Divorce and Remarriage

[stunnedbygrace]

No reply makes me think that you think I am quite mad, SG. :)

I'm imagining all the ways you might be thinking I'm mad. It doesn't sound right to you perhaps. You don't feel like you are being perfected maybe. And maybe it seems arrogant to consider that you are anything that God would be perfecting you, especially when you can't feel or see it.

But is it humble to be searching about for what you did wrong to make God go or what you should do to make Him come back? Is that trust in God or is that trust in you?

Or is humble to realize you probably do MANY wrong things that you don't even know about yet?

 

[marks]

But again, the main concern would be that those seeking divorce are unforgiving. Which is a damnable sin. We must forgive to receive forgiveness.

Hi Dave,

If this is the 'main concern', well, isn't that part of the Old Covenant also? In the New Covenant, God tells us to forgive others as He has forgiven us in Christ.

Much love!

 

[Dave L]

Hi Dave,

If this is the 'main concern', well, isn't that part of the Old Covenant also? In the New Covenant, God tells us to forgive others as He has forgiven us in Christ.

Much love!

Yes. This is why Christians in the new covenant seek to forgive and not divorce. But if divorced by an unbeliever they are to seek reconciliation or remain single.

 

[marks]

I don't know about that...its like...who spent more time in the word than anyone else? Wasn't it the men who studied and devoted their whole lives to it? And yet Jesus told them they didn't understand scripture.

So is it the amount of time? Or is it something else?

To me, its like...those pictures that everyone else says, oh yeah...I see the pretty young woman in the hat now! And you're looking at the picture and all you see is an ugly old witch with a wart on her chin. And then if you stare long enough, something happens...your focus changes somehow and you suddenly see the young woman. And if you look at the picture later, you can't see her any more but are just seeing the witch again!

So when we look at a picture, we see black ink on a white background. But it is also possible, if instead, we look at it as if it were a black background with light areas, to see a completely different picture!

And seeing in spirit is kind of like that. We go in and out of it.

Its very difficult to explain.

I've always found that the profound truths come out of the most literal interpretations of Scripture, and simply accepting that these things are true.

While I try to take in large amounts of Scripture as part of me reading, slowly meditating through a sentence is very valuable.

Much love!

 

[marks]

Yes. This is why Christians in the new covenant seek to forgive and not divorce. But if divorced by an unbeliever they are to seek reconciliation or remain single.

1 Corinthians 7:15 "But if the unbelieving depart, let him depart. A brother or a sister is not under bondage in such cases: but God hath called us to peace."

Much love!

 

[stunnedbygrace]

I've always found that the profound truths come out of the most literal interpretations of Scripture, and simply accepting that these things are true.

While I try to take in large amounts of Scripture as part of me reading, slowly meditating through a sentence is very valuable.

Much love!

Are you sure? Dave IS taking a most extra literal interpretation of scripture regarding divorce. And something in you is feeling that's a bit gunky somehow, even though you say the most profound truths come out when a man does this. And not only that, he's using scripture for the flesh of men. Do this, don't do that, don't touch this. What is he doing that's any different from the men teaching when Jesus walked here?

 

[Dave L]

1 Corinthians 7:15 "But if the unbelieving depart, let him depart. A brother or a sister is not under bondage in such cases: but God hath called us to peace."

Much love!

Not bound to submit. “And unto the married I command, yet not I, but the Lord, Let not the wife depart from her husband: But and if she depart, let her remain unmarried, or be reconciled to her husband: and let not the husband put away his wife.” (1 Corinthians 7:10–11)

 

[marks]

Are you sure? Dave IS taking a most extra literal interpretation of scripture regarding divorce. And something in you is feeling that's a bit gunky somehow, even though you say the most profound truths come out when a man does this. And not only that, he's using scripture for the flesh of men. Do this, don't do that, don't touch this. What is he doing that's any different from the men teaching when Jesus walked here?

Hi stunnedbygrace,

I don't see Dave's POV on this as matching a literal reading, personally. In some ways, yes, but you can make some correct turns on your trip, but if you make some wrong turns, you'll still end up at the wrong destination.

He's forgetting the greatest truth of the New Covenant - we are under Christ, not under Law. Not any code of law, whether imported from the Old Covenant, constructed from the Sermon on the Mount, or codified from the Epistles.

And even so . . . the Word teaches, the unbeliever may depart, and we are not under bondage.

Much love!
Mark

 

[Dave L]

Hi stunnedbygrace,

I don't see Dave's POV on this as matching a literal reading, personally. In some ways, yes, bit you can make some correct turns on your trip, but if you make some wrong turns, you'll still end up at the wrong destination.

He's forgetting the greatest truth of the New Covenant - we are under Christ, not under Law. Not any code of law, whether imported from the Old Covenant, constructed from the Sermon on the Mount, or codified from the Epistles.

And even so . . . the Word teaches, the unbeliever may depart, and we are not under bondage.

Much love!
Mark

The problem is divorce and remarriage = adultery. Even though we are not under the law. And the NC does not provide for divorce = all State divorce laws are bogus.

 

[marks]

Not bound to submit. “And unto the married I command, yet not I, but the Lord, Let not the wife depart from her husband: But and if she depart, let her remain unmarried, or be reconciled to her husband: and let not the husband put away his wife.” (1 Corinthians 7:10–11)

@Soverign Grace

And of course we need to make sure we are representing the entire teaching on the topic, and at least the immediate context:

10 And unto the married I command, yet not I, but the Lord, Let not the wife depart from her husband:
11 But and if she depart, let her remain unmarried or be reconciled to her husband: and let not the husband put away his wife.
12 But to the rest speak I, not the Lord: If any brother hath a wife that believeth not, and she be pleased to dwell with him, let him not put her away.
13 And the woman which hath an husband that believeth not, and if he be pleased to dwell with her, let her not leave him.
14 For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean; but now are they holy.
15 But if the unbelieving depart, let him depart. A brother or a sister is not under bondage in such cases: but God hath called us to peace.

Adding "to submit" is just that, adding, which will arrive at the wrong destination.

Much love!

 

[Dave L]

@Soverign Grace

And of course we need to make sure we are representing the entire teaching on the topic, and at least the immediate context:

10 And unto the married I command, yet not I, but the Lord, Let not the wife depart from her husband:
11 But and if she depart, let her remain unmarried or be reconciled to her husband: and let not the husband put away his wife.
12 But to the rest speak I, not the Lord: If any brother hath a wife that believeth not, and she be pleased to dwell with him, let him not put her away.
13 And the woman which hath an husband that believeth not, and if he be pleased to dwell with her, let her not leave him.
14 For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean; but now are they holy.
15 But if the unbelieving depart, let him depart. A brother or a sister is not under bondage in such cases: but God hath called us to peace.

Adding "to submit" is just that, adding, which will arrive at the wrong destination.

Much love!

bondage = slavery not marriage.

 

[marks]

Not bound to submit. “And unto the married I command, yet not I, but the Lord, Let not the wife depart from her husband: But and if she depart, let her remain unmarried, or be reconciled to her husband: and let not the husband put away his wife.” (1 Corinthians 7:10–11)

12 But to the rest speak I, not the Lord: If any brother hath a wife that believeth not, and she be pleased to dwell with him, let him not put her away.

13 And the woman which hath an husband that believeth not, and if he be pleased to dwell with her, let her not leave him.

14 For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean; but now are they holy.

15 But if the unbelieving depart, let him depart. A brother or a sister is not under bondage in such cases: but God hath called us to peace.

 

[Waiting on him]

Replaced by the New Covenant, it would mean any divorce today issued by any court of law is invalid in God’s sight. And people are as married leaving the court as they were in coming.

There’s no man that has the authority to divide what God has made whole, this in my opinion includes salvation.

 

[Waiting on him]

And SG, He is purifying you in a fast, so you can receive more light. It won't feel that way. In truth, you are being bombarded with light right now, but it is so bright that it has overwhelmed you and appears like complete darkness.

Its like...when you stare at the sun. Its too much light for your eyes to receive, so it blinds you for a bit. The truth is, your eyes received a lot of light, but it also overwhelmed them and then you couldn't see.

I agree the full sole loatheth the honey comb, but to the hungry sole even the bitter things are sweet

 

[Dave L]

12 But to the rest speak I, not the Lord: If any brother hath a wife that believeth not, and she be pleased to dwell with him, let him not put her away.

13 And the woman which hath an husband that believeth not, and if he be pleased to dwell with her, let her not leave him.

14 For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean; but now are they holy.

15 But if the unbelieving depart, let him depart. A brother or a sister is not under bondage in such cases: but God hath called us to peace.

under bondage = submission taken from the word slavery. Paul did not use the word for marriage. Be careful you do not send more people to hell than you do to heaven.

 

[marks]

under bondage = submission taken from the word slavery. Paul did not use the word for marriage. Be careful you do not send more people to hell than you do to heaven.

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[Enoch111]

This was old covenant provision not imported into the New Covenant.

No it was not. Jesus said that "from the beginning" -- meaning from Adam and Eve -- God ordained human marriage to be (a) heterosexual (b) permanent and binding until death and (c) monogamous. Human marriage was meant to represent the Marriage of Christ and the Church.

The Law of Moses required stoning for adultery (and many other sexual sins). But it also permitted divorce, but not exclusively for adultery (since death was the punishment). Jesus changed all of that and gave a new ruling for Jew and Gentile.

EVERY PRONOUNCEMENT OF JESUS WAS FOR THE NEW COVENANT. This is something you need to get a hold of. He intended to fulfill the Old Covenant and in His mind (and the mind of the Father) His finished work on the cross was an accomplished fact. Therefore the teachings of Christ go well beyond the Old Covenant.

So you are simply introducing spiritual confusion (as usual) with all this nonsense about the Old Covenant.

 

[Helen]

Yes. This is why Christians in the new covenant seek to forgive and not divorce. But if divorced by an unbeliever they are to seek reconciliation or remain single.

Maybe not everyone is as strong, spiritual, upstanding, and self controlled as you are!!!!

As you have not told us anything except that your marriage and your wife is anything but wonderful , how can you judge what and how YOU would react if tested?
Has your wife committed adultery a dozen times and expected forgiveness a dozen times? And have you lovingly forgiven her every time?

If she left you for another man...do you "just presume" that you are such super saint and would not never ever need a female partner?

Unless you have walked in the shoes of those who have had to agonize to forgive an abusive and adulterous spouse... I find your posts cold, hard , and sanctimonious.

Nothing is just "black or white " as you post.
Easy for you to say...but I wonder how you would DO!

I hear no shred of compassion from you.

"Let he who is without sin....etc "

Thankfully for myself...I have been married for 58 years to the same man.
So I can't judge others as I have not been tested in that area.

 

[Enoch111]

This was old covenant provision not imported into the New Covenant.

You continue to repeat the same old NONSENSICAL MANTRA over and over again. Do you realize how much damage you do with your foolishness?

This is not the only area where you adamantly pervert Bible truth and Gospel truth. You talk about Dispensationalism as false teaching and false prophecy, but you have clearly identified yourself with your own words as a false teacher.

To all others: "Beware of wolves in sheep's clothing."

 

[Helen]

@Enoch111

Thank you for not pointing out the MANY mistakes I made in above post. :)

I saw them all ( I think) and corrected them.
Can I put it down to age? I have to find some excuse as I do it all the time!!
I STILL forget to go back and read my posts before posting!