Do Men Have Authority Over Women?

[marks]

Well considering that everything God setup after that was patriarchal in nature...

The point is this. God stated a fact. It was not in the form of an instruction, nor was it rule or maxim for all people in all times. Even though that may be true, it's not stated as such in that place.

Much love!

 

[reformed1689]

The point is this. God stated a fact. It was not in the form of an instruction, nor was it rule or maxim for all people in all times. Even though that may be true, it's not stated as such in that place.

Much love!

It is a principle. A result of the curse and something that has not changed. So you cannot say that it is irrelevant. God did setup, and has continued to setup, men in leadership positions over women in family and in the church.

 

[marks]

With regard to Phoebe the question is this, was she a Deacon (proper) or a servant of the church?

She is called a deacon. That it's translated servant, just the same, the word there is deacon.

Much love!

 

[quietthinker]

But it would be very distracting if women went to church without any pants on.

(I can't wait to see what @quietthinker might do with THAT set-up line.)

Good to see you again, @stunnedbygrace.

it'll be the men panting!

 

[Michiah-Imla]

I'm wait for them to deal with Phillip's daughter's

Easy.

“And the same man had four daughters, virgins, which did prophesy.” (Acts 21:9)

Wonderful.

But when they entered the church assembly they had to obey the church rules:

“Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.” (1 Corinthians 14:34)

Then when the service is over and they leave the assembly they can prophesy all they want.

Ever wonder why Agabus came to prophesy to Paul even though these daughters where already with Paul?

“And the same man had four daughters, virgins, which did prophesy. And as we tarried there many days, there came down from Judaea a certain prophet, named Agabus. And when he was come unto us, he took Paul's girdle, and bound his own hands and feet, and said, Thus saith the Holy Ghost, So shall the Jews at Jerusalem bind the man that owneth this girdle, and shall deliver him into the hands of the Gentiles.” (Acts 21:9-11)

Because it was not their place to prophesy unto the man to teach him anything.

 

[reformed1689]

I'm wait for them to deal with Phillip's daughter's.

What are you referring to?

 

[praise_yeshua]

@marks I wonder why you haven’t been on any Bible translation committees…

Nothing but men. Do your own work.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

She is called a deacon

But she did not hold the Office of a deacon.

“For they that have used the office of a deacon well purchase to themselves a good degree, and great boldness in the faith which is in Christ Jesus.” (1 Timothy 3:13)

 

[marks]

It is a principle. A result of the curse and something that has not changed. So you cannot say that it is irrelevant. God did setup, and has continued to setup, men in leadership positions over women in family and in the church.

I didn't say it was irrelevant. I said it was a statement of fact, not an instruction or principle.

Much love!

 

[Michiah-Imla]

Nothing but men. Do your own work.

You think you can outdo professional expert translators?

Lol!!

 

[praise_yeshua]

Easy.
Then when the service is over and they leave the assembly they can prophesy all they want.

Where do the Scriptures say this? That is your opinion. A bad opinion at that.

Ever wonder why Agabus came to prophesy to Paul even though these daughters where already with Paul?

“And the same man had four daughters, virgins, which did prophesy. And as we tarried there many days, there came down from Judaea a certain prophet, named Agabus. And when he was come unto us, he took Paul's girdle, and bound his own hands and feet, and said, Thus saith the Holy Ghost, So shall the Jews at Jerusalem bind the man that owneth this girdle, and shall deliver him into the hands of the Gentiles.” (Acts 21:9-11)

Because it was not their place to prophesy unto the man to teach him anything.

Funny. Like there wasn't other men prophets there too......

Did you even think before writing that or did you expect God to write it through you?

 

[Michiah-Imla]

Where do the Scriptures say this? That is your opinion. A bad opinion at that.

For crying out loud!

I posted the scriptures for you.

Can’t you read?!

I see you are unable to rightly divide the scriptures.

 

[reformed1689]

She is called a deacon. That it's translated servant, just the same, the word there is deacon.

Much love!

And this is where you run into the issue of assigning meaning without context. Only one translation of my top translations says deacon. All others say servant. There is a difference in the office of Deacon and a servant. Usage determines meaning. There is no reason to believe Phoebe is an officer of the church in this passage.

 

[praise_yeshua]

You think you can outdo professional expert translators?

Lol!!

Words choices are everything. Most translation contain the word choices of men. There is absolute no reason for the English word Testament to exist most any translation. It is a conflation of men. Yet, that is what you have.......

Yeah. I know better.

 

[quietthinker]

For crying out loud!

I posted the scriptures for you.

Can’t you read?!

I see you are unable to rightly divide the scriptures.

will you's children get out of the mud puddle and scrub up!

 

[reformed1689]

I didn't say it was irrelevant. I said it was a statement of fact, not an instruction or principle.

Much love!

Fair enough, I will grant you that. But I would say, based on the rest of Scripture, it was clearly also a principle.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

Yeah. I know better.

“And if any man think that he knoweth any thing, he knoweth nothing yet as he ought to know.” (1 Corinthians 8:2)

 

[praise_yeshua]

For crying out loud!

I posted the scriptures for you.

Can’t you read?!

I see you are unable to rightly divide the scriptures.

You posted your opinion...."Then when the service is over and they leave the assembly they can prophesy all they want."

You know that isn't in your Bible anywhere. That is you conflation.

 

[reformed1689]

Yeah. I know better.

This explains a lot.

 

[praise_yeshua]

“And if any man think that he knoweth any thing, he knoweth nothing yet as he ought to know.” (1 Corinthians 8:2)

Things that can equally be applied to each in a debate should be avoid. You're not doing anything but "muddying the waters"....

 

[praise_yeshua]

This explains a lot.

It explains that you trust men. I don't.