Does Grace replace the law?

[Gray_Joy]

You reject the Master in favour of the pupil?

That's a unique question.

I don't see where @PeterAndroz has answered it as yet.

Also, is it me, or did the prayer hands like emoji disappear?

 

[PeterAndroz]

That's a unique question.

I don't see where @PeterAndroz has answered it as yet.

Also, is it me, or did the prayer hands like emoji disappear?

The Master selected the pupil to teach Salvation to us today
Acts 9:15, Rom 11:13, Rom 15:16, Gal 2:7-9, 1 Tim 1:16
Use your praying to help you to learn :)

 

[Brakelite]

The Master selected the pupil to teach Salvation to us today
Acts 9:15, Rom 11:13, Rom 15:16, Gal 2:7-9, 1 Tim 1:16
Use your praying to help you to learn :)

I don't disagree with the above. I would add however that the verses I posted reveal that God, through the only Mediator His Son, since Adam desired to save the whole human race, before there was any designation of Jew and Gentile. Jesus never hesitated on ministering truth and power to non Jewish people. Your inference that Paul, because he was appointed a certain task, taught a Gospel different to what scripture taught from Genesis, is incorrect.

 

[Brakelite]

That's a unique question.

I don't see where @PeterAndroz has answered it as yet.

Also, is it me, or did the prayer hands like emoji disappear?

Yep. Disappeared. Guess we'll have to pray with our heart and mind and mouth instead. For some that could be a novel suggestion.

 

[PeterAndroz]

I don't disagree with the above. I would add however that the verses I posted reveal that God, through the only Mediator His Son, since Adam desired to save the whole human race, before there was any designation of Jew and Gentile. Jesus never hesitated on ministering truth and power to non Jewish people. Your inference that Paul, because he was appointed a certain task, taught a Gospel different to what scripture taught from Genesis, is incorrect.

Were Adam & Eve saved & sealed with the HS Eph 1:13 by trusting the 1 Cor 15:1-4 Gospel as taught to Paul by only Christ Gal 1:11-12 ?

 

[Jack]

Does Grace replace the law?​

The Law was ONLY for Israel, NOBODY else. There's lots of Law preachers but I don't know even one who obeys The Law!

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Does Grace replace the law?​

The Law was ONLY for Israel, NOBODY else. There's lots of Law preachers but I don't know even one who obeys The Law!

There was one. His Name was Jesus.

everyone else failed. Me included

 

[Jack]

There was one. His Name was Jesus.

everyone else failed. Me included

And He gave us the New Covenant with His Blood.

Hebrews 8:13
13 In that He says, "A new covenant," He has made the first obsolete.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

And He gave us the New Covenant with His Blood.

Hebrews 8:13
13 In that He says, "A new covenant," He has made the first obsolete.

Yes,

The Old covenent condemned. the new covenant saves.

 

[LoveYeshua]

Paul first teaches what is required to be saved & sealed
Where does Paul teach that ONCE sealed a believer can become UNsealed ?
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Who did Christ select as the Apostle & Minister to the Gentiles ?
Acts 9:15
But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, ...
Rom 11:13
For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles...
Rom 15:16
That I should be the minister of Jesus Christ to the Gentiles, ministering the gospel of God...
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The other Apostles agreed & knew who taught who
Gal 2:2
And I went up by revelation, and communicated unto them that gospel which I preach among the Gentiles,....
Gal 2:7
But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter;
Gal 2:9
And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we should go unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision.
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What is the role of an Apostle/Minister ?
To teach THEIR audience.
BUT NOW there are NO SEPARATE audiences ALL are equal :-
Gal 3:28
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
Gal 6:15
For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature.
1 Cor 12:13
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
Col 3:11
Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all.
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How are believers 'today' saved, sealed, justified, made righteous ?
By the SAVING Gospel that applies today.
Gal 1:11-12
11But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.
12For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.
1 Cor 15:1-4
1Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
2By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
3For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
4And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
Eph 1:13
13In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
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The PERFORMANCE conditions :-
Titus 3:
5Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
Gal 2:
16Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
Rom 3:
28Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.
Eph 2:
8For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9Not of works, lest any man should boast.
Rom 4:
5But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
Rom 5:
1Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:
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Your 'deeds'/works/behavior/performance only decide your eternal rewards/loss
Rom 14:10
10But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.
1 Cor 3:10-15
10According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon.
11For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.
12Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;
13Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.
14If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.
2 Cor 5:10
10For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.

You quote Paul selectively and leave out both Jesus' warnings and Paul's own warnings. you also treats Paul's teaching as if it exists independently from Christ, when Paul repeatedly says that he teaches what he received from Jesus Christ.

Jesus never taught that a person can live however they want after believing and still be guaranteed eternal life.

Jesus said: "If ye love me, keep my commandments." (John 14:15)
"He that endureth to the end, the same shall be saved." (Matthew 24:13)
"Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven." (Matthew 7:21)
"If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered." (John 15:6)

Notice that Jesus is speaking to people who are already connected to Him. A branch cannot be cut off unless it was first attached. Paul does not contradict this. In fact, Paul teaches the same thing.

You quoted Ephesians 1:13 about being sealed with the Holy Spirit but ignores other passages from Paul.

Paul writes:"And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption." (Ephesians 4:30)
Why warn believers not to grieve the Spirit if their future conduct cannot affect their relationship with God?

Paul also says:"Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers... shall inherit the kingdom of God." (1 Corinthians 6:9-10)

Paul is writing to believers. If inheritance of the kingdom is guaranteed regardless of conduct, why give this warning?

Again Paul says: "For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live."(Romans 8:13) Notice that Paul does not say unbelievers will die. He says "ye", speaking to Christians.

you also quoted 1 Corinthians 3 about rewards, but leaves out places where Paul warns believers about losing salvation itself.

For esample:
"Thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear: For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee." (Romans 11:20-21)

A few verses later Paul says:
"Otherwise thou also shalt be cut off." (Romans 11:22) Being cut off is far more serious than merely losing rewards.

Paul also warns: "Ye are severed from Christ, ye who would be justified by the law; ye are fallen away from grace." (Galatians 5:4 ASV) If it is impossible to fall from grace, why would Paul say that some have done exactly that?

The same Paul writes: "I keep under my body, and bring it into bondage: lest by any means, after that I have preached to others, I myself should be rejected." (1 Corinthians 9:27 ASV) If Paul himself saw a need to remain faithful, why should believers think there is no danger?

Even in the passage you quoted, 1 Corinthians 15:1-2, Paul says: "By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain." The words "if" and "in vain" are often ignored.

Most importantly, Paul never presents a gospel different from Christ's gospel.
Paul preached: "For we preach not ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord." (2 Corinthians 4:5)

Paul said: "Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ." (1 Corinthians 11:1)

Paul did not replace Jesus. Paul pointed people to Jesus.

And what did Jesus say eternal life requires?

"If thou wouldest enter into life, keep the commandments." (Matthew 19:17 ASV)
"If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love." (John 15:10)
"He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me." (John 14:21)

The Bible does not teach salvation by earning righteousness through works of law. Neither Jesus nor Paul taught that.

But neither Jesus nor Paul taught that obedience becomes irrelevant after faith.

The consistent message of Christ, His apostles, and even Paul himself is that we are saved by God's grace through faith in Christ, and that genuine faith produces obedience. A faith that refuses to obey Christ is not the faith Jesus described, because Jesus repeatedly taught that those who belong to Him hear His voice, follow Him, remain in Him, and endure to the end. Paul's teachings should therefore be read through the words of Christ, not separated from them, because Paul was a servant of Jesus and not a replacement for Jesus.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

You quote Paul selectively and leave out both Jesus' warnings and Paul's own warnings. you also treats Paul's teaching as if it exists independently from Christ, when Paul repeatedly says that he teaches what he received from Jesus Christ.

Jesus never taught that a person can live however they want after believing and still be guaranteed eternal life.

Your right, Jesus and the apostles taught to come to him, and he will give you rest. To come to him and he will change you. Come to him and he will Give us eternal life.

John makes it clear, Whoever has been born of God can not live in sin. so why would we claim that anyone could be born again, anyone would be made intoa new creature. anyone who was given the HS could live in sin?

This thinking does not make sense to me.

Did God change us, or did he not is the question?

John 1: 12. But AS MANY AS HAVE RECIEVED HIM, to THEM he gave the right to become children, even TO THEM WHO BELIEVE (no works)

John 3, FOR God so loved the world he gave his only son that WHOEVER BELIEVES (trusts) in him will NEVER PERISH, and LIVE FOREVER (eternal life) for the son was not sent to judge, but that the world might be saved, he who BELIEVES is NOT CONDEMNED, he who does not believe is condemned already (no works)

John 4: 13 Jesus answered and said to her, “Whoever drinks of this water will thirst again, 14 but whoever drinks of the water that I shall give him will NEVER THIRST. But the water that I shall give him will become in him a fountain of water springing up into EVERLASTING LIFE” (no works)

John 5: 24 “Most assuredly, I say to you, he whoever HEARS MY WORD and BELIEVES IN HIM WHO SENT ME who sent Me HAS ETERNAL LIFE and SHALL NOT COME INTO JUDGMENT but HAS PASSED FROM DEATH TO LIFE (No works)

John 6: 35 And Jesus said to them, “I am the bread of life. HE WHO COMES TO ME shall NEVER HUNGER and he who BELIEVES IN ME shall NEVER THIRST (NO WORKS)

John 6: 37: and THE ONE WHO COMES TO ME I WILL BY NO MEANS CAST OUT 38 For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me. 39 This is the will of the Father who sent Me, thatof all He has given Me I SHAL LOSE NOTHING, but SHOULD RAISE IT UP ON THE LAST DAY. 40 And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that EVERYONE WHO SEES AND BELIEVES IN HIM MAY HAVE EVERLASTING LIFE AND I WILL (NOT MIGHT) RAISE HIM ON THE LAST DAY (NO WORKS)

John 6: 47 Most assuredly, I say to you, HE WHO BELIEVES IN ME HAS EVERLASTING LIFE. 48 I am the bread of life. 49 Your fathers ate the manna in the wilderness, and are dead. 50 This is the bread which comes down from heaven, that THAT ONE MAY EAT OF IT AND NOT DIE 51 am the living bread which came down from heaven. IF ANYONE EATS THIS BREAD HE WILL LIVE FOREVER (NO WORKS)

John 6: 63 It is the SPIRIT WHO GIVES LIFE ; the flesh profits nothing. THE WORDS THAT I SPEAK to you ARE SPIRIT AND THEY ARE LIFE (SIGNIFYING THE BREAD FROM HEAVEN, THE FLESH AND BOOD ARE THE WORDS JESUS SPOKE. NOT THE PHYSICAL FOOD OR WORKS,)

I think we need to be careful when reading the word. and determine what passages are describing a child of God. and what passages (like the ones above) are prescribing what must be done to become a child of God

 

[Brakelite]

Were Adam & Eve saved & sealed with the HS Eph 1:13 by trusting the 1 Cor 15:1-4 Gospel as taught to Paul by only Christ Gal 1:11-12 ?

Was Moses? Enoch? Elijah? Noah????