"Do not Look Upon HIS neck chain"

[Giuliano]

let's take this to another thread...this is too far off topic... thanks.

I'm done, really, except to say that in other countries, QAnon takes other forms.

 

[Bobby Jo]

I want to open this up to questions and concerns for any who follow Q and are honestly concerned, or are having a hard time understanding my claims here. There is a danger, and I wish to warn in the Spirit of Love, Not in the desire to debate and create conflict.

OK, let me re-start my conversation, with a different approach:

When satan deceived Eve, he gave her SOME TRUTH, and then a SOME LIE. And so we TOO give some TRUTH and some ERROR, but it's not intentional, it's our best understanding which simply happens to be imperfect. -- And so one is WELL ADVISED to never believe anything anyone says without verification, which includes this cited "Q-Anon".

So when I look at this "Q-Anon" it appears to be much more TRUE than ANYTHING from the Dishonest Media. Now that doesn't mean that they're correct in some of their expectations/assertions, but they ARE WORTH LOOKING AT, just as your OP Video acknowledges in MANY of the cited circumstances.

And at the same time, your own cited OP Video expresses some FALSE Doctrines, so who's calling the kettle "black"?!?

With Best Regards,
Bobby Jo

 

[Acolyte]

Wow, I never thought I'd see this here. I have just started following Qanon. 2 yrs of bible studies and I'm still having trouble with addresses. But, if JFK jr is alive the verse about he who is dead, but is not dead and... my mind goes blank and I can't recall the end. The people will be in awe.
This struck me tonight as I thought of JFKjr stepping out on stage with POTUS. How he swore he would get everyone involved in his father's death. Deep state and all. How he was a threat to HRC, at that time First Lady, making a bid for Gov or Senate of NY.
The pictures of Trump and him together. The handsignals they both used in pictures and television.
Ok, I could go on, but, it's too easy to checkout youself. Discernment should guide you. I have to take a break from it and pray. Q prays alot. I feel no evil from him, on the other hand, that nagging, even the elite can be fooled.
His revelations are true, and the media, and social platforms deny or ignore.
@Bobby Jo maybe Q and Trump are the 2 witnesses?

 

[Bobby Jo]

... maybe Q and Trump are the 2 witnesses?

... and maybe not.

It seems the only thing WE KNOW FOR SURE is the a/c:

• Neron - by butchering Nero's name
  
• Ronald = 6, Wilson = 6, Reagan = 6
• Bill Gates III
• John and Jacqueline Kennedy
• some NOBODY from Australia
• some NOBODY from the Middle East
• some NOBODY from Syria
• some NOBODY from Austria
• etc., etc., etc.

-- and of course I REALLY DO know the name of the a/c, but most are not up to speed.

​

And so I still suspect that if Trump & Pence are DEAD, that Pelosi will be PRESIDENT, and will GLADLY give our U.S. Sovereignty to the U.N. And the timing is correct ...
Bobby Jo

 

[David H.]

OK, let me re-start my conversation, with a different approach:

When satan deceived Eve, he gave her SOME TRUTH, and then a SOME LIE. And so we TOO give some TRUTH and some ERROR, but it's not intentional, it's our best understanding which simply happens to be imperfect. -- And so one is WELL ADVISED to never believe anything anyone says without verification, which includes this cited "Q-Anon".

So when I look at this "Q-Anon" it appears to be much more TRUE than ANYTHING from the Dishonest Media. Now that doesn't mean that they're correct in some of their expectations/assertions, but they ARE WORTH LOOKING AT, just as your OP Video acknowledges in MANY of the cited circumstances.

Thank You,
To err is Human, to forgive is divine. as the old saying goes.
What I am seeing in Q anon that disturbs me is a new age form of eschatology, I do not know if you are familiar with Dave Hunt, He is a fundamentalist apologist who wrote numerous books on the infiltration of New age humanism into the church, via positive confession and word faith teachings. Many in Charismatic circles do like hunt in general and he is a fundamentalist textualist and cessationist. But He saw this one coming and he warned of it in his book, the seduction of Christianity. Let me quote that excerpt for you here and for all who are reading this. Bear in mind this was written in 1985, well before the NAR and Kingdom now teachings were formed as we know them now....

"""""""""""""""
An Emerging Eschatology
The influence of selfist psychology has increasing numbers
of Christians preaching a new gospel. Rather than bringing
conviction of sin, it presents Jesus as a means to fulfilling the
ambition of the Human Potential movement to turn this world
into a paradise through the restoration of everyone's self-esteem.
The heavy concern to rescue our world from ecological disaster
and nuclear destruction is a legitimate one. However, the manner
in which this rescue is to be effected must be biblical. If not,
Christians could find themselves promoting humanistic salvation

Tomorrow the World! • 211

and possibly even cooperating with the forces of Antichrist. If
we are indeed in the end times, then interpretations of eschatology—the Bible's prophetic depictions of the future—will
become increasingly important and controversial in the days
ahead.

There are many groups representing seemingly widely
divergent points of view about whether the world can be saved,
and if so, how. There is one point, however, upon which even
those who seem to be opposed to each other find agreement.
This otherwise-surprising unity is expressed in the growing
opposition from many quarters to the traditional fundamentalist
view that the only hope for this world to be saved from
destruction is miraculous intervention by Jesus Christ.

Increasing numbers of Christian leaders and their followers are
rejecting this view, and at the same time they are also rejecting
the idea that Christians are really citizens of heaven, not of this
world, and that Christ is going to "rapture" His church out of
this world. The whole idea of the rise of Antichrist to rule the
world during a tribulation period, and the rapture of the church,
whether pre-, mid-, or post-trib is falling into disfavor. The
views of many Christians concerning the future of the world are
beginning to have more and more in common with the
humanistic hope that mankind can really "find itself" and on the
basis of a common brotherhood begin to love one another and
live up to our potential of humanness and authentic personhood.
Two factions are now emerging within the church. One side
adheres to the belief that an apostasy is coming for the church in
the last days, and with it a great tribulation and God's judgment
for the world. We are to rescue as many as we can before it is
too late, calling them to citizenship in heaven. On the other side
are those, equally sincere, who see the primary call of the church
as solving social, economic, and political problems. Although
they are also concerned to see souls saved, the conversion of the
masses provides the means for taking over the world for Christ,
taking dominion back from Satan, and thereby establishing the
kingdom in order that Christ might return as king to reign at last.
Within the latter group are two divergent factions whose
goals are beginning to sound more and more alike. Christian
socialists hope for a redistribution that will share what the

212 • The Seduction of Christianity

wealthy have with the poor, while the success-oriented
Christians of the Positive Confession or Faith Movement hope to
make everyone wealthy. From their increasingly isolated corner,
the fundamentalists warn that neither will succeed because the
world is heading for a great tribulation climaxing in the Battle of
Armageddon, which will involve the return of Christ to rescue
Israel, to stop the destruction, and to set up His kingdom. There
is a growing rejection within the church of this fundamentalist
scenario as negative, "gloom-and-doom" eschatology.
""""""""""""""""""""""

Source: http://www.banner.org.uk/media/books/Seduction of Christianity by Dave Hunt.pdf

What QAnon is pushing is just this, and until you understand this then there is a seductive element to this chain which will grab you and you will want to be a part of it, But it is of the antichrist system, and an attempt to tie conservatism into that system. It is Christianity mixed with Humanism, Think of the lines Q is always saying about believing in humanity.... It is a dangerous and seductive path.

 

[dev553344]

I am Unsure where to Post this, but since it has prophetic implications I will post it here.

The Words of this title were audibly spoken to me By The LORD, They were spoken in the language of my ancestry, (I am a first generation American) and were Spoke twice, so that I understood them. The translation Of the verb "look upon" is a word implying envy In that language, and the word neck chain is a direct translation of what you and i would call a necklace, But in that language has the implication of a chain.

This was and is a personal warning to myself in particular and to the church as a whole, as this has real world applications which has taken me some time to fully understand. I think Now I have a grasp of this in its essence and the warning to share it with all who will listen.

This Neck chain is what is known as the Q Anon movement. As much as there is truth being spoken of in these cryptic chain of comments there is also a seductive element that is straight from the Devil, and in fact, I believe this Q Person is none other than the False Prophet spoken of in Revelation 13.

I As a conservative Christian, and most here are easily swayed by this sort of teaching and seduction, and I as a voter of Donald Trump do not believe that he is the antichrist as some have suggested, But this Q person is preparing the way for that person who is the Antichrist to come.

Let me start by saying Evil has two faces, two towers that it rules from, one is overt and obvious in its evil and is known as the "tower of lawlessness" (I take the analogy of towers from Lord of the Rings in case you need help visualizing this), and the other tower is covert and less recognizable as evil as it is guised in moralism and virtue, and is the tower of legalism. This combination of Good and bad, Yin and Yang, and As above so below is the very heart of Luciferianism which seeks to make Lucifer as the benevolent God and Jehovah as the Usurper. It is at the heart of the religion of freemasonry Known as "Dualism", If you are not familiar with this look it up as this is a study unto itself.

What Q is, is a tool to bring in the NAR/Dominionist teaching to the conservative Parties of the west. It is tied into a view of a conservative moral utopia and an ushering in of the seven mountains mandate of the dominionist teachings. It is the church militant, vs. the church set apart. It is the Harlot church as opposed to the Church of the saints.

Often times, I am accused of being a Q Supporter because of my conservatism, or my Anti globalist positions which Trump also advocates. But I think we all need to be wary of this "light side" deception, and the false hope it brings. What Christ Jesus has promised in this world is not glory and prosperity to those who follow him, but rather hardship and trouble mixed with the Joy of eternal treasures.

If You have followed Q, take note of the symbolism they use.
The frog.... And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet. (Rev. 16:13)

The Ouroboros, the serpent dragon eating its own tail, a symbol of rebirth, which is akin to revitalizing the society.... And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born. (Rev. 12:4)

The great awakening, vs. the Woke of the left. Here we see the contrast of the two sides of the yin and yang. The light side and dark side working together in unity to bring about peace. The false unity of ecumenism, the false unity of an earthly Kingdom.

Both parties in American politics represent these two sides, the illusion of choice is a unity of wickedness in large part. Although I see Trump as an "outsider", he is easily swayed and manipulated by these powers in the political world. and though I will likely vote for Him again, I do not think he will remain very Long.... Some have even suggested, and I am not opposed to this idea, that Trump is the "He" that restrains of 2 Thess. 2. and that he will either be defeated in this election or removed from office as we are already seeing, and replaced with another. Is it not funny how Pelosi used the analogy of a quiver full of arrows, which is the very imagery of the "white horse" having a Bow, and went out to conquer.

The Point of all of this, is to warn the church, that the deception comes not from overt Wickedness, But from the side of moralism and peace. In a time of peace and security, sudden destruction comes. Q Anon is building this in conservatism and will evetually lead to the Antichrist to come. DJT is not that Antichrist, But his replacement on the right well could be. One who has global aspirations.

I want to open this up to questions and concerns for any who follow Q and are honestly concerned, or are having a hard time understanding my claims here. There is a danger, and I wish to warn in the Spirit of Love, Not in the desire to debate and create conflict.

If You want more info watch the following video from the 38 minute mark of this video to the 1:38 minute mark of this video.

The problem here is that you didn't present your spiritual experience. You should state what was said by God or what was shown you and then let others help you interpret it. It's been my experience that our first impression of what God says to us or shows us is carnal and usually incorrect.

Can you share what was said or shown and only that so that we might help you interpret. "Do not look upon his neck chain" sounds more like slavery and related to the BLM movement at the moment. Just my opinion.

But yeah you went way off into the deep end with interpretation of the beast and false prophet, which is the same mistake many make, so you're not alone there.

 

[dev553344]

How ironic that you used the analogy of a pendulum swinging....I just shared that same analogy in a PM with a member to illustrate a point I was trying to make.

I like the democrats helping the poor and disabled. Pendulum left. I like the republicans standing up against socialistic implementations. Pendulum right. I think I see your guys points. I would like to see someone strong against socialism and strong for Christianity that is willing to support the needs of the poor and disabled, especially honoring our vets that fought in our wars and now need our help. Anti-school bullying, anti-social media bullying. Will help the GBLT in a Christian and "good physician" scientific approach. Etc.

I don't really know about q-anon so I'll watch the thread also. But it would appear they condemned q-anon but not antifa, which says a lot about our government. I mean really. Condemn a group of anti-deep state believers but not a group of people who have committed acts against the state? What's really going on? As @Giuliano shown in post #10.

 

[Bobby Jo]

Thank You,
...
What QAnon is pushing is just this, and until you understand this then there is a seductive element to this chain which will grab you and you will want to be a part of it, But it is of the antichrist system, and an attempt to tie conservatism into that system. It is Christianity mixed with Humanism, Think of the lines Q is always saying about believing in humanity.... It is a dangerous and seductive path.

I think you misunderstand my "second approach". -- It seems to me that the Dishonest Media tells LIES, but QAnon is presenting NEWS similar to the EPOCH newspaper.

It's similar in some respects where you attempt to present Christian perspectives, but then throw in the FALSE Tribulation-Era-Rapture along with a whole bunch of incorrect extrapolations. Now someone can criticize ANYONE for not being "perfect", or we can glean from each person those aspects which are "wheat" and discard the "chaff".

And such is my position regarding QAnon; your cited Video; your added commentary; and EVERYTHING I hear or read -- with the exception of Scripture!


Bobby Jo

 

[Acolyte]

Link to Q Maps https://qmap.pub/ Link to Qanon.pubqanon.pub

Take a deep breath. This is not a cult, this is more, social justice.
Do I really believe Trump and Q could be the 2 witnesses? NO!
What I believe is they may be the USA's only way to stay out of the NWO...for a short time, but it is inevitable. The bible tells us so.

Now the scientists say its a cult... hmmm. Science is their master, and they gave us covid to close down the world. It's going to get worse. (the vaccine) Thanks Baal Gates. Not!

God bless you all. Keep your faith in our Father and Yahshua. PRAY!!!

 

[dev553344]

Link to Q Maps https://qmap.pub/ Link to Qanon.pubqanon.pub

Take a deep breath. This is not a cult, this is more, social justice.
Do I really believe Trump and Q could be the 2 witnesses? NO!
What I believe is they may be the USA's only way to stay out of the NWO...for a short time, but it is inevitable. The bible tells us so.

Now the scientists say its a cult... hmmm. Science is their master, and they gave us covid to close down the world. It's going to get worse. (the vaccine) Thanks Baal Gates. Not!

God bless you all. Keep your faith in our Father and Yahshua. PRAY!!!

I think you're right. The socialist democratic movement is largely a European system, socialistic healthcare and government control. We have a lot of European control over this country in the economic elite. And even the big tech industries push this agenda on the users. Any economic elite or media famous get called out for not supporting the democratic movement. What this all shows is a push towards a new world order.

I'm new to Qanon but I do think the UN is important, especially in nuclear policing of nations, and war policing.

 

[Bobby Jo]

Link to Q Maps https://qmap.pub/ Link to Qanon.pubqanon.pub

Take a deep breath. This is not a cult, this is more, social justice.
Do I really believe Trump and Q could be the 2 witnesses? NO!
What I believe is they may be the USA's only way to stay out of the NWO...for a short time, but it is inevitable. The bible tells us so.

Now the scientists say its a cult... hmmm. Science is their master, and they gave us covid to close down the world. It's going to get worse. (the vaccine) Thanks Baal Gates. Not!

God bless you all. Keep your faith in our Father and Yahshua. PRAY!!!

AN EXCELLENT POST, which ALL should READ & HEED!


With Best Regards,
Bobby Jo

PS You're correct that it's not Trump & "Q", -- but it IS: Trump & Pence, or so I strongly suspect! And time will tell ...

 

[lforrest]

How ironic that you used the analogy of a pendulum swinging....I just shared that same analogy in a PM with a member to illustrate a point I was trying to make.

I guess I should explain the theory behind the metaphor. It is human nature that when someone pushes you, you push back. That push back will be diametrically opposed to how one is being pressured. People discern only what is being told to them, and they are being fed lies all the time. No one is going to trust anyone in politics.

 

[David H.]

The problem here is that you didn't present your spiritual experience. You should state what was said by God or what was shown you and then let others help you interpret it. It's been my experience that our first impression of what God says to us or shows us is carnal and usually incorrect.

What was said is the title of this post.... this is the Only audible Word from the LORD I have received Though he speaks tome through the Spirit frequently. It is a translation of the language my family spoke at home so the words have a depth of meaning when translated from that language. It was spoken in a whisper, spoken twice, and accompanied by a vision that lasted seconds, which confirmed the authenticity.

I Initially misunderstood the meaning and implication of the message, But came to see the true meaning later, so it is not like I claim to Know it all. I have made errors in my life, and one of those was being a QAnon myself, I fell for the deception, despite the warning given. I am trying to say we are not immune to deception no matter how strong we think our faith is. The Devil is a hundreds of times smarter than we humans are, and the sooner we learn to receive the teaching of the Holy Spirit, the sooner we will be able to see his deception and call it out for what it is. Many in Christian circles are falling for this Humanism, and to deny this is to deny that Satan has Power to deceive. Your faith in your own ability to discern will not be enough.

For those who want scripture for the above, closely read what is said in 2 Peter 2 about false teachers who speak evil of dignities (verses 10-11).

So What was said is "Do not look upon HIS neckchain" and again, the verb look upon denotes envy and the translation of neck lace is literally neck chain from the language the word was received in. A necklace is worn as adornment a chain is used to bind, A deception comes in as an adornment and eventually binds that person. We are seeing that with what is happening to Q followers, they are so bound in this that they cannot receive a warning such as this. Most will say I am "anti Trump", a "Liberal shill", or worse a "son of Satan" I have heard all of these comments and i am none of them. I Believe Trump was chosen by God as a stop gap to make the church ready for what is to come. I Also believe he will be removed from power, and replaced by the Antichrist.

 

[Acolyte]

What was said is the title of this post.... this is the Only audible Word from the LORD I have received Though he speaks tome through the Spirit frequently. It is a translation of the language my family spoke at home so the words have a depth of meaning when translated from that language. It was spoken in a whisper, spoken twice, and accompanied by a vision that lasted seconds, which confirmed the authenticity.

I Initially misunderstood the meaning and implication of the message, But came to see the true meaning later, so it is not like I claim to Know it all. I have made errors in my life, and one of those was being a QAnon myself, I fell for the deception, despite the warning given. I am trying to say we are not immune to deception no matter how strong we think our faith is. The Devil is a hundreds of times smarter than we humans are, and the sooner we learn to receive the teaching of the Holy Spirit, the sooner we will be able to see his deception and call it out for what it is. Many in Christian circles are falling for this Humanism, and to deny this is to deny that Satan has Power to deceive. Your faith in your own ability to discern will not be enough.

For those who want scripture for the above, closely read what is said in 2 Peter 2 about false teachers who speak evil of dignities (verses 10-11).

So What was said is "Do not look upon HIS neckchain" and again, the verb look upon denotes envy and the translation of neck lace is literally neck chain from the language the word was received in. A necklace is worn as adornment a chain is used to bind, A deception comes in as an adornment and eventually binds that person. We are seeing that with what is happening to Q followers, they are so bound in this that they cannot receive a warning such as this. Most will say I am "anti Trump", a "Liberal shill", or worse a "son of Satan" I have heard all of these comments and i am none of them. I Believe Trump was chosen by God as a stop gap to make the church ready for what is to come. I Also believe he will be removed from power, and replaced by the Antichrist.

No true Christian envies anyone. The Lord is my Sheperd, I shall not want.

 

[dev553344]

What was said is the title of this post.... this is the Only audible Word from the LORD I have received Though he speaks tome through the Spirit frequently. It is a translation of the language my family spoke at home so the words have a depth of meaning when translated from that language. It was spoken in a whisper, spoken twice, and accompanied by a vision that lasted seconds, which confirmed the authenticity.

I Initially misunderstood the meaning and implication of the message, But came to see the true meaning later, so it is not like I claim to Know it all. I have made errors in my life, and one of those was being a QAnon myself, I fell for the deception, despite the warning given. I am trying to say we are not immune to deception no matter how strong we think our faith is. The Devil is a hundreds of times smarter than we humans are, and the sooner we learn to receive the teaching of the Holy Spirit, the sooner we will be able to see his deception and call it out for what it is. Many in Christian circles are falling for this Humanism, and to deny this is to deny that Satan has Power to deceive. Your faith in your own ability to discern will not be enough.

For those who want scripture for the above, closely read what is said in 2 Peter 2 about false teachers who speak evil of dignities (verses 10-11).

So What was said is "Do not look upon HIS neckchain" and again, the verb look upon denotes envy and the translation of neck lace is literally neck chain from the language the word was received in. A necklace is worn as adornment a chain is used to bind, A deception comes in as an adornment and eventually binds that person. We are seeing that with what is happening to Q followers, they are so bound in this that they cannot receive a warning such as this. Most will say I am "anti Trump", a "Liberal shill", or worse a "son of Satan" I have heard all of these comments and i am none of them. I Believe Trump was chosen by God as a stop gap to make the church ready for what is to come. I Also believe he will be removed from power, and replaced by the Antichrist.

Thanks for clarifying that. Yes Trump is somewhat pro-Christian orthodox in his system. Although somewhat corrupt. Thanks for leaving Qanon, it is at minimum a conspiracy theory system and probably has some basis in truth, but losely the truth. And since it isn't the whole truth then it isn't really Christian in my oppinion, but I could be wrong as I know too little about it, just a little.

For a while there, when you said "don't look at the neck chain" I was thinking addiction. As there are many analogies of chains to addictions.

Anyways, you're right probably, the first interpretation almost always seems to be the natural man in my case. Thanks for sharing. God be with you!

 

[farouk]

No true Christian envies anyone. The Lord is my Sheperd, I shall not want.

@Acolyte Great Psalm verse there!

 

[lforrest]

Thanks for clarifying that. Yes Trump is somewhat pro-Christian orthodox in his system. Although somewhat corrupt. Thanks for leaving Qanon, it is at minimum a conspiracy theory system and probably has some basis in truth, but losely the truth. And since it isn't the whole truth then it isn't really Christian in my oppinion, but I could be wrong as I know too little about it, just a little.

For a while there, when you said "don't look at the neck chain" I was thinking addiction. As there are many analogies of chains to addictions.

Anyways, you're right probably, the first interpretation almost always seems to be the natural man in my case. Thanks for sharing. God be with you!

If a 'knowing' was given at the same time as the vision that is from God. It's when you have to think about it that your assumptions take over and distort the message.

 

[lforrest]

A disillusioned godless people are still a godless people at the end of the day. Let's not hold our own delusion that the exposure of the evils in the left will lead to everyone turning to God. That we would have a conservative utopia.

 

[dev553344]

If a 'knowing' was given at the same time as the vision that is from God. It's when you have to think about it that your assumptions take over and distort the message.

In the case of Joseph in Egypt, when the Pharaoh received dreams, only God could interpret them, so Joseph had to ask the Lord (Genesis 41:16).

But in his case it was spoken, but the imagery of what was spoken does not sound literal and instead a parable, so I think the same would apply. One must seek the Lord for an interpretation.

 

[lforrest]

In the case of Joseph in Egypt, when the Pharaoh received dreams, only God could interpret them, so Joseph had to ask the Lord (Genesis 41:16).

But in his case it was spoken, but the imagery of what was spoken does not sound literal and instead a parable, so I think the same would apply. One must seek the Lord for an interpretation.

Once I had a dream of Jesus standing before me. He said nothing but I knew that I should not engage in software piracy.

That's the kind of knowing I'm talking about.