Divorce and Remarriage

[Helen]

But who is an adulterer in the eyes of God? Without Christ we are all guilty of cheating on God thankfully, our confessed sins are forgiven

AMEN!!

 

[Helen]

This is all just really unfortunate. I thought the woman caught in adultery was told by Jesus, neither do I condemn you. But Dave says, nope, she's going to hell.

Sometimes you seem to get it Dave, and I think there is hope, and then, you masticate camels and spit out the weightier parts of the law, like mercy. You put heavy weights on men's backs and refuse to lift a finger to help them.

And in all of it, YOU are the one I fear for.

YES!!

 

[Waiting on him]

YES!!

YES!!

Dave’s just being pugnacious, the fact is adultry fornicators, homosexuality, murderers they don’t enter in that’s good news otherwise heaven would be just like this fallen world( the dung heap). Look that part is covered by Christ, but if he is present you’ll have a conviction to no longer practice these things. God wants us to be spiritualy blessed, he’s represented better that way, he’s glorified that way, but anyway He’s still glorified.

 

[aspen]

Well Dave, I sure hope your life is smooth going because, no offense, but your theology would crush you under any miss step. Christ came to free us to love others, not ruminate or classify sin

 

[Soverign Grace]

Well...I can try to help with what I've learned of it but its not easy, so i'll stumble around a bit and we will both pray that He comes and teaches us, okay?

Good enough:)

It's okay if you feel you can't answer - I have tough questions sometimes, that the pastor at bible study can't answer. The best way I can describe it is that sometimes I seem very close in spirit and sense God close but then it is like a vapor and is gone. I just had it happen at bible study but it's usually fleeting. Scripture tells us that Paul was "in the Spirit on the Lords Day... And I wondered how one gets "in the Spirit..."

 

[Dave L]

Now you are sounding totally ridiculous.
I was beginning to have some respect for you...but your comment is nothing but a load of religious garbage .

Jesus said it, I only passed it on.

“And every one that hath forsaken houses, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my name’s sake, shall receive an hundredfold, and shall inherit everlasting life. But many that are first shall be last; and the last shall be first.” (Matthew 19:29–30)

 

[Dave L]

Sin of any kind will keep you from heaven, and the new creation, just the same, Jesus saves from sin.

Much love!
Mark

Living in adultery = unrepentant sin = damnation

 

[Dave L]

Of course not!

:)

bondage = Greek for slavery. If it meant marriage, Paul would have said so. Don't send people to hell, that's Satan's job. Send them to heaven instead.

 

[Dave L]

Enlighten me

I can't study for you, that's your job.

 

[Soverign Grace]

Maybe you are missing my point. Obviously it was a lack in the man. There's no lack in God! But maybe when we can suddenly see that God IS, it isn't complete sight. There is another thing He does to give us clearer sight.

In your 2nd paragraph, you say you don't know if your experience resonates with anyone but that you have been striving. But your experience DOES resonate with me and you should STOP striving and just go forward in calm trust that He knows what He is doing.

Cease all striving and know that I am God.

You feel no one is understanding you, but I absolutely do. You are searching around for what you have done wrong to cause this lack of feeling close to Him and want to find it and correct it. But having begun in Spirit, can you now perfect by your own effort? That's the opposite of trusting God. That's trying to help God in your perfecting. Won't work. You received the Spirit through some kind of hard work? You suppose you will take over from there?

I'm glad that you grasp it. I think that God is going to reveal it to me - as He has in some other things - but I've had it for awhile. I sometimes sense God very close and that sense of holiness - something of a foretaste of things to come but then it's gone. I thought it might be that "inward groaning for our adoption as sons..." I also deeply miss someone who has gone home before me, who I can't wait to be united with. They're passing somehow opened Heaven to me in a way it hadn't before. I also lost my beloved terrier and can't wait to be united with her - I believe that pets are going to heaven. God gave them as companions here and I know that God will reunite us.

It's a type of inner longing - which may be the "inward groaning" or maybe it's that I haven't learned to be "in the Spirit" as spoken of in Revelations. How did Paul get "in the Spirit" - does anyone wonder that? Or has anyone tried to get "in the Spirit" the same as him? I wish the Bible had elaborated on it. In times past God has revealed things to me "a little here a little there, line upon line, precept upon precept" yet this is something that has not bene revealed just yet - hence my seeking. Sometimes someone will say something that you know was meant for you, or you'll read something that clicks. But I haven't had that, just this nagging type of longing. I thought maybe God was trying to motivate me to do something and I'm missing the message.

I started going through my journal, since sometimes that will help to clarify things. Our pastor at bible study sometimes can't answer and he tells me that when I get to heaven to ask Him. I guess each of us has our own journey with God. I just wondered if anyone else was able to get "in the Spirit" as Paul did. I thought that maybe that would fill this inner longing. Maybe I'll have it until our "adoption as sons." But I would like to follow Paul's example if I could.

 

[Dave L]

Dave’s just being pugnacious, the fact is adultry fornicators, homosexuality, murderers they don’t enter in that’s good news otherwise heaven would be just like this fallen world( the dung heap). Look that part is covered by Christ, but if he is present you’ll have a conviction to no longer practice these things. God wants us to be spiritualy blessed, he’s represented better that way, he’s glorified that way, but anyway He’s still glorified.

You are judging my motive which is sin. Jesus said divorce and remarriage = adultery and such do not go to heaven. So I stand before him with a clear conscience. How about you?

 

[Waiting on him]

You are judging my motive which is sin. Jesus said divorce and remarriage = adultery and such do not go to heaven. So I stand before him with a clear conscience. How about you?

My conscience is clear in Christ, but I stand guilty of adultry, because I’ve lusted in my heart. To say anything else would make God a liar.

 

[Dave L]

My conscience is clear in Christ, but I stand guilty of adultry, because I’ve lusted in my heart. To say anything else would make God a liar.

But you repent. It's not as easy to repent from an adulterous marriage with children involved. But adulterers must repent to receive forgiveness.

 

[Waiting on him]

But you repent. It's not as easy to repent from an adulterous marriage with children involved. But adulterers must repent to receive forgiveness.

To repent means to turn away. This would mean to terminate the adulterous relationship, how could this work?

 

[Dave L]

To repent means to turn away. This would mean to terminate the adulterous relationship, how could this work?

“And every one that hath forsaken houses, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my name’s sake, shall receive an hundredfold, and shall inherit everlasting life. But many that are first shall be last; and the last shall be first.” (Matthew 19:29–30)

 

[Waiting on him]

“And every one that hath forsaken houses, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my name’s sake, shall receive an hundredfold, and shall inherit everlasting life. But many that are first shall be last; and the last shall be first.” (Matthew 19:29–30)

This would be striving against blood

 

[Soverign Grace]

Maybe I am just looking for some honesty here x

Rita - I see your point and I agree that betrayal strikes at the core of a marriage: your spouse should be the person that you trust the most. Therefore it's a very emotional issue and I'm sorry that you had to experience it. I experienced the pain second hand in our family and I don't feel that God will hold it against them because they divorced. In some instances a marriage can be salvaged, but in others it just seems that's not possible. Infidelity is a tough issue - I don't know how a marriage can recover completely from it.

As Helen said: it doesn't matter what anyone else thinks; it matters what God thinks.

Please don't take what Dave said to heart. He was not condemning anyone or going around shaming. All he did was answer a question that I asked him. It wasn't meant for anyone but me.

We're brothers and sisters in the Lord and we've all seen how we differ on doctrine, and many other things. And let's not forget that we have old Slewfoot trying to light a match between believers. I don't know if anyone agrees with this, but I read that there are demons assigned to every church. A pastor in CA actually had satanists put a goats head across from his church. It's only a hop, skip, and a jump to realize that maybe they're starting trouble here.

It's painful when you feel put on the spot and when another believer hurts you. I really hope that this can be dropped. I asked Dave a question and he answered me - it was not meant for anyone else. We won't know who is right until we reach the celestial city. I sometimes pose questions to our pastor at bible study. I respect him because he'll admit it when he doesn't know something. He doesn't conjure an explanation up from his own mind. He laughs and tells me to ask Him when we get to heaven:)

 

[Dave L]

This would be striving against blood

How so? When is sin acceptable?

 

[Dave L]

Rita - I see your point and I agree that betrayal strikes at the core of a marriage: your spouse should be the person that you trust the most. Therefore it's a very emotional issue and I'm sorry that you had to experience it. I experienced the pain second hand in our family and I don't feel that God will hold it against them because they divorced. In some instances a marriage can be salvaged, but in others it just seems that's not possible. Infidelity is a tough issue - I don't know how a marriage can recover completely from it.

As Helen said: it doesn't matter what anyone else thinks; it matters what God thinks.

Please don't take what Dave said to heart. He was not condemning anyone or going around shaming. All he did was answer a question that I asked him. It wasn't meant for anyone but me.

We're brothers and sisters in the Lord and we've all seen how we differ on doctrine, and many other things. And let's not forget that we have old Slewfoot trying to light a match between believers. I don't know if anyone agrees with this, but I read that there are demons assigned to every church. A pastor in CA actually had satanists put a goats head across from his church. It's only a hop, skip, and a jump to realize that maybe they're starting trouble here.

It's painful when you feel put on the spot and when another believer hurts you. I really hope that this can be dropped. I asked Dave a question and he answered me - it was not meant for anyone else. We won't know who is right until we reach the celestial city. I sometimes pose questions to our pastor at bible study. I respect him because he'll admit it when he doesn't know something. He doesn't conjure an explanation up from his own mind. He laughs and tells me to ask Him when we get to heaven:)

Don't send more people to hell than you do to heaven.

 

[Soverign Grace]

I can't study for you, that's your job.

Dave I'm really sorry I asked you that question. I don't think you'll answer me again! I'm trying to have everyone understand that your response was meant for me alone. You weren't going around shaming anyone.

I hope that everyone can drop it. Dave's post was not meant for anyone else but me.

A Song of degrees of David. "Behold, how good and how pleasant it is for brethren to dwell together in unity!"