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Willie T

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I really do not care what the world does or accepts. I expect the world to behave this way. It is no surprise when the world behave ungodly, but when it begin to be embraced, accepted, and defended by the Christian community, then that is another matter entirely. For those who may not know any better, defending homosexuality is nothing more than a rationalization process by which people attempt to normalize deviant choices that cannot be justified through any legitimate psychological exercise. This is simply an attempt to placate a conscience that cannot harmonize the thing one desires and the moral limitations that prohibit the behavior. Homosexuality is not a biological issue. it is a sin issue. It is not socially acceptable behavior, it is a social and moral disgrace. Homosexuality is not an illness nor is it some type of genetic abnormality. Homosexuals are NOT born gay. That argument is nothing more than an attempt to appeal to the scientific community and call them as a witness against the word of God to defend this perverted behavior. Homosexuality is a learned behavior and a matter of choice, not a predilection. There is no "pride" in it, nor should it be afforded any measure of dignity. IT IS SIN, and in the end, it will destroy all who engage in it or stand in its defense. Attempting to explain it away scientifically is nothing more than an attempt to excuse the behavior and marginalize its shame. Yes, we are to love the sinner but, we are not permitted to accept the sinner on his or her own terms. Sin must be repented of and put aside. That is called repentance. Without that, there is no association with God no mater what the person may claim.

I saw this posted some time back on face book and it is absolutely true. It is a simple matter of facts.
(Roughly quoted from a post on “The Federalist Papers” website, May 28, 2018. Words in red were added by me.)
1. In a sexual species, there are only two sexes, male and female.
2. 99.93% of humans have either XX or XY sex chromosomes (the rest is mutation).
3. Being one sex but thinking you are another is not a biological issue, it is a psychological disorder.
4. Mandating a widespread enabling of a psychological disorder is a sociopathy.
Embracing a hurting sinner is not accepting the sin. The Bible says that before He spoke a word to the Rich Young Ruler, Jesus looked at him, and LOVED him. And that guy was breaking at least two of the 10 commandments.
 
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I have to admit that I get kind of exasperated at listening to some of you "Holier Than Thou" Self-Righteous people who I feel are lying through your teeth, possibly thinking that will make God less able to see you for who and what you are.

I hate (absolutely do despise) the organized Homosexual agenda, as a whole. And, I have been fortunate not to have any queers in my family. BUT, I can tell you, 100%, that I would not turn my back on a beloved family member (my baby sister, for instance) who came out of the closet, just because of that admission.

Some of you say, "Well, neither would I... as long as they immediately denied any feelings, and never again looked at someone of the same sex.

Well, life doesn't work that way. And it may take years — decades — of struggling with them through their battle. (I said "struggling WITH" them not AGAINST them) And, you know what, they may go to their deathbed, never having beaten that demon.

I feel so sad for, not you people who so rigidly resist any compassion for these people—even your own family members—who have this particular monkey on their backs, but for those you say you would ostracize. We really should be able to muster some of that kind of concern for even the most painted-up flaming faggot wearing diapers on a Gay Pride float.

My own brother has been in prison five times for drugs. He can't seem to quit. But, as much as it hurts, I will be holding his hand till the end. (And I am pretty sure you already know I do not just accept the crap he does... and he knows it all too well.) I believe I can say the same about any homosexuals who may also need the same kind of support and help from me.
There’s a lot of condemnation speak on this thread. Makes me think how can these be the mouths of the Lord? He doesn’t like sin indeed one that comes to mind is adultry yet people sit next to it in the pews every time their in the church fellowshiping and never give it a second thought. And I’m not only speaking of the worldly kind I’m speaking of those on their second, third , fourth etc... marriage?
 

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Embracing a hurting sinner is not accepting the sin. The Bible says that before He spoke a word to the Rich Young Ruler, Jesus looked at him, and LOVED him. And that guy was breaking at least two of the 10 commandments.
That is not what I am talking about Willie. Of course we must embrace the sinner who repents as the son did in the parable. What I am talking about the acceptance of the lifestyle by those in the 'so-called' Christianity. This is unacceptable.
 

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That is not what I am talking about Willie. Of course we must embrace the sinner who repents as the son did in the parable. What I am talking about the acceptance of the lifestyle by those in the 'so-called' Christianity. This is unacceptable.

But there again...I can see that it cannot be as cut and dried as you say.
My older daughter 57 is called to work with a team who are in the rescue business of Porn and Prostitution ...it is heart breaking. They trade off because being in that environment more that 20 mins at a time is unbearable for a Christian... they have to break and clear their minds and refocus on the Lord..the filth sucks a person downward.

The old phrase ..at the sin but love the sinner.
NO, my daughter does not condemn them...many of them have heart breaking stories of how they got where they are. She hugs them and cries with them.

I see few if any tears in the body of Christ, but do I see and hear more than enough condemnation.
God help us.
 

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Can a person take full responsibility for their action when the sin nature is the rulership from within ?
When people believe no one can live above all sin, then which one is OK to do ? do we get to choose ?
So how far can a person go to condemn another person for the sinful flesh, if they have sinful flesh also ?

If you believe you are born with a sin nature.
Then maybe that is how some can justify Homosexuality as equal to any other sin.
Looks like you have a LOT more "Bible Gazing" to do...

From your absurd perspective (which is thoroughly unbiblical) no one can be justly judged by God.
 

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That is not what I am talking about Willie. Of course we must embrace the sinner who repents as the son did in the parable. What I am talking about the acceptance of the lifestyle by those in the 'so-called' Christianity. This is unacceptable.
I guess you missed the fact that the father in that parable had no idea his son had repented when he went running to him and started kissing him. We have no idea where a queer is in his relationship with God. It is OURSELVES we need to be concerned with, and whether we are doing as Jesus would.
 

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I guess you missed the fact that the father in that parable had no idea his son had repented when he went running to him and started kissing him. We have no idea where a queer is in his relationship with God. It is OURSELVES we need to be concerned with, and whether we are doing as Jesus would.
Jesus touched the lepers
 

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Once on Mount Athos there was a monk who lived in Karyes. He drank and got drunk every day and was the cause of scandal to the pilgrims. Eventually he died and this relieved some of the faithful who went on to tell Elder Paisios that they were delighted that this huge problem was finally solved.


Father Paisios answered them that he knew about the death of the monk, after seeing the entire battalion of angels who came to collect his soul. The pilgrims were amazed and some protested and tried to explain to the Elder of whom they were talking about, thinking that the Elder did not understand.


Elder Paisios explained to them: "This particular monk was born in Asia Minor, shortly before the destruction by the Turks when they gathered all the boys. So as not to take him from their parents, they would take him with them to the reaping, and so he wouldn't cry, they just put raki into his milk in order for him to sleep. Therefore he grew up as an alcoholic. There he found an elder and said to him that he was an alcoholic. The elder told him to do prostrations and prayers every night and beg the Panagia to help him to reduce by one the glasses he drank.


After a year he managed with struggle and repentance to make the 20 glasses he drank into 19 glasses. The struggle continued over the years and he reached 2-3 glasses, with which he would still get drunk."


The world for years saw an alcoholic monk who scandalized the pilgrims, but God saw a fighter who fought a long struggle to reduce his passion.


Without knowing what each one is trying to do what he wants to do, what right do we have to judge his effort?


Source: Translated by John Sanidopoulos
 

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Jesus touched the lepers
Of course but that is not endorsement of sodomy as your post lends itself.

Jesus saves his elect out of homosexuality and other sins, and those lifestyles become former lifestyles; 1 Corinthians 6:9-11.
 
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With the exponential rise of defenders of homosexuality in the world, I cannot help but wonder how it is that many who claim to be of the Christian community can defend this lifestyle so fervently. I suppose I will never be able to understand why anyone who claims to be a Christian can feel comfortable defending that which God has condemned.
'Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God:
.. for God cannot be tempted with evil,
.... neither tempteth He any man:
But every man is tempted,
.. when he is drawn away of his own lust,
.... and enticed.
Then when lust hath conceived,
.. it bringeth forth sin:
.... and sin, when it is finished,
...... bringeth forth death.'

(James 1:13-15)

Hello @oldhermit,

I feel sorry for those whose lusts lead them into actions which are abhorrent to God: for lust, especially sexual lusts are strong when allowed to take hold. The action of engaging in a physical union with one of our own gender is on record as being abhorrent to God, so regardless of the strength of our feeling towards another, or the fact that it is the fruit born of love for another, to allow lust to conceive and bring forth sin must not be contemplated.

To share one's life with another of the same gender is not wrong, to love that person, and want to spend one's life with that person is not wrong, but to engage in a physical union with that person is wrong, and should be avoided at all costs.

In Christ Jesus
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'Flee fornication.
Every sin that a man doeth is without the body;
but he that committeth fornication
sinneth against his own body.
What?
know ye not
that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost
which is in you,
which ye have of God,
and ye are not your own?
For ye are bought with a price:
therefore glorify God in your body,
and in your spirit,
which are God's.'

(1 Corinthians 6:18-20)
 

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Homosexuality is a curse from God against a God rejecting people. God literally gives a people over to it. You don't want God...fine, have this instead. (Rom. 1:26-27)

It is not self-righteous to recognize this. The believer in Christ recognizes that he too could have fallen into this had not God redeemed him, and he placed faith in Christ and believed the truth. (Rom. 1:18)

If a homosexual tells me he goes to a homosexual church, and his pastor is a homosexual, and they just have a homosexual great worshiping time, I tell him he is a liar. He may be having a good time, but his worship and service are not received by God. His homosexuality is a result of rejecting the truth. Until he goes back and corrects that, there is no hope.

I do not embrace or condone, or seek to sympathize with homosexuals. They have the truth but reject the truth. God has rejected them. Why should I receive one as a homosexual. I shouldn't.

If you want to be a homosexual, go ahead. But stay away from me and mine. The only hope for the homosexual is Jesus Christ. But the problem is they have already denied the truth of God which is why they are where they are.

Homosexuality is nothing but maggots upon a dead carcass. They don't arrive until something is dying or dead. Thus our country is filled with them.

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Homosexuality is a curse from God against a God rejecting people. God literally gives a people over to it. You don't want God...fine, have this instead. (Rom. 1:26-27)

It is not self-righteous to recognize this. The believer in Christ recognizes that he too could have fallen into this had not God redeemed him, and he placed faith in Christ and believed the truth. (Rom. 1:18)

If a homosexual tells me he goes to a homosexual church, and his pastor is a homosexual, and they just have a homosexual great worshiping time, I tell him he is a liar. He may be having a good time, but his worship and service are not received by God. His homosexuality is a result of rejecting the truth. Until he goes back and corrects that, there is no hope.

I do not embrace or condone, or seek to sympathize with homosexuals. They have the truth but reject the truth. God has rejected them. Why should I receive one as a homosexual. I shouldn't.

If you want to be a homosexual, go ahead. But stay away from me and mine. The only hope for the homosexual is Jesus Christ. But the problem is they have already denied the truth of God which is why they are where they are.

Homosexuality is nothing but maggots upon a dead carcass. They don't arrive until something is dying or dead. Thus our country is filled with them.

Stranger
Memorize all that well, and maybe God will buy it when you are required to stand before Him.
 

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Memorize all that well, and maybe God will buy it when you are required to stand before Him.
So I guess maybe we can see what a fab trap that is for the judgemental, who of course will not want to contemplate that they are the "two men in a bed" of Scripture that God cares about, and there is no "I could have fallen into that bed," but, as Scripture makes plain imo we are born in that bed, and one is taken, and the other left.

I'm convinced homospirituals make homosexuals tbh, I mean could you imagine growing up under...that?
 

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So I guess maybe we can see what a fab trap that is for the judgemental, who of course will not want to contemplate that they are the "two men in a bed" of Scripture that God cares about, and there is no "I could have fallen into that bed," but, as Scripture makes plain imo we are born in that bed, and one is taken, and the other left.

I'm convinced homospirituals make homosexuals tbh, I mean could you imagine growing up under...that?
With a quarter-century of clinically dealing with people caught in this, I have found countless things that "make" Homosexuals. Too many to point a finger at any particular reason. We are never going to really know in every case, and it really makes no difference if we do, anyway. While we are carefully and conscientiously "guarding" our children's spiritual doors, the devil will slip in a window we totally overlooked. What I am mainly concerned with here in this thread is our own roles in how we respond to, deal with, and treat them as we encounter them as strangers intersecting our lives.
 

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God is probably not going to ask if we figured-out the genesis or matrix of Homosexuality during our time on Earth, but rather, "How did you treat the other human beings with this disease that I put in your path?"
Ya, the part that matters imo. Now as a pediatrician I would also decline to treat the baby of lesbian parents, carefully orchestrated commercials notwithstanding, but I wouldn't be evil to them, I hope