RLT63
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That's why I missed it. I know it doesn't say God the Son anywhere in the Bible that I know of.
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Jesus isn’t called “God the Son” in scripture. He is called the Son of God in scripture.
You call him God the Son, don’t you?
You speak about him in a way which scripture doesn’t. You speak about him in the way that binitarianism and trinitarianism speaks about him.
When I was a trinitarian, I would have understood “God the Son” and “the Son of God” to be synonymous phrases. I didn’t know then what you know now - one of the phrases is biblical in origin and the other phrase is post-biblical in origin.
In my trinitarian days, I would have read the intentional mistranslation (“God the Son”) and never given it a second thought - I would have been reading with and through a much later theology, a theology which isn’t the theology of the biblical time frame, an alien theology, and never realized it.
I would have believed things about Jesus which no one living in biblical times did.
Does it matter?
“Does it matter?”
That’s what I asked myself once I became aware that I believed things which no one living in biblical times believed. I eventually decided that it does. The Church helped me make that decision.
I ask others the question now - 4 decades after asking and answering the question myself - and the response I receive most often - “No, it doesn’t matter” - isn’t an echo of the Church which taught me that it does.
Dr. Harold O.J. Brown (trinitarian) heard the same echo I (a Jewish unitary monotheist) hear and he poured out his life, as I’m pouring out mine, to sound the alarm.
Dr. Brown talked to the wind. So do I.
That’s what I asked myself once I became aware that I believed things which no one living in biblical times believed. I eventually decided that it does. The Church helped me make that decision.
I ask others the question now - 4 decades after asking and answering the question myself - and the response I receive most often - “No, it doesn’t matter” - isn’t an echo of the Church which taught me that it does.
Dr. Harold O.J. Brown (trinitarian) heard the same echo I (a Jewish unitary monotheist) hear and he poured out his life, as I’m pouring out mine, to sound the alarm.
Dr. Brown talked to the wind. So do I.
The experiment was, by design, subtle. Not to repeat the experiment but to make my intentional mistranslation less subtle and more visible:
“And they all said, ‘Are you the second person of the Trinity, then?’ And he said to them, ‘Yes, I am.’”
(Luke 22:70, IMV - Intentionally Mistranslated Version)
They didn’t ask the question and he didn’t make the claim. The Church much, much later made the claim for him.
Did the Church get it right?
Does it matter?
It takes one to Know the Holy Spirit to truly understand the Trinity.
Not to mention some people who make claims of the Trinity are not about the Trinity at all but that such is just another bastardisation of the true Trinity. I seen this bastardisation of the Trinity handed out years ago by the JW watchtower, such was just pathetic ! total bastardisation and a work of Satan directly as soon as I seen it !
Not to mention some people who make claims of the Trinity are not about the Trinity at all but that such is just another bastardisation of the true Trinity. I seen this bastardisation of the Trinity handed out years ago by the JW watchtower, such was just pathetic ! total bastardisation and a work of Satan directly as soon as I seen it !
Did Christians invent the Trinity? The OP says no.
The source of the Trinity, we were asked to believe, is Judaism, not Christianity. The Rabbis were trinitarians.
The Rabbis were trinitarians?
Only one trinitarian stepped forward to point out the absurdity. Why didn’t others?
Does it matter? There’s that question again.
Does it matter?
How many trinitarians does it take to challenge the absurd assertion made in the OP?
One. Only one.
Church history.
Does it matter?
The source of the Trinity, we were asked to believe, is Judaism, not Christianity. The Rabbis were trinitarians.
The Rabbis were trinitarians?
Only one trinitarian stepped forward to point out the absurdity. Why didn’t others?
Does it matter? There’s that question again.
Does it matter?
How many trinitarians does it take to challenge the absurd assertion made in the OP?
One. Only one.
Church history.
Does it matter?
RLT63
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I know you do.
I think John believed what Jesus, the Messiah, the Son of God believed / believes - there is only one God, theirs.
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I know you don’t.
To begin with, Jesus of Nazareth knows more about God than anyone else.
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In order to be a trinitarian,
1. One must have a God; and
2. That God must be the Trinity.
RLT63
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First, back to Moses.
Does Moses meet the criteria presented in post #179?
btw, McGrath’s book arrived in the mail this morning. You’re the first to know. I haven’t even told my wife yet. (She’s still agitated over the books I’ve been taking out of storage while I search for the Lockman Foundation document.)
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