Doctrinolatry - tribalism and division in the Body of Christ

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St. SteVen

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That's what JW's do, TWIST nearly every verse in the Christian Bible to change what God said. No surprise you are defending JW's, at all.
What is all this nonsense you are peddling about "the Christian Bible"?
Did it come with a secret decoder ring?

@Aunty Jane has the right to speak her mind in any discussion.
I WANT to understand where she is coming from.

Why don't you want to understand where others are coming from?
Preferring to cast judgment about where you think they are going to.

--- Parody ---

Demon: Welcome to hell.
Resident: What a horrible place.
Demon: Thank you. We do our best.
Resident: Where are you taking me?
Demon: That depends.
Resident: Depends on what?
Demon: Would you prefer smoking, or nonsmoking?
Resident: Are you serious?
Demon: No. You need to get a sense of humor.

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What is all this nonsense you are peddling about "the Christian Bible"?
Did it come with a secret decoder ring?
The Bible claims to be God's written Word. You're calling the Bible nonsense? No surprise whatsoever!
@Aunty Jane has the right to speak her mind in any discussion.
I WANT to understand where she is coming from.
Of course, JW's have the right to choose Hell Fire that Jesus warned us about! Just like you have that right.
Why don't you want to understand where others are coming from?
Preferring to cast judgment about where you think they are going to.
But I do understand why you attack the Bible like Satan! Jesus said there will be BILLIONS of humans burning in Hell FOREVER! Do you really think that's funny?
--- Parody ---

Demon: Welcome to hell.
Resident: What a horrible place.
Demon: Thank you. We do our best.
Resident: Where are you taking me?
Demon: That depends.
Resident: Depends on what?
Demon: Would you prefer smoking, or nonsmoking?
Resident: Are you serious?
Demon: No. You need to get a sense of humor.
You think it's a comedy. If you get a glimpse of THE FIRE you won't be laughing EVER again!

Matthew 13:49-50
49 So it will be at the end of the age. The angels will come forth, separate the wicked from among the just,
50 and cast them into the furnace of fire. There will be SCREAMING and gnashing of teeth.
 

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Matthew 13:49-50
49 So it will be at the end of the age. The angels will come forth, separate the wicked from among the just,
50 and cast them into the furnace of fire. There will be SCREAMING and gnashing of teeth.
I thought you claimed that the Bible is the Word of God.
What is this that you posted above? (with Bible reference)
Have you changed the Word of God to meet your own agenda?
(false prophet) ???

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Chapter and verse please.
1 Thessalonians 2:13
13 When you received the word of God which you heard from us, you welcomed it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, the word of God,
 

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I thought you claimed that the Bible is the Word of God.
You finally got something right stevie.
What is this that you posted above? (with Bible reference)
Already did. lol

Let's try again:

Matthew 13:49-50
49 So it will be at the end of the age. The angels will come forth, separate the wicked from among the just,
50 and cast them into the furnace of fire. There will be SCREAMING and gnashing of teeth.
Have you changed the Word of God to meet your own agenda?
(false prophet) ???
How is quoting the Bible changing it??? This is absolute proof that you reject the Christian Bible! So are you here just to attack the Bible? Is that your main purpose in life, to burn in Hell?
 

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The Bible claims to be God's written Word. You're calling the Bible nonsense? No surprise whatsoever!
St. SteVen said:
Chapter and verse please.
1 Thessalonians 2:13
13 When you received the word of God which you heard from us, you welcomed it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, the word of God,
LOL
Fail.

Let's insert the term "the Bible" to see if your claim holds water.

When you received the Bible which you heard from us, you welcomed it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, the Bible,

Nope, that doesn't work. The Bible wasn't canonized until the 4th century.
The word of God that the Thessalonians received was the spoken word of God, not the written word.

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Matthew 13:49-50
49 So it will be at the end of the age. The angels will come forth, separate the wicked from among the just,
50 and cast them into the furnace of fire. There will be SCREAMING and gnashing of teeth.
Which translation of men is this?
It appears to be a misquote. Obviously the all Caps "SCREAMING" is not in the Bible.

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Which translation of men is this?
It appears to be a misquote. Obviously the all Caps "SCREAMING" is not in the Bible.
Don’t you have to wonder about those who seem to relish the idea of torture and screaming for all eternity as if God has nothing better to do than punish souls eternally for the sake of his enjoyment.....because there is no justice in such a sentence.....nor did any law of God involve torture of any kind.
Such a place could only be invented by the devil...it has his personality written all over it.

Wouldn’t it be ironic if the ones condemning others to this eternal torture chamber, ended up there themselves? :IDK: :ummm: :doldrums:
 
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Wouldn’t it be ironic if the ones condemning others to this eternal torture chamber, ended up there themselves?
I have a theory that EVERYONE will be surprised at where they end up. - LOL
(and where their neighbors end up)

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I have a theory that EVERYONE will be surprised at where they end up. - LOL
(and where their neighbors end up)
I believe that you could be correct....the way God sees and judges is not the way we do....

Those mentioned in Matt 7:21-23 are completely shocked that their “Christianity” would be rejected by the one they claim as their “Lord”.
“I never knew you” will be the last awful words that they will hear.
 
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St. SteVen said:
Chapter and verse please.

LOL
Fail.

Let's insert the term "the Bible" to see if your claim holds water.

When you received the Bible which you heard from us, you welcomed it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, the Bible,

Nope, that doesn't work. The Bible wasn't canonized until the 4th century.
The word of God that the Thessalonians received was the spoken word of God, not the written word.
Wow, gasp, shock, another stevie attack on the Bible. Why are you in a Christian forum. Lost?
 

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Which translation of men is this?
It appears to be a misquote. Obviously the all Caps "SCREAMING" is not in the Bible.
I hope you don't get a glimpse of THE FIRE. It will be too late then.
 

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A follow-up to my Bibliolatry topic.

Doctrine becomes an idol when it is used to support tribalism and cause division in the Body of Christ.

Since doctrinal unity is impossible, allowing others to hold their own doctrinal opinions may be the only way to prevent division.

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That is now how it works. Paul and Barnabas thought the opposite on the matter of Gentiles having to be circumcised to be able to get baptized into the faith. They went to Jerusalem in front of the Governing body= apostles and older men. The governing body carefully prayed on the matter and told them -no they do not have to be circumcised. Both accepted it. There is one truth. Daniel 12:4)1Cor 1:10)
 

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That is now how it works. Paul and Barnabas thought the opposite on the matter of Gentiles having to be circumcised to be able to get baptized into the faith. They went to Jerusalem in front of the Governing body= apostles and older men. The governing body carefully prayed on the matter and told them -no they do not have to be circumcised. Both accepted it. There is one truth. Daniel 12:4)1Cor 1:10)
Where does the Bible say "Governing body"????
 

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I would disagree with God designing and imagining Satan and his fallen as an opposing force as much as God knew it would happen and allowed it to play out His purposes.
God gave all creations=angels- mortals free will. They chose to go down the wrong path and stand in opposition to Gods will. Creation needs to understand its Gods will that is always correct, always for our benefit now and in Gods kingdom. It was the same for Adam and Eve-- God asked them not to do 1 single thing to have, life everlasting, on a paradise Earth( Eden)-- They made a serious error bringing this system upon all creation. Gods kingdom will be the cure all.
 
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Where does the Bible say "Governing body"????
1+1= 2 Paul and Barnabas would not have gone all the way to Jerusalem for nothing. They went in front of the ones taking the lead= the governing body. And the bible says one much be submissive to them, and listen to them just as its listening to Jesus and God. They are these here in these last days=Matt 24:45