Did Jesus truly say what's in the Gospels? - Biblehub article

[St. SteVen]

Doubtful disputations like this one do nothing for those who are weak, or young in faith, and should be avoided.

That's what happened to me. The truth was hidden from me in my formative years.
No one warned me about all the pitfalls in Christian religion.
Why do you want to whitewash the truth?

 

[Windmill Charge]

Why do you claim that questions are only okay if one is willing to accept answers?
Should I keep my questions to myself? (and just quietly leave the church) ???
The atheists will welcome me with open arms. (while Christians reject me)

Questions are intended for answers and sometimes we should be questioning our own preconceptions.

How does one learn about God? 99% of what we learn is from the bible, you may argue with that percentage, ultimatly it is the bible that teaches us and it tells us two basic facts.

God is holy
We are sinners.

If one disputes these then one needs to reexamin ones starting point, because if God is not holy, if we are not sinners where does that leave us?

In my opion an unholy God would be unjust and we would not be able to trust such a God for anything.


So do keep asking question, joining atheist would leave you worse off as they have even fewer answers to your questions.

 

[St. SteVen]

How does one learn about God? 99% of what we learn is from the bible, you may argue with that percentage, ultimatly it is the bible that teaches us and it tells us two basic facts.

God is holy
We are sinners.

I don't dispute those points.

In my opion an unholy God would be unjust and we would not be able to trust such a God for anything.

My problem is with the description of God the church has provided us with.
What you call holy is not holy at all. A God that incinerates His "enemies". (made in His image)

There is nothing holy about a forever burning hell.
I thought God was in the restoration business.
A forever burning hell is pointless and sadistic.

Same is true for the annihilation of the wicked.
Everyone has a story. A holy God would get to the bottom of it.
Evaluation/corrections/restoration/redemption

 

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That's what happened to me. The truth was hidden from me in my formative years.
No one warned me about all the pitfalls in Christian religion.
Why do you want to whitewash the truth?

Hello @St. SteVen,

What truth was hidden from you? The truth concerning the person and work of the Lord Jesus Christ? Or what man has done with it?

In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[Windmill Charge]

My problem is with the description of God the church has provided us with.

I'm not interested in what the church or a church says God is or is not.
I'm interested in how the bible says what God is.

If you are not willing to accept how the bible describes God, how do you know anything about God?

What is holiness?

What is sin?

 

[St. SteVen]

Hello @St. SteVen,

What truth was hidden from you? The truth concerning the person and work of the Lord Jesus Christ? Or what man has done with it?

In Christ Jesus
Chris

Mostly about the origins and nature of the Bible and differing views of hell. (final judgement)

 

[St. SteVen]

I'm not interested in what the church or a church says God is or is not.
I'm interested in how the bible says what God is.

Christians seem to think that the Bible only speaks one way.
I think more depends on the person being spoken to than what is being spoken.
What does it mean to them?

 

[St. SteVen]

Christians seem to think that the Bible only speaks one way.
I think more depends on the person being spoken to than what is being spoken.
What does it mean to them?

I think most of us have had the experience while reading the Bible when a certain word or phrase stands out on the page.
The Spirit is highlighting something for us specifically. The message is for us personally.

 

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Mostly about the origins and nature of the Bible and differing views of hell. (final judgement)

(Eph 4:1) I therefore, the prisoner of the Lord, beseech you that ye walk worthy of the vocation wherewith ye are called,
(Eph 4:2) With all lowliness and meekness, with longsuffering, forbearing one another in love;
(Eph 4:3) Endeavouring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace.
(Eph 4:4) There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;
(Eph 4:5) One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
(Eph 4:6) One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.
(Eph 4:7) But unto every one of us is given grace according to the measure of the gift of Christ.

Hello there, @St. SteVen,

I am sure nothing was deliberately concealed from you. It was not until I started taking part on a forum that I realised the errors of tradition myself, and the issues upon which believers differ: and it was not until I became aware of the unity of the Spirit in Ephesians chapter four (above) that I recognised the plumb-line whereby we are measured.

This unity was secured by the Lord Jesus Christ Himself when He broke down the middle wall of partition between us, having abolished in His flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances, for to make in Himself of twain one new man, so making peace (Eph. 4:11-16).

So anything that destroys that peace, so dearly bought, must be brought to the word of God and measured against what is written.

In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

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Thank you, @Nancy,

Within the love of Christ our Saviour
Chris

Christians seem to think that the Bible only speaks one way.
I think more depends on the person being spoken to than what is being spoken.
What does it mean to them?

I think most of us have had the experience while reading the Bible when a certain word or phrase stands out on the page.
The Spirit is highlighting something for us specifically. The message is for us personally.

Hello @St. SteVen,

The Holy Spirit does use His sword (the word of God) to quicken and teach us on a personal level as we read: but it is not open to private interpretation (2 Pet. 1:20). If it were, there would be chaos, and God is not the author of confusion (1 Cor. 14:33), but the Author and Finisher of our faith, in the person of the Lord Jesus Christ (Hebrews 12:2).

Praise God!

In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[St. SteVen]

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◄ Did Jesus truly say what's in the Gospels? ►​

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How do we know Jesus really said what’s in the Gospels? I. Introduction: The Assertion that Jesus’s Words are Preserved The question of whether Jesus truly said what is recorded in the Gospels touches on the reliability of ancient documents, the consistency of historical testimony, and the spiritual conviction that Scripture is God’s Word. Numerous lines of evidence-manuscript transmission, corroborating accounts, internal consistency, and fulfilled prophecy-build the case that the teachings attributed to Jesus in Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John represent His actual words and deeds.​ II. The Promise of Preservation Throughout the Gospels, there is a consistent emphasis on the enduring nature of Jesus’s teachings. In Mark 13:31, Jesus declares, “Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will never pass away.” This statement underscores an assurance that these words would be preserved and proclaimed. Additionally, in John 14:26, Jesus promises that “the Helper, the Holy Spirit… will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have told you.” This promise of divine guidance gives early Christian authors confidence in retaining Jesus’s words accurately, presenting them under the Holy Spirit’s oversight. Source: How do we know Jesus really said what’s in the Gospels?​

 

[Jack]

"Did Jesus truly say what's in the Gospels?"​

STV said: "No wonder I don't trust the Bible"!

Just another Bible attack by STV!

 

[shepherdsword]

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◄ Did Jesus truly say what's in the Gospels? ►​

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How do we know Jesus really said what’s in the Gospels? ​

Some of us actually have faith and believe that God preserved His word.

Jn 14:26
But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

 

[St. SteVen]

Some of us actually have faith and believe that God preserved His word.

Indeed. Mostly.
But does it float?

Which is more pure? - The Bible, or Ivory Soap?

Which is more pure? The Bible, or Ivory Soap? (99.44% pure) And does it float? [

www.christianityboard.com

 

[shepherdsword]

Indeed. Mostly.
But does it float?

Which is more pure? - The Bible, or Ivory Soap?

Which is more pure? The Bible, or Ivory Soap? (99.44% pure) And does it float? [

www.christianityboard.com

Nothing will satisfy those who have no faith. They are condemned to continually eat from the tree of knowledge and be deceived. If we can't take God at his word his word then how can we be confident that he will truly redeem us?

 

[St. SteVen]

... how can we be confident that he will truly redeem us?

Many struggle with that.
Like the man that was let down in front of Jesus through the roof.
Jesus forgave his sin. But how do you know this is true?
So Jesus made him walk. Tangible evidence.

Oftentimes the tangible evidence is seen by others around us.
They can see that we are different.

 

[Jack]

Many struggle with that.
Like the man that was let down in front of Jesus through the roof.
Jesus forgave his sin. But how do you know this is true?
So Jesus made him walk. Tangible evidence.

Oftentimes the tangible evidence is seen by others around us.
They can see that we are different.

But you said "no wonder I don't trust the Bible"!