

This may sound weird but I've always thought that Rev. 9:9-10 sounds a lot like helicopters with rear firing "stinger" chem-based missiles. How else would someone of John's era describe them?

 

[CoreIssue]

They wrong,the locust are the angels that get kicked out of Heaven with satan

Revelation 9:3 "And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth: and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power."

This locust army that comes upon the earth is Satan's army of demonic forces. They are the fallen angels, and demons, both coming with Satan, and those that are already here upon the earth.

The "power" in the Greek, is "exousia"; it means "authority", or delegated power by God to them. It is the right to carry out the wrath of God, in His [God's] behalf. When they strike, or exert their power on the deceived, it is a spiritual power, as we see in Ephesians 6:10-20. This is because we are in a spiritual battle against Satan and His forces.

The fallen angels are bound in the pit until the white throne judgment, so most assuredly is not them.

They are demons.

 

[CoreIssue]

This may sound weird but I've always thought that Rev. 9:9-10 sounds a lot like helicopters with rear firing "stinger" chem-based missiles. How else would someone of John's era describe them?

I've heard that one before as well as tanks.

 

[CoreIssue]

Explain then, what Isaiah 30:26a refers to. It is a clear statement of fact, a prophecy awaiting fulfilment.
A Coronal Mass Ejection is certainly what Isaiah meant, backed up by over 100 other prophesies about that terrible Day, all possible to be literally fulfilled by a CME of unprecedented magnitude.

But of course when you hear of it, you will not believe it. Habakkuk 1:5, Acts 13:41

What I said is based on what Peter said and the Greek word meanings.

What you said is your theory.

The whole universe is destroyed, not just the earth.

 

[Keraz]

What I said is based on what Peter said and the Greek word meanings.

What you said is your theory.

You avoid Isaiah 30:26a, Psalms 50:1-3, Malachi 4:1, AND what 2 Peter 3:7 said.

The whole universe is destroyed, not just the earth.

Quite wrong and shows you up as one who fails to properly read what the Bible actually says.
The earth will remain forever: Ecclesiastes 1:4, Psalms 78:69, Ephesians 3:21, Isaiah 45:18