Did Jesus say that he was the Messiah? - Answering the question

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David Lamb

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You still don't understand what I mean.

"Money makes the devil turn the millstone.
Only love can bring redemption to people."
Or more idiomatically:
"Money makes the world go round,
but only love can save a soul."

In that case I humbly apologise. Please forgive me. I obviously misunderstood your words: "Jesus has already pointed out the way they need to be redeemed. All they need to do is pay taxes to Caesar, and then live together as a unified entity in a "communist" society in an orderly manner." as meaning that you thought Jesus had taught that redemption was to be obtained by paying taxes to Caesar and living together as a unified entity.
 
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Of course, it wasn't something that Jesus himself claimed. It was the Bible's prophecy and God's declaration that he was the savior and Messiah.
Of course?
It's an interesting point that Jesus Himself did not declare it.
 

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Of course?
It's an interesting point that Jesus Himself did not declare it.
Why not? We are all products created by God. Only God has the correct manual. Shouldn't it be him who explains the functions mentioned in this manual and personally guide us?
 

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Why not? We are all products created by God. Only God has the correct manual. Shouldn't it be him who explains the functions mentioned in this manual and personally guide us?
The point is that Father God guided Jesus NOT to declare His being Messiah in the sense of an announcement.
 

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The point is that Father God guided Jesus NOT to declare His being Messiah in the sense of an announcement.
Yeah, God always say something half of the words and let us thinking about the other half.

Because Only we running something in our minds and we could understand it and remember that.
 

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In that case I humbly apologise. Please forgive me. I obviously misunderstood your words: "Jesus has already pointed out the way they need to be redeemed. All they need to do is pay taxes to Caesar, and then live together as a unified entity in a "communist" society in an orderly manner." as meaning that you thought Jesus had taught that redemption was to be obtained by paying taxes to Caesar and living together as a unified entity.
I am just slow to realize. People are always swept along by many things. The ideas instilled by the world’s power holders—capitalism is evil, communism is evil—but whether something is evil or not is determined by the word of God. Even if one knows what communism is, humanity will still greedily turn it into capitalism. No matter which ideology, in the end it will sacrifice the opposing group. It seems there is no way to establish God’s kingdom in this world. Humanity is never satisfied with the status quo, always striving for something better, but things only become worse. This is the bottomless pit of greed, into which no light can shine. The only savior is Jesus Christ. His words are life, truth, and the way. His words are: “The way that can be spoken is not the normal way; the name that can be named is not the normal name.”

And I didn't want not to forgive your understanding of Thought Stamp from your life in the world.
 

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Yeah, God always say something half of the words and let us thinking about the other half.

Because Only we running something in our minds and we could understand it and remember that.
Jesus confirmed who He was.
John 4
25 I know that Messias cometh, which is called Christ: when he is come, he will tell us all things.
26 Jesus saith unto her, I that speak unto thee am he.
 

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Jesus confirmed who He was.
John 4
25 I know that Messias cometh, which is called Christ: when he is come, he will tell us all things.
26 Jesus saith unto her, I that speak unto thee am he.
But a lot of people who think that I am he the "He" here is "God" not messiah.