Did Christians invent the Trinity-2
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RLT63
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“The monotheism of the Jews was then, as it is still, unitarian.”
(Leonard Hodgson, Christian Faith and Practice, p. 74)
Dr. Hodgson, a trinitarian, wasn’t persuaded - and for good reason - that Moses is a trinitarian.
Moses the trinitarian is a fiction. Moses the unitarian is an historical fact.
Moses met the first criteria but didn’t meet the second criteria.
Moses isn’t a trinitarian. Moses is a unitarian.
What about Jesus?
Does he have a God? If so, is his God the Trinity?
RLT63
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The Jews didn’t think Jesus’ religion is Judaism?
What do you think they thought his religion is?
You don’t think Jesus’ religion is Judaism?
Everyone should know that Jesus’ religion is Judaism.
“So, what is the religion of Jesus? The simple answer is: Judaism.”
(Stephanie Hamman, “What Religion Was Jesus?”)
What Religion Was Jesus?
Jews For Jesus, a trinitarian ministry, knows and correctly says what the religion of Jesus is.
It’s an historical fact.
(Stephanie Hamman, “What Religion Was Jesus?”)
What Religion Was Jesus?
Jews For Jesus, a trinitarian ministry, knows and correctly says what the religion of Jesus is.
It’s an historical fact.
All of the Jewish scholars I’ve ever read have said the religion of Jesus is Judaism.
Do you know of any Christian scholars who have gone on record saying that it isn’t?
RLT63
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His religion is still Judaism.
He isn’t at odds with traditional Judaism. He’s at odds with fellow Jews about whether or not he is the promised Messiah.
Jesus met the first criteria. He has a God.
Jesus didn’t meet the second criteria. He isn’t a trinitarian.
Jesus the trinitarian is a fiction. Jesus the unitarian is an historical fact.
RLT63
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Of course he did.
Christianity began as a sect of, and within, Judaism.
Christianity is Jewish.
But Christianity later changed. It didn’t stay Jewish. It didn’t remain a sect of, and within, Judaism. See Church history.
Jesus himself was, is, and always will be a unitarian.
Jesus the Roman Catholic (or Protestant) is every bit as fictional as Jesus the trinitarian.
How did the Church get from unitarian (the faith of the founder) to trinitarian?
Church history provides the answer.
How did the Church get from unitarian (the faith of the founder) to trinitarian?
Church history provides the answer.
What can you tell me about the Christian / trinitarian belief that the Trinity is 3 Deities and they are one God, about which there is nothing in scripture to study on the subject?
Is that what you think Jesus himself believes?
RLT63
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A Jesus who would know or believe in 3 deities who are one God isn’t the Jesus who knows and believes that his God and my God is only one person, the Father.
Trinitarianism has strayed so far away from it’s 4th century teaching.
RLT63
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The formulation process started before the 4th century.
Church history is clear about when, where, how, and why and by whom it was developed. Neither Moses, Jesus nor the apostles had anything to do with it.
As for when it changed - a point which I appreciate you acknowledging; many trinitarians wouldn’t - it changed when orthodoxy was disregarded by trinitarians.
The trinitarian teaching I asked if you could tell me something about is denied and prohibited by orthodoxy. See, for example, the Athanasian Creed.
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