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ChristisGod

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Does God make the decision for us?

We obviously must call on the name of the Lord to be saved; and that is an act of the will; unless God reaches down and makes our mouth move when we do that.

Rev 22:17, And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.
So here again you are avoiding the context. Lets stick with John 1.

So here is your verse quoted in its "context". So you have surrounding verses that tie into John 1:12. A text without the context is a pre-text for a prooftext. This is basics 101.

John 1:10-13
10 He was in the world, and though the world was made through him, the world did not recognize him. 11 He came to that which was his own, but his own did not receive him. 12 Yet to all who did receive him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God— 13 children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband’s will, but born of God.

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Says who ?

No point in addressing them all at once lets take them one at a time with the first one I quoted in its context.
When you try to pick apart scriptures one at a time, you are in effect destroying the teaching of the Holy Ghost which He is attempting to teach you by comparing spiritual thing with spiritual.

1Co 2:13, Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

You are, in effect, attempting to dismantle a biblical teaching.
 

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So here again you are avoiding the context. Lets stick with John 1.

So here is your verse quoted in its "context". So you have surrounding verses that tie into John 1:12. A text without the context is a pre-text for a prooftext. This is basics 101.

John 1:10-13
10 He was in the world, and though the world was made through him, the world did not recognize him. 11 He came to that which was his own, but his own did not receive him. 12 Yet to all who did receive him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God— 13 children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband’s will, but born of God.

hope this helps !!!
Revelation 22:17 is the topical context of John 1:13, using the biblical hermeneutic of 1 Corinthians 2:13 (kjv).
 

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When you try to pick apart scriptures one at a time, you are in effect destroying the teaching of the Holy Ghost which He is attempting to teach you by comparing spiritual thing with spiritual.

1Co 2:13, Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

You are, in effect, attempting to dismantle a biblical teaching.
false you are making up your own principles.

you should be able to pick any book- gospel or epistle and prove your beliefs from it. That is how you study the bible is by reading the book in its historical context, background, culture, audience, defining words and their meaning in their context and see how the writer is using terms, phrases, words etc.....

Do you know what the inductive bible study method is ?
 

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Revelation 22:17 is the topical context of John 1:13, using the biblical hermeneutic of 1 Corinthians 2:13 (kjv).
you do not understand hermenuetics by your above statement you are proving just the opposite.

Do you know what inductive bible study means ?
 

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I took a course on Inductive Bible Study at Bible College.

In Inductive Bible Study, you find the topical context and relate it to the verse in question; just as 1 Corinthians 2:13 (kjv) says to do. This is the biblical hermeneutic.
 

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I took a course on Inductive Bible Study at Bible College.

In Inductive Bible Study, you find the topical context and relate it to the verse in question; just as 1 Corinthians 2:13 (kjv) says to do. This is the biblical hermeneutic.
If so then you should address John 1:12 in its context which is the inductive method.
 

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It is a first principle of hermeneutics that the context of any given verse is never going to nullify or change the plain meaning of said verse. Because there are no contradictions in the Bible.

Therefore, since your interpretation of John 1:13 is in contradiction to Revelation 22:17, therefore your interpretation must be off.
 

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Does God make the decision for us?

We obviously must call on the name of the Lord to be saved; and that is an act of the will; unless God reaches down and makes our mouth move when we do that.

Rev 22:17, And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.
How does a dead man call, or have a will ? Next time you go to a corpse see if it can call or exercise its will !
 

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Revelation 22:17 is part of the topical context of John 1:12-13.
No it is not.

What is Inductive?

“Inductive” is the opposite of “deductive.” Broadly speaking, an inductive approach is when you start with the details of something and then move outwards toward the general.

For Bible study, that means you don’t begin with a topic (like “Romantic Relationships”) or a lesson (like “Find Purpose in Your Work”) and then try to find specific verses that make a teaching point. Instead, an inductive study focuses on one passage of the Bible and then moves toward these two goals:

  1. Discover what a biblical author intended to communicate to their original audience.
  2. Encounter Jesus and be transformed by his Word.
Inductive is more of an attitude than a method. It’s about being deeply curious about the Bible. It’s about not consuming the Bible as preprocessed food, but embracing the messy and mysterious path to clarity. It’s questions and conversations and discovering God’s message together. It’s believing that the Bible is worth studying closely, can be understood by common people with God’s help, and should be put into practice.

Those who use the inductive approach appreciate how it keeps the Bible itself at the center of the conversation. Once familiar with the style, everyone can participate and contribute to the study. (In fact, someone who is new to the Bible might have the clearest vision and most helpful questions because their mind isn’t yet crowded with previous sermons and teachings.)

Where did Inductive come from?

The inductive approach was first applied formally to Bible study in the 1800s. Today, it’s used widely among Christians. InterVarsity’s style is just one of many unique expressions of inductive Bible study.

An InterVarsity staff named Paul Byer pioneered doing inductive study using a manuscript in the 1950s. Since then, InterVarsity has cultivated an inductive approach to Bible study using manuscripts in small group communities.

How Do You Study Inductively?

The inductive approach to Bible Study features three steps: Observation, Interpretation, and Application. This is sometimes shortened to simply OIA.


Observation | What Does the Text Say?

The first step is to pay close attention to what the text actually says. “Observations” are things you notice about the text that everyone else looking at it can see and agree on. At first, you might think that after you’ve read the passage once there is nothing left to observe. But, the inductive approach has developed some categories to help you look more closely at the text and deeply observe a passage.


Interpretation | What Does the Text Mean?

The interpretation step is centered on asking questions of the text. What do you find intriguing, confusing, or troubling? What questions does the author seem to want the readers to wrestle with? Honest and thoughtful questions push us back into the passage and help us engage it deeply.

You then answer the questions from the text. You use the immediate context to help you define terms. You develop theories that make sense across all of your observations. You use cultural and historical background to help you understand the perspective of the author and the original audience. However, you avoid using resources that the original audience wouldn’t have had access to, like commentaries or parts of the Bible that weren’t yet written.

Application | How is God Inviting Us to Respond?

The word “application” can be misleading here because it sounds like you can lift out of the Bible what you would like to apply to your own life, like applying lip balm. Instead, think of application as God inviting you to align with his Word. Our part is to listen, discern, and then to obey. The Holy Spirit inspires and empowers our response.

The inductive approach assumes that we cannot truly understand something that we haven’t applied in practice. It is not enough to grasp with our minds the teaching of the Bible. We don’t really know the Bible until after we leave the study and embody its teaching. Inductive Bible Study

hope this helps !!!
 

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How does a dead man call, or have a will ? Next time you go to a corpse see if it can call or exercise its will !
Apparently there are plenty of living corpses all around; and they can choose whether to put raspberry or maple syrup on their pancakes in the morning.

I believe that they can also choose whether to receive or reject Christ when the Holy Spirit draws them.

Because the drawing of the Spirit is not necessarily the same thing as regeneration.
 

justbyfaith

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No it is not.

What is Inductive?

“Inductive” is the opposite of “deductive.” Broadly speaking, an inductive approach is when you start with the details of something and then move outwards toward the general.

For Bible study, that means you don’t begin with a topic (like “Romantic Relationships”) or a lesson (like “Find Purpose in Your Work”) and then try to find specific verses that make a teaching point. Instead, an inductive study focuses on one passage of the Bible and then moves toward these two goals:

  1. Discover what a biblical author intended to communicate to their original audience.
  2. Encounter Jesus and be transformed by his Word.
Inductive is more of an attitude than a method. It’s about being deeply curious about the Bible. It’s about not consuming the Bible as preprocessed food, but embracing the messy and mysterious path to clarity. It’s questions and conversations and discovering God’s message together. It’s believing that the Bible is worth studying closely, can be understood by common people with God’s help, and should be put into practice.

Those who use the inductive approach appreciate how it keeps the Bible itself at the center of the conversation. Once familiar with the style, everyone can participate and contribute to the study. (In fact, someone who is new to the Bible might have the clearest vision and most helpful questions because their mind isn’t yet crowded with previous sermons and teachings.)

Where did Inductive come from?

The inductive approach was first applied formally to Bible study in the 1800s. Today, it’s used widely among Christians. InterVarsity’s style is just one of many unique expressions of inductive Bible study.

An InterVarsity staff named Paul Byer pioneered doing inductive study using a manuscript in the 1950s. Since then, InterVarsity has cultivated an inductive approach to Bible study using manuscripts in small group communities.

How Do You Study Inductively?

The inductive approach to Bible Study features three steps: Observation, Interpretation, and Application. This is sometimes shortened to simply OIA.


Observation | What Does the Text Say?

The first step is to pay close attention to what the text actually says. “Observations” are things you notice about the text that everyone else looking at it can see and agree on. At first, you might think that after you’ve read the passage once there is nothing left to observe. But, the inductive approach has developed some categories to help you look more closely at the text and deeply observe a passage.


Interpretation | What Does the Text Mean?

The interpretation step is centered on asking questions of the text. What do you find intriguing, confusing, or troubling? What questions does the author seem to want the readers to wrestle with? Honest and thoughtful questions push us back into the passage and help us engage it deeply.

You then answer the questions from the text. You use the immediate context to help you define terms. You develop theories that make sense across all of your observations. You use cultural and historical background to help you understand the perspective of the author and the original audience. However, you avoid using resources that the original audience wouldn’t have had access to, like commentaries or parts of the Bible that weren’t yet written.

Application | How is God Inviting Us to Respond?

The word “application” can be misleading here because it sounds like you can lift out of the Bible what you would like to apply to your own life, like applying lip balm. Instead, think of application as God inviting you to align with his Word. Our part is to listen, discern, and then to obey. The Holy Spirit inspires and empowers our response.

The inductive approach assumes that we cannot truly understand something that we haven’t applied in practice. It is not enough to grasp with our minds the teaching of the Bible. We don’t really know the Bible until after we leave the study and embody its teaching. Inductive Bible Study

hope this helps !!!
In my Inductive Bible Study Course, I was taught to always find the topical context in other Bible books and bring those verses to bear on the passage.
 

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In my Inductive Bible Study Course, I was taught to always find the topical context in other Bible books and bring those verses to bear on the passage.
That is deductive just the opposite of inductive.

For example the Deity of Jesus is much easier to prove when you read His claims in their context for example reading the entire chapter 5 of John and witnessing Jesus talking with the Pharisees. His entire dialogue with them are His claims of being God and His authority to make those claims and finally they say you being a mere man are making yourself out to be God so they tried to stone Him. But there are numerous claims He made showing His Equality with the Father in John 5.
 

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Apparently there are plenty of living corpses all around; and they can choose whether to put raspberry or maple syrup on their pancakes in the morning.

I believe that they can also choose whether to receive or reject Christ when the Holy Spirit draws them.

Because the drawing of the Spirit is not necessarily the same thing as regeneration.
Your imagination is running wild !