I find it much easier to believe the church was off track for 1900 years than to think true Christians entered an unholy alliance with the pagan Roman Empire imitating Rome’s bloodlust in the Inquisitions and Crusades, burning people at the stake for trying to translate and distribute the Bible.
Does God want us to use His name?
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Truth is simply that sir, truth. Clearly you are against Jehovah's witnesses, which of course is fine, your choice. But if you are going to reject one of our teachings, do it with the Bible rather than talking about the Watchtower, which is irrelevant, we are speaking Bible truths, or perhaps we misunderstand it, but you always fall back on the Watchtower. If you believe one of our teachings is in error, then prove it wrong.
There has always been channels to salvation Marks. True Jehovah is the only one who gives life, however Jesus is a savior as well sir, because Jehovah has put him on His throne, and everyone comes through Jesus to get to God. Jesus has assigned a faithful slave to shepherd his sheep, therefore disobedience to them is the same as disobedience to Jesus, which is the same as disobedience to God, believe it or not. So any who reject the channel, simply reject God.
John 17 is a prayer from Jesus to God, either making him a lunatic or as his teachings confirm, the son of God. You stated Jesus is God, I agree with Peter who said Jesus is the son of the living God Mat 16:16
YHWH in English is Jehovah Adonai in English is Lord, Put it to the test Enoch to see if I am correct. As you stated as well in the KJVersion of the Bible. Why do you suppose they chose to substitute God's name for Adonai?
Truth is truth sir, YHWH is in fact used in the original Bible, but since we speak English here, how do translators translate YHWH into English? God's name did not appear in Genesis 1, you were correct by saying Elohim was used, El, translated into English is God, ohim, is plural added to for majesty Curt. The first verse to have Jehovah's name is Gen 2:4
Best believe Jesus sir Jn 14:28. Why do you suppose your chosen version of the Bible chose to word that passage that way?
Sure, we have Scripture, that BY Hebrew Tradition, Gods NAME was TOO HOLY to even be uttered BY Sinful men. WHAT IS Gods NAME?
JAH I AM, Jehovah, Yahweh....etc. ?
We have multiply Descriptions of God Being called by the NAME of His Character....Holy, All Powerful, ALL Knowing, ALL Seeing, etc.
And then JESUS, our Advocate, Sent BY God AS mans “go between”....between (Sinful man Desiring a relationship WITH God)...and thee Heavenly Holy All Powerful, All Knowing, All Seeing Creator and Maker of All things, God Himself.
And THERE is the NAME “JESUS”, that ANY sinful man CAN Utter, and NOT, BE “tongue lashed”, for Uttering Gods HOLY NAME, by a “sinful man”.
Some men can take that at face value....
And Some men spend YEARS, wondering, philosophizing, debating, WHAT IS Gods NAME? <—- IRRELEVANT.
* God certainly KNOWS when a man IS Praying to: the Heavenly Father, the Heavenly God..........WHO that man is Praying TO.
* God certainly KNOWS IF that man is praying MINDFUL Lip Service, (and ignores that man) or IF that man is praying HEARTFUL true Belief, (and hears that man).
* JESUS, “as the SON”; WAS my ADVOCATE to “send my Prayers” to God.
* AFTER “receiving MY offered, and MY Received” Conversion....I no longer PRAY to God, “THROUGH” the Son. I PRAY Directly TO GOD, WHO IS THE Son, MY Holy Heavenly Father.
* As Scripture Details to REMEMBER Jesus, AS THE Son, WHO suffered, ON my Behalf.....JESUS Himself GAVE us a WAY to acknowledge REMEMBERING HIM...
* Jesus sat with His Disciples, Having SUPPER, Eating and Drinking.
* Men MIMICK when they ARE gathered together ... THEY eat, THEY drink IN particular REMEMBRANCE of JESUS.
* Some Men DO THAT ^ on particular scheduled days, times.
I have no issue with that.
* YET, I am of the Belief, It is at ANY TIME, an Individual, with a group or alone....Takes ANYTHING to EAT and DRINK, IS a SUITABLE TIME that individual CAN REMEMBER JESUS’ ... silently in their heart... or orally in speech reflecting the thoughts of their heart.
* AND GOD HIMSELF, KNOWS a persons Heart’s Thoughts.
A human man having a CLOSE RELATIONSHIP with ANYONE, requires continuous CONTACT with the other.
Humans desire CLOSE RELATIONSHIPS...and SO Does God desire the same with His Created and Made, ManKIND of things.
Humans NOTICE their own ongoing CLOSE RELATIONSHIPS...and SO does God....and God WARNS of the Consequences....AND WE can Observe the Consequences.
Humans NOTICE when they or another DRIFT AWAY from their CLOSE RELATIONSHIP.....and SO does God....and God WARNS of the Consequences...AND WE can Observe the Consequences.
AND BTW...Consequences....are the results, which CAN be “favorable” or “awful”.
Glory to God,
Taken
I never thought about this in this way before. What a lovely and TRUE thought. He is the Only Way. We can only approach the Father through the Son, and you have posted the reason we can. I knew it, but I didn't know it. This really brings it home.
Thank you so much for this!! It thrills me!
It is true, and it is in season.
Proverbs 25:11"A word fitly spoken is like apples of gold in pictures of silver."
2 Tim 4:2 "Preach the word; be ready in season and out of season; convict, rebuke, and exhort, with complete patience and instruction."
Praise the Lord, praise the Lord
Let the earth hear His voice
Praise the Lord, praise the Lord
Let the people rejoice
O Come to the Father
Through Jesus the Son
Give Him the glory
Great things He has done
Ronald David Bruno
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That gies against the sovereignty of God, His Perfect Plan ... as if man can derail it, corrupt it to the point of scrapping it. That is not the God I worship. He has everything under control, His Church is right in track with all who are written in the Book of Life up to tiday ha e been saved and accounted for. Man is sinful and corrupt butnGod factors in all oir blunders for His purpose. How else could you believe Romans 8:28? And to think that an Almighty God can only get His truth to 1/900th of the population is delusional. "Narrow is the gate ..."; but not that narrow. No, the remnant is 1/3 and that is about where the Church is today! The gift of faith in Christ is our fundamental belief thay we Christians share; that He died for our sins and rose on the third day. It is also fundamental to know who He is. He is not Michael! He is God. It is also fundamental know the Holy Spirit, be baptized by Him and know that He lives in us and guides us. Calling Him an impersonal force is a dishonor and disgrace to God. The Pharisees blasphemed the Holy Spirit by saying thay Jesus performed miracles by the power of Satan.
The Holy Spirit is all that God is, mind, will, emotions, the essence and power of God, Who loves us, guides, convicts, chastises, corrects, teaches, counsels, leads, teaches all truth, is omniscient, omnipresent and omnipotent, is wise, gives gifts, baptizes us, makes promises, fellowships with us, sanctifues, justifies and edifies us. If you think that is an impersonal force, then you do not have a relationship with Him nor are you aware that He us doing any of those things.
@Cassandra ~ thank you.
Our home studies like to get in-depth with Gods Knowledge. And as always the more we Hear/Read/Search His Word, then pray on those things....THEN by, through, of HIM, His gives us His Understanding.
Some mens dilemma, (even Satans”), hearing, reading, studying His Word, is only half of the equation. Some men, particularly Philosophers, TRY to figure out in their MINDS, Gods Understanding of His Word. It doesn’t work that way, and why you will hear, umpteen bazillion different conclusions....
It is ALWAYS God who gives His Understanding. And when He does on any particular topic....it is a JOY to receive.
Recalling God telling men to do certain things, in a certain way....How did a man know what he was even talking ABOUT, let alone what to do with it?
Because God filled them with the knowledge, wisdom, understanding...of the things He directed them to make and build...workmanship.
(We can pause on that a moment, think about gold, silver, coal, oil, out of the ground, where to find and what to do with those things, plants, what to use them for, food, medicinal purposes, fire, building a shelter, making a wheel etc.
EX 31:
[3] And I have filled him with the spirit of God, in wisdom, and in understanding, and in knowledge, and in all manner of workmanship,
Moving along to Jesus’ Day. Him speaking, teaching, preaching....Mysterious things......How was a man to KNOW His Understanding of that Knowledge?
There it goes back to BELIEF in ones Heart, of Trusting to Believe what He spoke. And....knowing HE gives understanding of His knowledge...and knowing WHY, and to WHOM, and to WHOM...not.
Luke 24:
[45] Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures....
And THAT goes into the dilemma of “Parables”. Jesus spoke to mixed crowds, Jews, Gentiles, believers, unbelievers......with all hearing ONE SAME speech.
An unbeliever will say, eh, Parables, just a story teller, nothing to take to heart.
A believer will say, WOW, My Lord can NOT SPEAK WHAT IS NOT TRUE...WOW, I just gained Knowledge that was hidden from Ancient men.
The Perspective Changes completely when a man is “logically weighing this and that in his MIND”......or a man is “on board with NO “this and that”, but that Gods Word is ABSOLUTE TRUE”, regardless if spoken in a riddle, parable, song, bedtime story....If it comes out of His mouth IT IS TRUE. Period.
In the 40+ express parables Jesus spoke, they ALL give information that was Kept Secret from OT men.
Matt 13:
[35] That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, saying, I will open my mouth in parables; I will utter things which have been kept secret from the foundation of the world.
God Bless,
Taken
Our home studies like to get in-depth with Gods Knowledge. And as always the more we Hear/Read/Search His Word, then pray on those things....THEN by, through, of HIM, His gives us His Understanding.
Some mens dilemma, (even Satans”), hearing, reading, studying His Word, is only half of the equation. Some men, particularly Philosophers, TRY to figure out in their MINDS, Gods Understanding of His Word. It doesn’t work that way, and why you will hear, umpteen bazillion different conclusions....
It is ALWAYS God who gives His Understanding. And when He does on any particular topic....it is a JOY to receive.
Recalling God telling men to do certain things, in a certain way....How did a man know what he was even talking ABOUT, let alone what to do with it?
Because God filled them with the knowledge, wisdom, understanding...of the things He directed them to make and build...workmanship.
(We can pause on that a moment, think about gold, silver, coal, oil, out of the ground, where to find and what to do with those things, plants, what to use them for, food, medicinal purposes, fire, building a shelter, making a wheel etc.
EX 31:
[3] And I have filled him with the spirit of God, in wisdom, and in understanding, and in knowledge, and in all manner of workmanship,
Moving along to Jesus’ Day. Him speaking, teaching, preaching....Mysterious things......How was a man to KNOW His Understanding of that Knowledge?
There it goes back to BELIEF in ones Heart, of Trusting to Believe what He spoke. And....knowing HE gives understanding of His knowledge...and knowing WHY, and to WHOM, and to WHOM...not.
Luke 24:
[45] Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures....
And THAT goes into the dilemma of “Parables”. Jesus spoke to mixed crowds, Jews, Gentiles, believers, unbelievers......with all hearing ONE SAME speech.
An unbeliever will say, eh, Parables, just a story teller, nothing to take to heart.
A believer will say, WOW, My Lord can NOT SPEAK WHAT IS NOT TRUE...WOW, I just gained Knowledge that was hidden from Ancient men.
The Perspective Changes completely when a man is “logically weighing this and that in his MIND”......or a man is “on board with NO “this and that”, but that Gods Word is ABSOLUTE TRUE”, regardless if spoken in a riddle, parable, song, bedtime story....If it comes out of His mouth IT IS TRUE. Period.
In the 40+ express parables Jesus spoke, they ALL give information that was Kept Secret from OT men.
Matt 13:
[35] That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, saying, I will open my mouth in parables; I will utter things which have been kept secret from the foundation of the world.
God Bless,
Taken
Ronald David Bruno
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I have a bunch of JW's in my family whom I love and they love me as well. I am not against them. We just have gone the gamut, hit the wall or so to speak and realize we can't really argue our differences anymore since there is no resolve, so we just live and love. Believe me, I have had Elders visit me whom got frustrated and pretty much lost the argument. I have the Holy Spirit and the real Jesus with me to assist. I'm respectful to them, but do not hold anything back.
Emmm, that would be great if you actually believed that: "The Watchtower is irrelevant concerning Bible truths"? Would you care to make that statement during your next meeting with your congregation? Lol
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op: Does God want us to "use His Name"?
Precious friend(s), Either we "Confess JESUS CHRIST Is LORD" in this
life, Before death, OR: we WILL do so ↑ ↑ ↑ ↑ ↑ ↑ ↑ ↑ ↑ ↑ ↑ in the Next life!:
Rom_14:11 "For It Is Written, As I live, saith The LORD, every
knee Shall bow to ME, and every tongue Shall confess To God."
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Php 2:8 "And being found in fashion as A Man, He humbled Himself,
and became obedient unto death, even the Death of the Cross.
Php 2:9 Wherefore God Also Hath Highly Exalted Him, and
Given HIM A NAME Which Is ABOVE every name:
Php 2:10 That At The NAME Of JESUS every knee should bow,
of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
Php 2:11 And that every tongue should confess that:
JESUS CHRIST Is LORD, To The Glory Of God The Father!"
Conclusion: EVERY tongue Will "use HIS NAME!!" Amen?
GRACE and Peace...
Precious friend(s), Either we "Confess JESUS CHRIST Is LORD" in this
life, Before death, OR: we WILL do so ↑ ↑ ↑ ↑ ↑ ↑ ↑ ↑ ↑ ↑ ↑ in the Next life!:
Rom_14:11 "For It Is Written, As I live, saith The LORD, every
knee Shall bow to ME, and every tongue Shall confess To God."
+
Php 2:8 "And being found in fashion as A Man, He humbled Himself,
and became obedient unto death, even the Death of the Cross.
Php 2:9 Wherefore God Also Hath Highly Exalted Him, and
Given HIM A NAME Which Is ABOVE every name:
Php 2:10 That At The NAME Of JESUS every knee should bow,
of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
Php 2:11 And that every tongue should confess that:
JESUS CHRIST Is LORD, To The Glory Of God The Father!"
Conclusion: EVERY tongue Will "use HIS NAME!!" Amen?
GRACE and Peace...
Ronald David Bruno
Well-Known Member
Actually your whole post was good, I agree with it. But let me add to your list one particular commandment, to see if this also falls within your perspective. When God said, "thou shalt not murder", what would be the truth concerning the unborn fetus?
What would Jesus say if a pregnant woman came to Him and asked to kill the fetus inside her because she did not want it. Would He put His hand on her stomach and stop its little heart from beating and say, "It is done as you wish"?
Just a yes or no will do ... your perspective.
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Isn't the Watchtower a missionary tool?If the teachings of the Watchtower are not ok to discuss the truths of the Witnesses, then why do you pass them out? You should be passing out your Bibles then.
So God’s perfect plan was to have his church ally itself with Rome, adopt pagan beliefs and practices, commit some of the worst atrocities in history in the Inquisitions and Crusades, torture and burn at the stake men who were trying to translate and distribute the Bible to common people etc. Jesus said his disciples would be recognized by their fruitage. He also said that few would find the road to life.
That true Christianity would be over sown with weeds by Satan was made clear by Jesus and the apostles.
Ronald David Bruno
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Is that all you can think of? Factor in all evil that has ever been committed. He allowed it.
He causes all things to work together for good. We learn from evil what good is. We could not know ir appreciate what good is unless we went without it, experienced its opposite. Could we understand and value mercy, forgiveness, healing, joy, peace, love or faith and all the attributes of God unless we experienced evil.
Remember, the knowledge of good came with the knowledge of evil. It was thw Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil that they ate of. God put it there and also allowed Satan in the Garden with them, knowing what He would do. It was all part of His perfect plan. People often present it as something that shouldn't have happened, a mistake. You know yourself, kids don't appreciate things until they go without them. When we are down, defeated, impoverished,
or depressed, surrounded by evil, then God's grace comes along and lifts us out and gives us mercy, love, provisions, then we know and appreciate it.
Personally, I do not BELIEVE and INDIVIDUAL is an INDIVIDUAL “until they ARE BORN, and separated from the life of the female they DEPEND on.”
And further something Can not Die Before it is BORN.
That is not to say, the DEVELOPING “thing”, does not HAVE Life supporting it’s development.
The WHOLE of Adams Body was FORMED, before it received LIFE from God, blown in Adams nostrils.
Developing fetus’ do not breath,
Their exiting the womb, separation from their Life support mother, being called BORN alive, IMO is when THEIR independent life begins.
A yes or no doesn’t suffice.
Ask and you shall receive? Cause her to miscarry? Probably not. Allow that born babe to be steered AWAY from that woman? Steer that child toward another woman who loves and cares about that child? Perhaps. And the female would get what she wanted, and the child would get what it needed.
I am not a proponent of Abortions. I do not advocate For them or support with stance or money to further their agenda. But I also do not spend a great deal of time telling others what they can and can not do. Liberty IS about choice, and the individual deal with the consequences of the Choice.
As far as Laws, I don’t believe reproduction is the business of the Government, along with many other things they stick their nose in.
Murder? No I do not believe murder is possible for something that is not born alive.
Killing? Yes sucking a developing babe out of the woman of a woman is killing it.
Ronald David Bruno
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You can't force someone to love you. You must give them a choice and it has to come willingly. That is a risk worth taking. Not giving man a choice is then making us blissful, smiling idiots, spoiled kids, walking around having no real value, no morality, no understanding of what they possess ... tip toeing through the tulips ... la tee da.
I am thankful for knowing evil, living without and knowing sin and death so that I can know forgiveness and life. Why would we have a need for God if everything was hunky dory?
We need Him, we love Him and appreciate Him because of where we came from.
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