Difficult questions on sin and consequences and being covered by God/Christ!

[MatthewG]

I'm not even going to try... to touch that. It is too much man-made WORLD philosophy totally unrelated to what God's Word teaches.

I don't think about sin... why would anyone want to think about sin all day long.

Good.

Cause Im not bothered by other people and what they do. I only have to worry about myself and my own choices in life.

Sucks that I used the scripture too doesnt it?

About the only thing that bothers me concerning other people is the abuse they heap upon others.

 

[thelord's_pearl]

Yes to most of that.....but I don't believe that all Christians are going to heaven....only the chosen ones will...and its God who does the choosing, so no one can get their nose out of joint for not getting chosen. They are a limited number because they fill positions in a "government" that Isaiah spoke about in Isa 9:6-7.

Life on earth will be so amazing that no one will feel as if they have missed out on something.....we are programmed to live in paradise, so life on earth will finally feel like home....not like some war zone or den of evil where we don't belong. (Rev 21:2-4)

Yes, only the true Christians will be going to Heaven, not false Christians and everyone will have the chance. That leads me to another question about the Holy Spirit.

 

[thelord's_pearl]

The definition of 'murder' is about homicide, which means pre-meditated, thought of beforehand. If someone kills someone by accident (like in a bar fight by accident let's say), that is not pre-meditated and per God's law is classified as manslaughter. Under the Old Testament sanctuary cities were provided for those who did manslaughter, and the victim's family seeking revenge was not allowed to go after the person in those sanctuary cities. But in today's courts, judges and lawyers ruling from the bench treat manslaughter like murder putting various degrees on it, and a sanctuary city like a police free zone.

1st degree murder is a sin unto death. That's homicide, pre-meditated. Per the old covenant that always carried the death penalty. Today in the U.S., it depends on the laws of the state. Texas used to have a fast-track law for 1st degree murderers for execution.

Under the New Covenant, this is where many get confused, because Lord Jesus did NOT nail all of God's law on His cross. Jesus nailed the 'writing of ordinances' in the law on His cross, like Col.2 says. That is about the old covenant style worship, blood ordinances, do this, do that, eat this, don't eat that, etc. This is why Apostle Paul actually taught many of God's laws still being in effect under the New Covenant per 1 Timothy 1 and 1 Corinthians 6. Murder of course is one of them.

1 John 5:16
16 If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it.
KJV

I know that it is pre-meditated and planned but I was saying that what if it was their weakness like they did not want to murder someone but it's their weakness so they still did it, then that makes their sin unintentional. In such a case, like Aunty Jane mentioned, it will be treated as an illness but I believe God will still punish this kind of person one way or another due to the severity of the matter, but that God will punish someone more who could've helped it but freely did it as that will be an intentional sin and is severe.

 

[Davy]

I know that it is pre-meditated and planned but I was saying that what if it was their weakness like they did not want to murder someone but it's their weakness so they still did it, then that makes their sin unintentional. In such a case, like Aunty Jane mentioned, it will be treated as an illness but I believe God will still punish this kind of person one way or another due to the severity of the matter, but that God will punish someone more who could've helped it but freely did it as that will be an intentional sin and is severe.

Well, as Lord Jesus did say, that all manner of sin can be forgiven, except the unpardonable sin.

And, God's Word does teach about the 'brute beast' nature which God ordained some to operate with during this present world (like per Jude 4 and 10, and 2 Peter 2:12.

So it's up to Christ's Judgment in Mercy in final whether a murderer's spirit perishes in the future lake of fire or not.