Do Men Have Authority Over Women?

[reformed1689]

That means they can't speak while they do mission work, raise money, cook dinners, etc. while in a church. I don't think God told him to say that.

No, that is not what that means.

 

[reformed1689]

Let's start with his first letter. In my Bible, the (old) Revised Standard Version, the heading is: The Letter of Paul to the Romans.

You know the headings aren't part of Scripture right?

 

[Bob Estey]

Hello @Bob Estey

That is a disappointing response. For obviously Paul was, by his own admission, a servant of God. However, as an Apostle of the risen Christ, he administered what was imparted to Him. If he was speaking on his own authority concerning women speaking in church then he would have said so. His reason for giving that instruction is stated plainly. Comparison of such scriptures as 1 Timothy 2:9-14 and 2 Corinthians 11:1-4, give an insight into why Paul said this about women. It was as much a safeguard for the women themselves, as it was for the church and for truth itself:-

'In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel,
with shamefacedness and sobriety;
not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array;
But (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works.
.. Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
.... But I suffer not a woman to teach,
...... nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
And Adam was not deceived,
but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.'
(1Tim 2:9-)

'Would to God ye could bear with me a little in my folly:
and indeed bear with me.
For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy:
for I have espoused you to one husband,
that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.
.. But I fear, lest by any means,
.... as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty,
...... so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.
For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached,
.. or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received,
.... or another gospel, which ye have not accepted,
...... ye might well bear with him.'
(2 Cor. 11:1-)

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

You cannot elevate apostles to a level with Jesus.

 

[Bob Estey]

No, that is not what that means.

Paul's remark is straightforward. He said women can't speak in churches.

 

[Bob Estey]

You know the headings aren't part of Scripture right?

I just know what my Bible says.

 

[Wrangler]

You cannot elevate apostles to a level with Jesus.

Jesus is on our level. Acts 3:13 explicitly says Jesus is a servant of God, like Paul and like us. Beyond that, Jesus did not teach us to pray to his father but our Father.

 

[Jim B]

Let's start with his first letter. In my Bible, the (old) Revised Standard Version, the heading is: The Letter of Paul to the Romans.

The epistles are arranged by size. Romans is first because it's the largest. Strange but true. BTW, there are Bibles that arrange the "books" and letters chronologically.

 

[Jim B]

The Bible says those letters are by Paul? What chapter? What verse?

Every one of Paul's epistles begins with "Paul, an apostle" or something similar. It was the standard way to begin a letter in those days.

 

[Jim B]

I just know what my Bible says.

Apparently you don't. The headings, chapters, verses, side notes, footnotes are not part of the Bible. They are additions.

 

[reformed1689]

Every one of Paul's epistles begins with "Paul, an apostle" or something similar. It was the standard way to begin a letter in those days.

Right, but remember he will not come out and say Paul's letters are the Bible, so there must be somewhere else the Bible claims it...

 

[reformed1689]

I just know what my Bible says.

So you think the headings in your Bible, which could be different from other Bibles, are Scripture? Then you lose ANY credibility you have.

 

[reformed1689]

Paul's remark is straightforward. He said women can't speak in churches.

Yeah the soup kitchen ministry line is not church. It says church, not ministry. Simple minded...

 

[charity]

You cannot elevate apostles to a level with Jesus.

Hello @Bob Estey,

That has not been attempted.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[Bob Estey]

Jesus is on our level. Acts 3:13 explicitly says Jesus is a servant of God, like Paul and like us. Beyond that, Jesus did not teach us to pray to his father but our Father.

Apostles are not like God.

 

[Bob Estey]

The epistles are arranged by size. Romans is first because it's the largest. Strange but true. BTW, there are Bibles that arrange the "books" and letters chronologically.

Who was it that decided what order the books should be arranged?

 

[Bob Estey]

Apparently you don't. The headings, chapters, verses, side notes, footnotes are not part of the Bible. They are additions.

I just go by what my Bible says.

 

[Bob Estey]

So you think the headings in your Bible, which could be different from other Bibles, are Scripture? Then you lose ANY credibility you have.

I just go by what my Bible says.

I think credibility, or lack thereof, is the product of our success in obeying the Lord's commandments.

 

[Bob Estey]

Yeah the soup kitchen ministry line is not church. It says church, not ministry. Simple minded...

A lot of ministry takes place in the church. If women aren't allowed to talk in a church, it must be about impossible for them to serve.

 

[Bob Estey]

Hello @Bob Estey,

That has not been attempted.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

There are many who believe we must obey apostles as we obey God.

 

[Wrangler]

Apostles are not like God.

I know there is a point in there somewhere related to the OP.